pro lifers among us ඞ

[ge0rge]

does anyone here dwell in the assumption that we have covert (and i think this is important, that they are covert) pro lifers here on the forum?

i mean, i can obviously and safely assume freelifexit is one, the way he's building his personality on combating SN (also, dead poets society like fuck off). but i ve also seen a number of people who generally seem to sow doubt and fear when it comes to relatively effective methods. they could be normal, healthily fearful people, but i can t escape the nagging feeling that they re underground vigilantes trying to score good morality points a la Fable

 

[makethepainstop]

I always urge not caution but study of the methods used for the desired end.
I can promise you I know too damn well, what happens when you fail in an attempt.
Psyc hospitals suck, and so do do-gooders who want you to take happy pills, you know those pills that do not change the conditions that brought you to this point.
Giving someone happy pills does NOT suddenly get them out of debt, or give you friends, or a boy or girlfriend either. Nor will the aforementioned happy pills fix health issues a patient might be suffering. So I don't tell people NOT to ctb, but to do it correctly to avoid most unpleasant consequences.

 

[iltloml]

does anyone here dwell in the assumption that we have covert (and i think this is important, that they are covert) pro lifers here on the forum?

i mean, i can obviously and safely assume freelifexit is one, the way he's building his personality on combating SN (also, dead poets society like fuck off). but i ve also seen a number of people who generally seem to sow doubt and fear when it comes to relatively effective methods. they could be normal, healthily fearful people, but i can t escape the nagging feeling that they re underground vigilantes trying to score good morality points a la Fable

I do feel like there is a lot of fear mongering going around here. They definitely put some scare in me with SN.

My favorite is when they say that jumping from crazy heights is not a for sure way because somebody survived a plane crash from 20000 feet. It's that we know nothing in life is 100%. But at the end of the day we do know that you have a higher chance of winning the power ball than surviving a fall from extraordinary heights.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Maybe you're right- I suspect both law enforcement and the odd pro-life group does have it's eye on the forum. Still, I don't think it's unreasonable for even the ctb minded to show concern over a method. When you consider that (apparently) there are 25 ctb attempts for every 1 success, it's not a straight forward thing- obviously- we're all still here. Plus, the consequences of failing some methods can be terrible.

Think the difficulty comes when members ask- 'Will this fall/knife/medication definitely kill me?' Or- 'Which is more likely to kill me?' Problem being that there are huge numbers of variables with any attempt. It doesn't feel all that responsible to say- absolutely definitely- it will work.

I wouldn't have thought people could survive a jump from the Golden Gate bridge but they have. Also thought a gunshot wound to the head would do the job but that CAN go wrong. All I guess we can do is refer to the megathreads as to the best chances of success for each method.

Obviously, the majority of us are worried about our chosen method and I suspect come here to build confidence on it working. Still, seeing as I doubt that many of us are experts or have access to all the data, it's not easy to give the answer the person wants to hear- 'You don't need to worry- this will 100% work.'

 

[Mofreeko]

I just ignore all the annoying and/or obviously pro life accounts on here.

 

[Hollowillow]

does anyone here dwell in the assumption that we have covert (and i think this is important, that they are covert) pro lifers here on the forum?

i mean, i can obviously and safely assume freelifexit is one, the way he's building his personality on combating SN (also, dead poets society like fuck off). but i ve also seen a number of people who generally seem to sow doubt and fear when it comes to relatively effective methods. they could be normal, healthily fearful people, but i can t escape the nagging feeling that they re underground vigilantes trying to score good morality points a la Fable

Not me I'm pro murder! *Throws a knife at your head* that one was out of love. Your avatar and quote are hilarious.

@freelifexit is not a pro lifer. He's a pro rope like me, he's been giving me advice about how to hang myself like Robin Williams, his avatar. We are both really weary of drugs because they have the lowest chances if success. He's a negative prophet, digging worst case scenarios to warn us of potential dangers.

I agree with him that the benefits of SN might have been overly glorified while it's down side too minimized. He thinks that people should be properly informed. He brought information to my attention that I didn't hear before but could easily verify as true, even in the tutorial the warning us there... But ut was never mentionned in discussions in the forum until he brought it up, and was shunned for it with undeserved anger.

It is possible that he is going into the other extreme and putting too much focus on minimal risk. But if the risk is there, I need to know. It'd be traumatizing to find out the hard way while dying, panic & call for help.

Negative prophets gives us gifts of dark knowledge. He is absolutely one of us.

But he's in the rope club. Not the SN club. I am slowly being seduced by SN. But if ut can go wrong, I need to know to brace myself & prepare.

He is my friend and I don't have any doubt at all that he's pro choice.

I am pro murder but I posted pro life stuff because the person asked for ways to live.

We all have our pro lufe moments. It's hard to let friends go.

I'm sorry that he hurt your feelings by ruinning your SN party with potential down sides... But he definitively respect your right to ctb.

I'm a party pooper too. So I understand him. He just wants to make sure you'll have a safe passing, in his own super rational calculated way.

I respect my inner paranoia warning me of dangers. I deeply respect another person who warned me that full suspention can paralyze & mute me. I chose partial to avoid breaking my neck... and maybe SN.

