Pro-Life Charlatans Don’t Care About You

[TotallyIsolated]

Im sure they're thrilled with this little victory but remember that those lying scumbags don't have a shred of compassion or empathy between them. They don't care about you or us or suicide or mental health… all they care about is themselves. Their own guilt and shame, their beliefs and opinions, and their own anxieties and hang-ups projected onto you.

When someone says "don't do it" what they really mean is "don't do this to me".

It's a fact that trained suicide councillors NEVER tell a suicidal person not to do it. It's invalidating, dismissive, and it shows a person isn't interested in your pain and what you're going through.

Someone who tells you not to CTB is not in a position to help you, and you deserve better.

 

[TheHatedOne]

Agreed. They think that their beliefs apply to everyone no matter what and they aggressively shove them down everyone's throat. They put considerable effort in achieving this because they are insecure pos.

They don't help, they just do it for the sake of their social status and to look good into society's eyes. It's all a shitshow.

 

[Daria98765]

YOU ARE SO GOD DAMN RIGHT.
I was thinking about NYT problem for past two days and even had a dream of me staying in front of NYT building with canister of gasoline ready to burn myself as an act of protest against people who think their desire to avoid pain from your suicide is more important than our right to die.
Of course my dream is dump and childish,but god dammit what precedent should happen so big media start tolerate us like they do to LGBT,Afro-American.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

They are not pro-lifers they are forced-lifers. They force others to continue living in deplorable and humiliating conditions. Life at all costs is their motto. We are driven to suicide by these narcissistic sociopaths in the first place. The ironic cruelty of life never seems to end.

 

[Silenos]

When someone says "don't do it" what they really mean is "don't do this to me".

I told my aunt the exact same thing after she called the cops on me because she was 'concerned'. That was after she said she'd keep doing it if she had to because "I'm not going to lose my nephew!". I then removed and blocked her on all social media.

 

[Circles]

Especially the people who wrote the article, the fixthe26 cunts, and the corrupt government bureaucrats. I certainly bet that if you asked any of them for 'help' they sure as hell wouldn't. Why else are they so keen on pushing that useless hotline so much as the answer to all our problems? Because they don't want to deal with us or any other suicidal person themselves and so want other people to do it even though the people who work for the hotlines are just as undertrained as they all are. Hell if you lookup the Energy and Commerce bill they recently passed if I remember right they spent around $60 million to the suicide hotlines agencies. Fucking useless.

My main gripe is with the fucking fixthe26 Karen cunts who'll never help a suicidal person unless it was their own child. But too late for that I guess. I wonder what their kids would've felt if they were given that number.

 

[steviewonder]

George Carlin once said pro lifers care about you until you're born. Then they want you drafted in the army and you're fucked

 

[Crazy4u]

SS is literally my lifeline. I don't know what to do now. None of those stupid people care about suicide. They actually want us to ctb. silencing suicidal people make the situation worse

 

[Daria98765]

I told my aunt the exact same thing after she called the cops on me because she was 'concerned'. That was after she said she'd keep doing it if she had to because "I'm not going to lose my nephew!". I then removed and blocked her on all social media.

You did everything right.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

SS is literally my lifeline. I don't know what to do now. None of those stupid people care about suicide. They actually want us to ctb. silencing suicidal people make the situation worse

None of the those asshole forced-lifers care about lives. They only seek control. They even laughed and celebrated when a SS member died, saying that they hoped she died in agony.

They are looking for someone to blame because someone they knew ctb. SS is an easy target. They should look in the mirror before blaming anyone else but self reflection is something narcissistic sociopaths rarely do.

 

[Anxieyote]

Suicidal people are the perfect targets for virtue-signaling.

"I won't let anyone die—not on my watch! I care about everyone on this planet! I'm such a caring person! I saved someone's life once by sharing the suicide hotline!"

Narcissistic cunts. And once they think they've "saved" us, they won't inquire about our situation any further and enjoy basking in their social media likes after doing such a noble service by banning our access to painless methods…I can't even describe how angry I get when I think about it.

 

[blueclover_.]

They are not pro-lifers they are forced-lifers. They force others to continue living in deplorable and humiliating conditions. Life at all costs is their motto. We are driven to suicide by these narcissistic sociopaths in the first place. The ironic cruelty of life never seems to end.

