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itsneverbeenmoreove

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I was just wondering if anyone here was recommended reading about pro-mortalism. I was hoping people might have recommendations on papers, books, philosophers, etc who have written about pro-mortalism. I'm less interested in anti-natalism stuff as I already exist and have to accept that. But I am interested in learning more about the underpinnings of pro-choice. Because while intuitively I agree with a lot of the positions expressed about it here, I am interested in having a firmer grasp.

So if anyone has any resources, that would be greatly appreciated!
 
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It's more of an extension of anti-natalism from what I've seen, but have you heard of Efilism?
 
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check out the archives on ashspace! its an early 2000s site with the values you're looking for. sadly its not active anymore but there are archived pages and i think some articles are worth checking out. got nice poetry too!
 
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Ever deeper honesty book free to download.


Thomas liggotti book. "Conspiracy against the human race"


 
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I think Philipp Mainländer and his book "The Philosophy of Redemption or The Philosophy of Salvation".
 
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Ema Sullivan‑Bissett's papers "Better No Longer to Be: The Harm of Continued Existence" and "Better to Return Whence We Came". Jiwoon Hwang's paper "Why it is Always Better to Cease to Exist".
 
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Thomas Ligotti - The Conspiracy Against the Human Race
 
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LaughingGoat

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Another callout for The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, great book.

David Benatar - The Human Predicament

Peter Singer - Rethinking Life and Death: The Collapse of Our Traditional Ethics

Emil Cioran - The Trouble With Being Born

Writings by Arthur Schopenhauer and Philipp Mainlander (who committed suicide so he has some credibility there)
 
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You mentioned being interested both in pro-choice and pro-mortalism, as if they are similar. To me they are very different - pro-choice being about personal autonomy under the assumption that for some people, death might be a better option. Pro-mortalism would be that death is the better option for everybody. ( is that correct? )

I could be wrong, but I don't see sanction suicide and similar forums as being pro-mortalist, even though some individuals might hold that view. Rather I view them as pro-choice.

The previous replies were mostly about pro-mortalist books.
If you want pro-choice writings, maybe try the following. I have read most of these long ago, but I don't remember much about them to provide a further assessment.

Psychology and Psychiatry
* Rational Suicide, Implications for Mental Health Professional - James L. Werth Jr.
* Suicide Prohibition, The Shame of Medicine - Thomas Szasz

Philosophy
* Essays on Suicide and Immortality of the Soul - David Hume
* ASH FAQ part 4/4: The Debate
 
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You mentioned being interested both in pro-choice and pro-mortalism, as if they are similar. To me they are very different - pro-choice being about personal autonomy under the assumption that for some people, death might be a better option. Pro-mortalism would be that death is the better option for everybody. ( is that correct? )

I could be wrong, but I don't see sanction suicide and similar forums as being pro-mortalist, even though some individuals might hold that view. Rather I view them as pro-choice.

The previous replies were mostly about pro-mortalist books.
If you want pro-choice writings, maybe try the following. I have read most of these long ago, but I don't remember much about them to provide a further assessment.

Psychology and Psychiatry
* Rational Suicide, Implications for Mental Health Professional - James L. Werth Jr.
* Suicide Prohibition, The Shame of Medicine - Thomas Szasz

Philosophy
* Essays on Suicide and Immortality of the Soul - David Hume
* ASH FAQ part 4/4: The Debate
I would also add to this list the lecture given by philosopher of Yale university, Shelley Kagan about the rationality of suicide. It is on YouTube.
 
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@FuneralCry
 
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Ema Sullivan‑Bissett's papers "Better No Longer to Be: The Harm of Continued Existence" and "Better to Return Whence We Came". Jiwoon Hwang's paper "Why it is Always Better to Cease to Exist".
Not OP but thanks for sharing, reading Better No Longer to Be now.
 
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NikWild

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I was just wondering if anyone here was recommended reading about pro-mortalism. I was hoping people might have recommendations on papers, books, philosophers, etc who have written about pro-mortalism. I'm less interested in anti-natalism stuff as I already exist and have to accept that. But I am interested in learning more about the underpinnings of pro-choice. Because while intuitively I agree with a lot of the positions expressed about it here, I am interested in having a firmer grasp.

So if anyone has any resources, that would be greatly appreciated!
Obviously Schopenhauer, well, I think you've already read it
 
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itsneverbeenmoreove

itsneverbeenmoreove

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May 21, 2024
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Just want to thank everyone for their suggestions, it's very appreciated.
 

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