I need this grim realistic negativity. I need a friend like him. Because I am too. And being missunderstood by pro positivity people hurts.

Unprepared wishful thinking could gave paralyzed me. Being a party pooper is a precious gift.

I just ignore all the annoying and/or obviously pro life accounts on here.

I never saw one. I'm only annoyed by the pro psychiatry. The most cruel & deshumanizing incompetent psychopaths I've ever seen.

 

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Not me I'm pro murder! *Throws a knife at your head* that one was out of love. Your avatar and quote are hilarious.

@freelifexit is not a pro lifer. He's a pro rope like me, he's been giving me advice about how to hang myself like Robin Williams, his avatar. We are both really weary of drugs because they have the lowest chances if success. He's a negative prophet, digging worst case scenarios to warn us of potential dangers.

I agree with him that the benefits of SN might have been overly glorified while it's down side too minimized. He thinks that people should be properly informed. He brought information to my attention that I didn't hear before but could easily verify as true, even in the tutorial the warning us there... But ut was never mentionned in discussions in the forum until he brought it up, and was shunned for it with undeserved anger.

It is possible that he is going into the other extreme and putting too much focus on minimal risk. But if the risk is there, I need to know. It'd be traumatizing to find out the hard way while dying, panic & call for help.

Negative prophets gives us gifts of dark knowledge. He is absolutely one of us.

But he's in the rope club. Not the SN club. I am slowly being seduced by SN. But if ut can go wrong, I need to know to brace myself & prepare.

He is my friend and I don't have any doubt at all that he's pro choice.

I am pro murder but I posted pro life stuff because the person asked for ways to live.

We all have our pro lufe moments. It's hard to let friends go.

I'm sorry that he hurt your feelings by ruinning your SN party with potential down sides... But he definitively respect your right to ctb.

I'm a party pooper too. So I understand him. He just wants to make sure you'll have a safe passing, in his own super rational calculated way.

I respect my inner paranoia warning me of dangers. I deeply respect another person who warned me that full suspention can paralyze & mute me. I chose partial to avoid breaking my neck... and maybe SN.

I need this grim realistic negativity. I need a friend like him. Because I am too. And being missunderstood by pro positivity people hurts.

Unprepared wishful thinking could gave paralyzed me. Being a party pooper is a precious gift.

I never saw one. I'm only annoyed by the pro psychiatry. The most cruel & deshumanizing incompetent psychopaths I've ever seen.

Ah.. Mind sharing exactly what he brought up to you?

 

[Hollowillow]

Ah.. Mind sharing exactly what he brought up to you?

I don't remember well, but he tried to explain how Robin Williams manage to tie a belt to a door... But my dumb self never understood... He wear the face of a guy who died of suicide. Pro lifers would never. They'd wear smileys or something.

 

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I'm just curious how you would know what benefits of SN might have been over glorified while it's downside to minimalize if you haven't even done that research being that you've been asking questions in the past week or two that would have otherwise been answered if you were doing the research?

I don't remember well, but he tried to explain how Robin Williams manage to tie a belt to a door... But my dumb self never understood... He wear the face of a guy who died of suicide. Pro lifers would never. They'd wear smileys or something.

I'm actually asking in regards to SN not the hanging. You're not dumb.

Not me I'm pro murder! *Throws a knife at your head* that one was out of love. Your avatar and quote are hilarious.

@freelifexit is not a pro lifer. He's a pro rope like me, he's been giving me advice about how to hang myself like Robin Williams, his avatar. We are both really weary of drugs because they have the lowest chances if success. He's a negative prophet, digging worst case scenarios to warn us of potential dangers.

I agree with him that the benefits of SN might have been overly glorified while it's down side too minimized. He thinks that people should be properly informed. He brought information to my attention that I didn't hear before but could easily verify as true, even in the tutorial the warning us there... But ut was never mentionned in discussions in the forum until he brought it up, and was shunned for it with undeserved anger.

It is possible that he is going into the other extreme and putting too much focus on minimal risk. But if the risk is there, I need to know. It'd be traumatizing to find out the hard way while dying, panic & call for help.

Negative prophets gives us gifts of dark knowledge. He is absolutely one of us.

But he's in the rope club. Not the SN club. I am slowly being seduced by SN. But if ut can go wrong, I need to know to brace myself & prepare.

He is my friend and I don't have any doubt at all that he's pro choice.

I am pro murder but I posted pro life stuff because the person asked for ways to live.

We all have our pro lufe moments. It's hard to let friends go.

I'm sorry that he hurt your feelings by ruinning your SN party with potential down sides... But he definitively respect your right to ctb.

I'm a party pooper too. So I understand him. He just wants to make sure you'll have a safe passing, in his own super rational calculated way.

I respect my inner paranoia warning me of dangers. I deeply respect another person who warned me that full suspention can paralyze & mute me. I chose partial to avoid breaking my neck... and maybe SN.

I need this grim realistic negativity. I need a friend like him. Because I am too. And being missunderstood by pro positivity people hurts.

Unprepared wishful thinking could gave paralyzed me. Being a party pooper is a precious gift.

I never saw one. I'm only annoyed by the pro psychiatry. The most cruel & deshumanizing incompetent psychopaths I've ever seen.