Term-wise, they are literally pro-lifers. The other synonyms basically have the same meaning; the people who believe life is objectively good for everyone, no matter how much a person is suffering. Most people think like this because it is an irrational instinct just like SI. They can never explain why life is good or necessary without bringing religious doctrines as an 'argument'.

 

[Julgran]

George Carlin once said pro lifers care about you until you're born. Then they want you drafted in the army and you're fucked

This rings true.

First people say "Aaaaawww! How cute that baby is" when they see a new born baby, and then they say "Aaaawww! See how many innocent lives were lost!" when they see a disaster on the TV news. It's as if they want to say that your life doesn't matter any more after growing up from being a baby. Was the innocennce ever lost? Was it lost due to the school/work indoctrination?

 

[_Seeking]

They are afraid that if the truly miserable all killed ourselves, then they would have to face their own miserable existence and they don't want to do that.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

None of the those asshole forced-lifers care about lives. They only seek control. They even laughed and celebrated when a SS member died, saying that they hoped she died in agony.

They are looking for someone to blame because someone they knew ctb. SS is an easy target. They should look in the mirror before blaming anyone else but self reflection is something narcissistic sociopaths rarely do.

That was so cruel. Rue89 was a 24 year-old autistic girl from Wisconsin who never left the house because of her severe anxiety. Joe Nihil had asked her what her method was and Rue just said it was SN. His mom (Stop Sanctioned Suicide) thought this was a good enough reason to hound her and even faked some weird screen shots of Rue threatening to rape someone. Such bizarre and narcissistic behaviour, completely devoid of empathy.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ide-to-one-of-our-former-members.67486/page-2

 

[Hirokami]

If they actually cared about "saving lives", they'd try to improve the quality of life in the first place. Suicidal thoughts don't exist in a vacuum, after all. Though, of course it's easier to target an unconventional support site and use it as a scapegoat. Do they really think getting rid of this site would make suicide rates drop to 0, as if this site is the reason people consider suicide in the first place? No, people come here because they already had such thoughts before even knowing of this site's existence. Getting rid of this site won't do shit to lower suicide rates. Fuck slacktivism.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

A lot of people are simply unwilling to listen to our thoughts and feelings. They are not even capable of feigning an attempt to understand perspectives that may clash with theirs, because they want to dig their heels in the mud and solidify whatever preconceptions they hold about life being optimistic and fair.

Now, some people genuinely do care, but they are few and far in between. Many do not have lived experience of suicidality, so it is nearly impossible for them to see the world through our eyes. They can't fathom it. I know a person who works for a ctb hotline- and yeah, this individual genuinely does want to help people- but can't seem to grasp the fact that current interventions will not be helpful for a sizable chunk of the population.

Unless you've been put through the system yourself and seen its faults with your own eyes, you will be somewhat blind about the glaring failures. It is very easy for someone who has never dealt with the healthcare conglomerate longterm to advertise it with zeal, as they don their rose tinted glasses.

It is easy to defend these institutions when you haven't personally been wronged by them. Many anti-choice individuals will never experience the "help" for themselves. When it isn't their medical problems being neglected, their stories being invalidated, their faces being spit in by authority, they will remain skeptical of what we have to say.

In a case like mine, I am objectively and ubiquitously useless to both those around me and wider society. I require help from others and I find little joy in life because I suffer with several disabilities and a mounting pile of adverse life experiences. Those closest to me have frequently gotten angry because I don't improve and enjoy existence, yet they refuse to let me go.

I have to spend every waking moment being punished for the way my body is, but don't get a say in whether or not to terminate the hellshow I'm forced to play a part in. It often seems contradictory that people force me alive and punish me for being suicidal, yet acknowledge at the same time that my quality of life is poor and I'm never going to have an easy life.

I don't think a lot of people understand this dilemma, where you are making other people's lives worse simply by being alive, but aren't allowed to exercise your bodily autonomy whatsoever and put an end to the pain.

So you're trapped in an ever spiralling avalanche, where you lose more and more connections, opportunities, and pivotal experiences that make life worth living in the first place, but those who could care less are demanding you stick around for the grand finale of dying alone in a hospital or care home.

Many people are scared that if they speak out on this issue, they will lose their own livelihoods. Because advocating for bodily autonomy is a very unpopular position these days. It is not glamorous to admit that some people suffer unnecessarily and needlessly, and that life is not always a blessing.

