Pro-Life Charlatans Don’t Care About You

[Rational man]

I don't think a lot of people understand this dilemma,

Drs are ethically bound to save lives and fear failure if they can't. .You have made some excellent points. Do you thi nk the congress lady in USA would emphasise.?

The Samaritans will not intervene to stop you. In fact in the past when I contacted them, they stated they would "be there with me at the end" and they would then terminate the call when the line went quiet This is rooted in the philosophy of their founder - Chad Varah. I found this surprising - in a positive way. I once relayed this information to a therapist, she did not believe me so I recorded part of the call on my phone and played it back to her - the part where the Samaritans say this. I also told her that if she did not believe me - phone them up, tell them she was suicidal and ask if they would be there with her at the end and listen to what their response was. Of course, I'd rather she didn't waste their time, but I was trying to make a point. The only time they will intervene is if you want help, change your mind or tell them your location before you make such an attempt. Then, apparently they are obliged to seek help for you.
I asked my therapist how she could "square this circle"? the Samaritans will not intervene and believe in autonomy of decision., but if you told a therapist what you would tell one of these helplines, you'd be sectioned and detained before you could say 5150 hold (ok I know that is the American version of sectioning someone!).

The Samaritans will not intervene to stop you. In fact in the past when I contacted them, they stated they would "be there with me at the end" and they would then terminate the call when the line went quiet This is rooted in the philosophy of their founder - Chad Varah. I found this surprising - in a positive way. I once relayed this information to a therapist, she did not believe me so I recorded part of the call on my phone and played it back to her - the part where the Samaritans say this. I also told her that if she did not believe me - phone them up, tell them she was suicidal and ask if they would be there with her at the end and listen to what their response was. Of course, I'd rather she didn't waste their time, but I was trying to make a point. The only time they will intervene is if you want help, change your mind or tell them your location before you make such an attempt. Then, apparently they are obliged to seek help for you.
I asked my therapist how she could "square this circle"? the Samaritans will not intervene and believe in autonomy of decision., but if you told a therapist what you would tell one of these helplines, you'd be sectioned and detained before you could say 5150 hold (ok I know that is the American version of sectioning someone!).

THANKS for clarification.

 

[Simba]

I agree with this to a point.
I don't think it is appropriate to essentially treat su***dal people as we do criminals, by depriving them of their liberty.

Sorry i know this is an old post but i don't get why the need to censor the word suicidal ? Like its not cursing or whatever :/

 

[StarryStarry]

Im sure they're thrilled with this little victory but remember that those lying scumbags don't have a shred of compassion or empathy between them. They don't care about you or us or suicide or mental health… all they care about is themselves. Their own guilt and shame, their beliefs and opinions, and their own anxieties and hang-ups projected onto you.

When someone says "don't do it" what they really mean is "don't do this to me".

It's a fact that trained suicide councillors NEVER tell a suicidal person not to do it. It's invalidating, dismissive, and it shows a person isn't interested in your pain and what you're going through.

Someone who tells you not to CTB is not in a position to help you, and you deserve better.

I've found during my lifetime that there really is no one who will care about you. Family leave, friends leave, strangers are assholes, so called christians are liars, there is not one fucking person who really gives a shit. Sorry just had to vent

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Sorry i know this is an old post but i don't get why the need to censor the world suicidal ? Like its not cursing or whatever :/

Turns out that guy was Jeremy so that's somehow why I guess.

 

[Simba]

Turns out that guy was Jeremy so that's somehow why I guess.

yes i read that its Jeremy but still why the need to write su***dal instead of just writing suicidal ? ugh i just feel like they'll end up saying NOPE can't use the word suicidal it has to be su***dal .. *sigh*

 

[Journeytoletgo]

They are afraid that if the truly miserable all killed ourselves, then they would have to face their own miserable existence and they don't want to do that.

Nothing but the truth. If all miserable people offed themselves they would hate it because then there is no one to look down upon and gaslight, abuse, exploit. I find CTB courageous and also heroic

 

[Mr2005]

Depends if they are actually pro life. There's frauds in every walk of life