Well if he's in the real club he needs to stick to the rope club and stop trying to take the most negative threads and post that he finds and placing the magnifying glass on them and spreading as much fear as possible that way because that's exactly what he's doing. He finds the worst case scenario with sodium nitrite it is constantly sharing it in the guise of trying to inform people if he were trying to inform people he'd give them the full picture.

I'm just curious how you would know what benefits of SN might have been over glorified while it's downside to minimalize if you haven't even done that research being that you've been asking questions in the past week or two that would have otherwise been answered if you were doing the research?

I'm actually asking in regards to SN not the hanging. You're not dumb.

Well if he's in the real club he needs to stick to the rope club and stop trying to take the most negative threads and post that he finds and placing the magnifying glass on them and spreading as much fear as possible that way because that's exactly what he's doing. He finds the worst case scenario with sodium nitrite it is constantly sharing it in the guise of trying to inform people if he were trying to inform people he'd give them the full picture.

I don't need the negativity at all whatsoever he's taking literally one of the safest methods out of all of them and he's only focusing his time on trying to spread fear and make people afraid about it. the absolutely one method that people have recovered from time and time again with no issues. The method that is available to most of us and easily accessible. Why doesn't he focus the attention toward other methods as well if he's so concerned about "warning and helping people"
@Judy Garland

 

[Hollowillow]

I'm just curious how you would know what benefits of SN might have been over glorified while it's downside to minimalize if you haven't even done that research being that you've been asking questions in the past week or two that would have otherwise been answered if you were doing the research?

I'm actually asking in regards to SN not the hanging. You're not dumb.

I'm not saying it as a fact. But I've been extremely worried that SN was too good to be true. So when he ruined the party with potential problems, I was relieved to finally find out the down side & see if I can handle it.

I can't handle the downside of full hanging. Maybe I can the SN.

Sadly I forgot what the downside of SN was. Maybe he can tell us again, I'd welcome & appreciate it.

Thank you for telling me that I'm not dumb. I'm brain damaged though... I think SN has less risks of brain damage than hanging if it fails? Can someone let me know if SN can paralyze & brain damage? I think I read that low oxygen happens slowly with SN. So the body compensates, until it's too late to be saved, then BAM everything dies. With hanging suffocation damage starts right away?

I really need to discuss downsides.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

I'm not saying it as a fact. But I've been extremely worried that SN was too good to be true. So when he ruined the party with potential problems, I was relieved to finally find out the down side & see if I can handle it.

I can't handle the downside of full hanging. Maybe I can the SN.

Sadly I forgot what the downside of SN was. Maybe he can tell us again, I'd welcome & appreciate it.

Thank you for telling me that I'm not dumb. I'm brain damaged though... I think SN has less risks of brain damage than hanging if it fails? Can someone let me know if SN can paralyze & brain damage? I think I read that low oxygen happens slowly with SN. So the body compensates, until it's too late to be saved, then BAM everything dies. With hanging suffocation damage starts right away?

I really need to discuss downsides.

Sodium nitrite converts into nitric oxide which acts as a neuroprotectant. I guess if you are found after these properties wear off sure you can can brain damage. There have yet to be any medical articles released yet so I'm not following any of this hype. I will mention that I did see a post on Facebook from the mother of a daughter who ingested Sodium Nitrite and apparently she was brain dead. At least that's what I'm assuming. I'm not sure if they found her after her heart stopped beating and they were able to revive her or what. I do know that they were able to keep her alive for an extra day or two with tubes down her throat in the hospital until her organs were donated.

You think free life exit would be spending his time "informing" people about the dangers of hanging since it can be extremely painful and has led to tons of people being brain dead and paralyzed. He doesn't do that though. He focuses on the one method that's fairly accessible to all of us and has been rated a 7 out of 10 in terms of peacefulness from exit international. Sure there are going to be people who have a bad experience and not out of 10 times those are the people that didn't follow the guide properly and try to do things their own way. Someone was sharing the success and failures thread yesterday and said look if you go to the fourth person down they failed from vomiting. So I found that user and I went to their thread and read into it and come to find out they drink sodium nitrate not Nitrite and they drank 1.5l of water with it. I'm sure there are risk with any method but when it comes to sodium nitrite and people who have failed they seem to always recover. Even the people that come on here claiming that they're having problems after a failure they come for a couple of days afterwards mention the problems that they're going through and then that's it after a while you don't hear them mentioning it anymore. Also I could be wrong and I probably am but I'm pretty sure paralysis has to do with spinal cord injury doesn't it? So I'm not sure how sodium nitrite can paralyze you. Again.. I could be wrong I'm not a doctor and I'm no expert.

 

[Julgran]

does anyone here dwell in the assumption that we have covert (and i think this is important, that they are covert) pro lifers here on the forum?

i mean, i can obviously and safely assume freelifexit is one, the way he's building his personality on combating SN (also, dead poets society like fuck off). but i ve also seen a number of people who generally seem to sow doubt and fear when it comes to relatively effective methods. they could be normal, healthily fearful people, but i can t escape the nagging feeling that they re underground vigilantes trying to score good morality points a la Fable

Well, the existence of pro-lifers within this community is both positive and negative. It's positive as far as understanding goes, since people here sometimes complain that no one understands our burdens - and it's negative in the sense that some journalists may use word scrapers to find out the most-used words in order to build some kind of word map, which could illustrate our mental state - which is a ridiculous idea, but what should one expect from them after choosing that kind of career..? - and another negative is that their only purpose for being here could be to try to shut the community down.

 

[Hollowillow]

Sodium nitrite converts into nitric oxide which acts as a neuroprotectant. I guess if you are found after these properties wear off sure you can can brain damage. There have yet to be any medical articles released yet so I'm not following any of this hype. I will mention that I did see a post on Facebook from the mother of a daughter who ingested Sodium Nitrite and apparently she was brain dead. At least that's what I'm assuming. I'm not sure if they found her after her heart stopped beating and they were able to revive her or what. I do know that they were able to keep her alive for an extra day or two with tubes down her throat in the hospital until her organs were donated.

You think free life exit would be spending his time "informing" people about the dangers of hanging since it can be extremely painful and has led to tons of people being brain dead and paralyzed. He doesn't do that though. He focuses on the one method that's fairly accessible to all of us and has been rated a 7 out of 10 in terms of peacefulness from exit international. Sure there are going to be people who have a bad experience and not out of 10 times those are the people that didn't follow the guide properly and try to do things their own way. Someone was sharing the success and failures thread yesterday and said look if you go to the fourth person down they failed from vomiting. So I found that user and I went to their thread and read into it and come to find out they drink sodium nitrate not Nitrite and they drank 1.5l of water with it. I'm sure there are risk with any method but when it comes to sodium nitrite and people who have failed they seem to always recover. Even the people that come on here claiming that they're having problems after a failure they come for a couple of days afterwards mention the problems that they're going through and then that's it after a while you don't hear them mentioning it anymore. Also I could be wrong and I probably am but I'm pretty sure paralysis has to do with spinal cord injury doesn't it? So I'm not sure how sodium nitrite can paralyze you. Again.. I could be wrong I'm not a doctor and I'm no expert.

Thank you.

And thank you for helping me see that his emotions might play a bigger role in his behavior than I thought.

It is possible that SN is a more peaceful method but he's emotionally buaised towards the rope to follow in the footsteps of his idol Robin Williams. He hanged himself.

I am also biaised to hang like he did... And also... Out of guilt. Many years ago I had rats in my walls. Rat trapped failed. I had to finish them off strangling them with a rope. I think I deserve to die the same way to atone.

I had drug problems. I swore that I would never touch it again. Medicine always make me sick with side effects & no benefits, I loathe drugs. They are at the bottom of the list of successful suicide...

So I am emotionally biaised against SN and for the rope.

Also, I prefer to be strangled than puke... It's sexier...

So maybe he has strong feelings against SN for some reason. But not suicide in general.

And to be honest he seemed to me like the most rational, calm, and thoughtful person. So when he warned us... I instinctively took him seriously.

Maybe he knows someone who regrets SN? Maybe he knows something we don't.

Maybe he's just fed up with people ONLY talking about SN and not his favorite method. No one spoke about oartial hanging, it drew me freaking nuts. I was so happy to meet him.

Honestly I don't think he's the type to let emotions cloud his judgement, but I probably am. So I find him reliable. It's so very hard to discuss worst case scenarios in a toxic positive society...

One advantage about partial hanging is that we can try right away with things around the home. No need for complex recipes... And ee die faster instead to be saved 8h later. Easier for people living with their parents.

We almost never discuss any other methods that has advantages over SN... And we rarely discuss SN side effects... His comments are refreshing to me.

It's not to be pro life invaders to want to share our different ways to ctb. I have never seen him in a goodbye post discouraging people to do it. I saw people telling them not to be ashamed if they change their minds & come back... Not as pro life comments... But someone recently did and she was devastated to have aborted the bus...

So a lot of comments can seem pro life. Some people here are just not ready... And it's ok to encourage them to wait and try at life a bit more.

I'm super conflicted myself... I wish I could enjoy life, but I can't due to physical pain and severe psychological traumas.

If I see someone who can still heal, I feel like it'd be mean not to show them possibilities...

What did the other guy do?

Well, the existence of pro-lifers within this community is both positive and negative. It's positive as far as understanding goes, since people here sometimes complain that no one understands our burdens - and it's negative in the sense that some journalists may use word scrapers to find out the most-used words in order to build some kind of word map, which could illustrate our mental state - which is a ridiculous idea, but what should one expect from them after choosing that kind of career..? - and another negative is that their only purpose for being here could be to try to shut the community down.

Scary. I think those vultures wanting to crush us don't post. They just search for criminal "proof".

 

[KQuotientW]

I always find it interesting that pro-lifers seldom message or contact people with disability. Their self righteousness doesn't extend to people like me, the chronically ill or disabled. It shows how bigoted they are. It's like they believe that the chronically ill and disabled have no worth in society. The kinds of people who would, if they saw a disabled person in hospital, suggest to a doctor that food and medication be withheld so that person passes away. Where's that person's choice? I'm entirely pro choice; the freedom to choose.

Thankfully, slowly, views on disabled people are starting to change. In Australia, we have disabled journalists and media personalities, alongside non disabled. Too many remember the dark days where anyone with even the tiniest hint of disability would be thrown into an institution, as though it was their natural habitat. I'm glad that there are more opportunities for chronically ill and disabled people to participate in community life. The bigotry and ableism still exist, though. It's not fun trying to navigate life when their are still so many negative attitudes about disabled and chronically ill people.


I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which also spawns chronic illness symptoms. It is part of the reason that I'm CTB soon, since pain medication and pain clinic specialists are so hard to access now. The pandemic saw waiting lists scrapped because they didn't know when they'd be able to see patients again. Then when that was over (ish), their waiting lists ballooned to many years, in some places.

Other reason is stalker (not an ex) who won't accept that I don't want a relationship with him, and because I've been bullied and harassed by Victoria Police officers for having an ex who was a cop. The old Blue Code where cops protect and defend cops, not matter what. Even extending to police they know are rapists, paedos, wife bashers. I can't take it anymore. It's been ongoing for 30+ years. Can't fkn get me when I'm dead, pigs.

But, yeah, pro-lifers are full of shit.

 

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I always find it interesting that pro-lifers seldom message or contact people with disability. Their self righteousness doesn't extend to people like me, the chronically ill or disabled. It shows how bigoted they are. It's like they believe that the chronically ill and disabled have no worth in society. The kinds of people who would, if they saw a disabled person in hospital, suggest to a doctor that food and medication be withheld so that person passes away. Where's that person's choice? I'm entirely pro choice; the freedom to choose.

Thankfully, slowly, views on disabled people are starting to change. In Australia, we have disabled journalists and media personalities, alongside non disabled. Too many remember the dark days where anyone with even the tiniest hint of disability would be thrown into an institution, as though it was their natural habitat. I'm glad that there are more opportunities for chronically ill and disabled people to participate in community life. The bigotry and ableism still exist, though. It's not fun trying to navigate life when their are still so many negative attitudes about disabled and chronically ill people.


I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which also spawns chronic illness symptoms. It is part of the reason that I'm CTB soon, since pain medication and pain clinic specialists are so hard to access now. The pandemic saw waiting lists scrapped because they didn't know when they'd be able to see patients again. Then when that was over (ish), their waiting lists ballooned to many years, in some places.

Other reason is stalker (not an ex) who won't accept that I don't want a relationship with him, and because I've been bullied and harassed by Victoria Police officers for having an ex who was a cop. The old Blue Code where cops protect and defend cops, not matter what. Even extending to police they know are rapists, paedos, wife bashers. I can't take it anymore. It's been ongoing for 30+ years. Can't fkn get me when I'm dead, pigs.

But, yeah, pro-lifers are full of shit.

I'm so terribly sorry you're having to go through that..

Ah.. community policing.. aka gangstalking.. Do the residents have anything to do with it?

 

[KQuotientW]

I'm so terribly sorry you're having to go through that..

Ah.. community policing.. aka gangstalking.. Do the residents have anything to do with it?

Small country town. They just see my situation as gossip fodder and spread malicious rumours. The local cop is from this town, which doesn't help. My ex worked in Melbourne at the, then, Vic Pol headquarters. But, police defend police, past or present, no matter where they worked. Any friends I have, live far from my town, and in places where people tend to prefer to be nicer and supportive. This town, however, is mostly full of parochialism and meth-heads. I live just outside of town, among kangaroos and kookaburras. Police, particularly uniform branch, are mostly bullies. Detectives have apologised to me for the way uniform have treated me, but it's too late.

 

[Himalayan]

Idk man. I think some people are just scared.
I was never 100% sure about any methods...
SN sounds good though, if the first spoon doesn't kill you, just try the other one? Haha

 

[Hollowillow]

I always find it interesting that pro-lifers seldom message or contact people with disability. Their self righteousness doesn't extend to people like me, the chronically ill or disabled. It shows how bigoted they are. It's like they believe that the chronically ill and disabled have no worth in society. The kinds of people who would, if they saw a disabled person in hospital, suggest to a doctor that food and medication be withheld so that person passes away. Where's that person's choice? I'm entirely pro choice; the freedom to choose.

Thankfully, slowly, views on disabled people are starting to change. In Australia, we have disabled journalists and media personalities, alongside non disabled. Too many remember the dark days where anyone with even the tiniest hint of disability would be thrown into an institution, as though it was their natural habitat. I'm glad that there are more opportunities for chronically ill and disabled people to participate in community life. The bigotry and ableism still exist, though. It's not fun trying to navigate life when their are still so many negative attitudes about disabled and chronically ill people.


I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which also spawns chronic illness symptoms. It is part of the reason that I'm CTB soon, since pain medication and pain clinic specialists are so hard to access now. The pandemic saw waiting lists scrapped because they didn't know when they'd be able to see patients again. Then when that was over (ish), their waiting lists ballooned to many years, in some places.

Other reason is stalker (not an ex) who won't accept that I don't want a relationship with him, and because I've been bullied and harassed by Victoria Police officers for having an ex who was a cop. The old Blue Code where cops protect and defend cops, not matter what. Even extending to police they know are rapists, paedos, wife bashers. I can't take it anymore. It's been ongoing for 30+ years. Can't fkn get me when I'm dead, pigs.

But, yeah, pro-lifers are full of shit.

I'm so sorry that you have a birth mutation giving you issues... sometimes evolution experiment painfully. "cause problems with connective tissue in the skin, joints and blood vessel walls." I see a link there... Collagen... Made with viramin c. I'd try to eat and take supplrments as much as I can hold. It's possible that it might have advantages, but requires more vitamin c, making you feel the pain of a deficient food supply more painfully than someone who require less flexibility. I don't know much... But we can't go wrong boosting the most useful vitamin.

Oh hell... I feel you... A security guard beat me to a pulp because I removed my mask to catch my breath waiting for the bus. The police said I deserved it, even the chief. Men are entitled to master and dominate women. It's their duty and making me bleed all over my legs was great work!

I bought an axe. Get a gun? Move far away?

 

[Ligottian]

I suspect that some of those who make threads about the afterlife, hell, reincarnation, etc. are covert pro-lifers. Trying to sow seeds of fear in those that read it.

 

[Hollowillow]

I suspect that some of those who make threads about the afterlife, hell, reincarnation, etc. are covert pro-lifers. Trying to sow seeds of fear in those that read it.

Or maybe they're suicidal people, scared of the unknown, needing reassurance that their efforts to die won't land them in an eternal hell even worse than life.

I understand paranoia, but... I enjoyed discussing that topic before and I'm a pro human extinction.

 

[freelifexit]

I wish I was pro lifer.
It's strange that you're afraid of pro lifers. This is a free forum, everyone has the right to express their opinion, including pro lifers.

Thank you for your opinion about my behaviour, but I think you overestimate my activity on this forum.

Telling the unpleasant truth doesn't equal to spreading fear, people deserve to know the risks they may face. It is much worse to create and propagate a false positive image of poison, as some do.

SN is a poison and not Nembutal. According to posts and medical articles, SN can be painful, cause suffocation, and damage organs. It can also be painless, not cause suffocation, and not damage organs. Everyone reacts differently. I think it's a simple enough idea to understand.

But still there are people who believe in the infallibility of SN, just as children believe in Santa Claus. And they get upset like children (crying and stamping their feet) when they are told that SN is not so beautiful.

I will not respond to new comments, as I wrote everything I wanted, and further discussion does not make sense.

 

[Ligottian]

Or maybe they're suicidal people, scared of the unknown, needing reassurance that their efforts to die won't land them in an eternal hell even worse than life.

I understand paranoia, but... I enjoyed discussing that topic before and I'm a pro human extinction.

Probably most of them are those you mentioned. For full disclosure, I'm a "lights outer" when it come to death.

 

[Judy Garland]

Thank you.

And thank you for helping me see that his emotions might play a bigger role in his behavior than I thought.

It is possible that SN is a more peaceful method but he's emotionally buaised towards the rope to follow in the footsteps of his idol Robin Williams. He hanged himself.

I am also biaised to hang like he did... And also... Out of guilt. Many years ago I had rats in my walls. Rat trapped failed. I had to finish them off strangling them with a rope. I think I deserve to die the same way to atone.

I had drug problems. I swore that I would never touch it again. Medicine always make me sick with side effects & no benefits, I loathe drugs. They are at the bottom of the list of successful suicide...

So I am emotionally biaised against SN and for the rope.

Also, I prefer to be strangled than puke... It's sexier...

So maybe he has strong feelings against SN for some reason. But not suicide in general.

And to be honest he seemed to me like the most rational, calm, and thoughtful person. So when he warned us... I instinctively took him seriously.

Maybe he knows someone who regrets SN? Maybe he knows something we don't.

Maybe he's just fed up with people ONLY talking about SN and not his favorite method. No one spoke about oartial hanging, it drew me freaking nuts. I was so happy to meet him.

Honestly I don't think he's the type to let emotions cloud his judgement, but I probably am. So I find him reliable. It's so very hard to discuss worst case scenarios in a toxic positive society...

One advantage about partial hanging is that we can try right away with things around the home. No need for complex recipes... And ee die faster instead to be saved 8h later. Easier for people living with their parents.

We almost never discuss any other methods that has advantages over SN... And we rarely discuss SN side effects... His comments are refreshing to me.

It's not to be pro life invaders to want to share our different ways to ctb. I have never seen him in a goodbye post discouraging people to do it. I saw people telling them not to be ashamed if they change their minds & come back... Not as pro life comments... But someone recently did and she was devastated to have aborted the bus...

So a lot of comments can seem pro life. Some people here are just not ready... And it's ok to encourage them to wait and try at life a bit more.

I'm super conflicted myself... I wish I could enjoy life, but I can't due to physical pain and severe psychological traumas.

If I see someone who can still heal, I feel like it'd be mean not to show them possibilities...

What did the other guy do?

Scary. I think those vultures wanting to crush us don't post. They just search for criminal "proof".

Not me I'm pro murder! *Throws a knife at your head* that one was out of love. Your avatar and quote are hilarious.

@freelifexit is not a pro lifer. He's a pro rope like me, he's been giving me advice about how to hang myself like Robin Williams, his avatar. We are both really weary of drugs because they have the lowest chances if success. He's a negative prophet, digging worst case scenarios to warn us of potential dangers.

I agree with him that the benefits of SN might have been overly glorified while it's down side too minimized. He thinks that people should be properly informed. He brought information to my attention that I didn't hear before but could easily verify as true, even in the tutorial the warning us there... But ut was never mentionned in discussions in the forum until he brought it up, and was shunned for it with undeserved anger.

It is possible that he is going into the other extreme and putting too much focus on minimal risk. But if the risk is there, I need to know. It'd be traumatizing to find out the hard way while dying, panic & call for help.

Negative prophets gives us gifts of dark knowledge. He is absolutely one of us.

But he's in the rope club. Not the SN club. I am slowly being seduced by SN. But if ut can go wrong, I need to know to brace myself & prepare.

He is my friend and I don't have any doubt at all that he's pro choice.

I am pro murder but I posted pro life stuff because the person asked for ways to live.

We all have our pro lufe moments. It's hard to let friends go.

I'm sorry that he hurt your feelings by ruinning your SN party with potential down sides... But he definitively respect your right to ctb.

I'm a party pooper too. So I understand him. He just wants to make sure you'll have a safe passing, in his own super rational calculated way.

I respect my inner paranoia warning me of dangers. I deeply respect another person who warned me that full suspention can paralyze & mute me. I chose partial to avoid breaking my neck... and maybe SN.

I need this grim realistic negativity. I need a friend like him. Because I am too. And being missunderstood by pro positivity people hurts.

Unprepared wishful thinking could gave paralyzed me. Being a party pooper is a precious gift.

I never saw one. I'm only annoyed by the pro psychiatry. The most cruel & deshumanizing incompetent psychopaths I've ever seen.

If freelifexit doesn't like that people talk about SN then too bad. What do you mean he feels like too many people talk about it....TOO BAD that's what they're interested in, and have questions about. So yeah, it's going to be talked about. We don't bother him about the dangers of hanging. Do you know how many things can go wrong with partial and full hanging??? Freelifexit does not offer credible sources. He takes one article and slams SN with it.
This is about him having a club?????? So he goes after SN because he feels that too many people are into it and not enough of people into hanging? What the F%$&! This is not a popularity contest!
How would you like it if we kept saying over and over on every post about hanging, all of the dangers of hanging while posting the same one or two sources of failures. Do you need to constantly be bombarded with this? Because I already know that you know the dangers. I'm assuming you've done the research. So, I won't bother you with that. I won't tell you that it's the worst method out there like your friend freelifexit does about SN.
Trust me, those of us who are choosing SN have done the research and continue to research because we ALREADY worry about what can go wrong. It's our method. We've done and continue to do the research ourselves. I'm glad that you enjoy him talking about the downsides (which he uses posts that are questionable, but I'll get to that) of SN so maybe you and he should just PM each other.
Many of us have put freelifexit on ignore, long ago. Again, A lot of the posts that freelifexit bombards us with are from questionable people. Like from TeenyTiny? Who wanted to snort SN like cocaine? Another post that freelifexit has shared came from someone who swore they had brain damage because while they were doing laundry, they felt that time went by too fast. They were told to see their doctor. Their doctor said they were fine and couldn't find anything wrong. But this person swears that they have brain damage. Sorry, I question those people's experiences and their integrity.
Yeah, I already know about the case where a man woke up in his vomit and feces...yup, freaked me out. I'm over it though, I don't need freelifexit to keep reminding me, claiming that this generally happens. I also read about a woman who was saved by family who states that she heard her brain pop and sizzle. Freaked me out, again. But again, this isn't everyone's experience and he claims that these experiences are general and are the norm. (She is perfectly fine by the way, has no brain damage).
You and he can be biased about hanging, but don't take that out on people interested in other methods. That's just mean and wrong.

 

[akirat9]

as funeral cry say place like this should no even need exist
but it do; so i say draw enough crowd and conflict bound to happen

 

[actual_fox]

Pro lifers- Yes they are sussy bakkas. I watch for people who try to find too many details about others- yes this happens.


But I would like to add one more thing: We should not tell people: "safe travels" BEFORE they take SN. After they take It we should stay as long as they need us or can read the chat- If they wish to do so.

I suspect that some of those who make threads about the afterlife, hell, reincarnation, etc. are covert pro-lifers. Trying to sow seeds of fear in those that read it.

Hey man, I know we are mostly here materialists but they keep it contained in the same thread. Plus when they speak they never seam to believe in things like eternal damnation or forced reincarnation. They are either agnostic, doubting, vaguely spiritual or believe in some form of Gnosticism or derivative of this.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Small country town. They just see my situation as gossip fodder and spread malicious rumours. The local cop is from this town, which doesn't help. My ex worked in Melbourne at the, then, Vic Pol headquarters. But, police defend police, past or present, no matter where they worked. Any friends I have, live far from my town, and in places where people tend to prefer to be nicer and supportive. This town, however, is mostly full of parochialism and meth-heads. I live just outside of town, among kangaroos and kookaburras. Police, particularly uniform branch, are mostly bullies. Detectives have apologised to me for the way uniform have treated me, but it's too late.

Yeah.. this is the whole part of the gang stalking agenda that people seem to believe is some kind of fairy tale in that your schizophrenic if you're going through it. I can't tell you how many people in this community have tried to tell me that I'm lying and making it up so I'm not even able to speak about it. This is absolutely what happens they will throw dirt on your name, spread rumors, follow you around, harass you and so much more. I'm really sorry you're having to deal with this.

I wish I was pro lifer.
It's strange that you're afraid of pro lifers. This is a free forum, everyone has the right to express their opinion, including pro lifers.

Thank you for your opinion about my behaviour, but I think you overestimate my activity on this forum.

Telling the unpleasant truth doesn't equal to spreading fear, people deserve to know the risks they may face. It is much worse to create and propagate a false positive image of poison, as some do.

SN is a poison and not Nembutal. According to posts and medical articles, SN can be painful, cause suffocation, and damage organs. It can also be painless, not cause suffocation, and not damage organs. Everyone reacts differently. I think it's a simple enough idea to understand.

But still there are people who believe in the infallibility of SN, just as children believe in Santa Claus. And they get upset like children (crying and stamping their feet) when they are told that SN is not so beautiful.

I will not respond to new comments, as I wrote everything I wanted, and further discussion does not make sense.

Thanks for your help Bud.

Would you like to discuss the dangers of hanging as well? I think that that's a topic that we should focus on also right?

If freelifexit doesn't like that people talk about SN then too bad. What do you mean he feels like too many people talk about it....TOO BAD that's what they're interested in, and have questions about. So yeah, it's going to be talked about. We don't bother him about the dangers of hanging. Do you know how many things can go wrong with partial and full hanging??? Freelifexit does not offer credible sources. He takes one article and slams SN with it.
This is about him having a club?????? So he goes after SN because he feels that too many people are into it and not enough of people into hanging? What the F%$&! This is not a popularity contest!
How would you like it if we kept saying over and over on every post about hanging, all of the dangers of hanging while posting the same one or two sources of failures. Do you need to constantly be bombarded with this? Because I already know that you know the dangers. I'm assuming you've done the research. So, I won't bother you with that. I won't tell you that it's the worst method out there like your friend freelifexit does about SN.
Trust me, those of us who are choosing SN have done the research and continue to research because we ALREADY worry about what can go wrong. It's our method. We've done and continue to do the research ourselves. I'm glad that you enjoy him talking about the downsides (which he uses posts that are questionable, but I'll get to that) of SN so maybe you and he should just PM each other.
Many of us have put freelifexit on ignore, long ago. Again, A lot of the posts that freelifexit bombards us with are from questionable people. Like from TeenyTiny? Who wanted to snort SN like cocaine? Another post that freelifexit has shared came from someone who swore they had brain damage because while they were doing laundry, they felt that time went by too fast. They were told to see their doctor. Their doctor said they were fine and couldn't find anything wrong. But this person swears that they have brain damage. Sorry, I question those people's experiences and their integrity.
Yeah, I already know about the case where a man woke up in his vomit and feces...yup, freaked me out. I'm over it though, I don't need freelifexit to keep reminding me, claiming that this generally happens. I also read about a woman who was saved by family who states that she heard her brain pop and sizzle. Freaked me out, again. But again, this isn't everyone's experience and he claims that these experiences are general and are the norm. (She is perfectly fine by the way, has no brain damage).
You and he can be biased about hanging, but don't take that out on people interested in other methods. That's just mean and wrong.

I'm assuming that man that you spoke about that woke up in his vomit and feces was the same man that purchased sodium nitrite 4 days after the Matthew Miller article was posted. He probably did not follow any kind of method didn't even fast for all we know and didn't even use water.
There are dangers when it comes to any method, but I am not afraid of sodium nitrite. It has far less dangers than me throwing a speaker cord around my neck and hanging myself from a branch in the woods.

I suspect that some of those who make threads about the afterlife, hell, reincarnation, etc. are covert pro-lifers. Trying to sow seeds of fear in those that read it.

You mean like this stuff?

After We Die — Death, a free course

Our experience after death is determined by how we lived our life. Those who train the consciousness can take advantage of the after death states, to achieve a better rebirth. This lecture examines the six stages of the life cycle, kabbalah, astral projection, meditation, and more.

glorian.org

 

[chloramine]

I think we need to be careful about the balance we strike between worries about that. We need to be careful about posting sources for the safety of those sources and the safety of this site, but if we start accusing people of being pro life or not belonging here then that can do real harm to the people this place is supposed to be for. 100% employ caution. This is an online space where we can all be anonymous. That works as a measure of safety for us, but it also makes it harder to verify the trustworthiness of anyone else. I'd say maybe avoid accusing anyone of anything when we can't really know.

 

[actual_fox]

You mean like this stuff?

After We Die — Death, a free course

Our experience after death is determined by how we lived our life. Those who train the consciousness can take advantage of the after death states, to achieve a better rebirth. This lecture examines the six stages of the life cycle, kabbalah, astral projection, meditation, and more.

glorian.org

Spoiler: meme

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Spoiler: meme

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I don't follow typical Gnostic teachings but this is funny. Seen this around a few times.

 

[actual_fox]

I don't follow typical Gnostic teachings but this is funny. Seen this around a few times.

Me neither, but we should no0t talk about this here, we can talk somewhere else about It if ya want