 

[littlelungs]

A lot of people are simply unwilling to listen to our thoughts and feelings. They are not even capable of feigning an attempt to understand perspectives that may clash with theirs, because they want to dig their heels in the mud and solidify whatever preconceptions they hold about life being optimistic and fair.

Now, some people genuinely do care, but they are few and far in between. Many do not have lived experience of suicidality, so it is nearly impossible for them to see the world through our eyes. They can't fathom it. I know a person who works for a ctb hotline- and yeah, this individual genuinely does want to help people- but can't seem to grasp the fact that current interventions will not be helpful for a sizable chunk of the population.

Unless you've been put through the system yourself and seen its faults with your own eyes, you will be somewhat blind about the glaring failures. It is very easy for someone who has never dealt with the healthcare conglomerate longterm to advertise it with zeal, as they don their rose tinted glasses.

It is easy to defend these institutions when you haven't personally been wronged by them. Many anti-choice individuals will never experience the "help" for themselves. When it isn't their medical problems being neglected, their stories being invalidated, their faces being spit in by authority, they will remain skeptical of what we have to say.

In a case like mine, I am objectively and ubiquitously useless to both those around me and wider society. I require help from others and I find little joy in life because I suffer with several disabilities and a mounting pile of adverse life experiences. Those closest to me have frequently gotten angry because I don't improve and enjoy existence, yet they refuse to let me go.

I have to spend every waking moment being punished for the way my body is, but don't get a say in whether or not to terminate the hellshow I'm forced to play a part in. It often seems contradictory that people force me alive and punish me for being suicidal, yet acknowledge at the same time that my quality of life is poor and I'm never going to have an easy life.

I don't think a lot of people understand this dilemma, where you are making other people's lives worse simply by being alive, but aren't allowed to exercise your bodily autonomy whatsoever and put an end to the pain.

So you're trapped in an ever spiralling avalanche, where you lose more and more connections, opportunities, and pivotal experiences that make life worth living in the first place, but those who could care less are demanding you stick around for the grand finale of dying alone in a hospital or care home.

Many people are scared that if they speak out on this issue, they will lose their own livelihoods. Because advocating for bodily autonomy is a very unpopular position these days. It is not glamorous to admit that some people suffer unnecessarily and needlessly, and that life is not always a blessing.

Holy shit. I rarely comment on posts just to tell people how much I like their post, but just a heart does not suffice here. As someone who has suffered for as long as they can remember at the mercy of their own body, the healthcare and social systems, society, and even their own family at times, and as someone who has been through absolute HELL trying to get "help" (that anti-choicers – with their lack of perspective and experience – love to praise and dangle in front of vulnerable people's faces, like it's really that simple to "just get help") and has come out on the other end even worse off for it... everything you've said is so bang-on.

I came here to say something similar, but you really said everything I was thinking, and far more eloquently than I ever could, at that. I wish I could it more than once.

 

[WilNord]

George Carlin once said pro lifers care about you until you're born. Then they want you drafted in the army and you're fucked

Most of those in the first world dont get drafted anymore, although if you replace "drafted in the army" with "having to act like this, write 900000 word essays, practice reading scripts on what to say on job interviews, etc" then it would make sense for everybody. I guess I sound like a pussy lib/leftist complaining about something that every person has to do with most of the world wishing their lives were as easy as someone like mine but it would make the world a better place if a ratshit pussy asshole like me died

 

[IconoclasticCultist]

Im sure they're thrilled with this little victory but remember that those lying scumbags don't have a shred of compassion or empathy between them. They don't care about you or us or suicide or mental health… all they care about is themselves. Their own guilt and shame, their beliefs and opinions, and their own anxieties and hang-ups projected onto you.

When someone says "don't do it" what they really mean is "don't do this to me".

It's a fact that trained suicide councillors NEVER tell a suicidal person not to do it. It's invalidating, dismissive, and it shows a person isn't interested in your pain and what you're going through.

Someone who tells you not to CTB is not in a position to help you, and you deserve better.

The simple fact they are gloating over what they have done says enough about these people frankly.

 

[StevieNixs]

Opposition to suicide is really routed in the Abrahamic religions which is bizarre given that many of the people who oppose suicide are irreligious.
Moreover, consider this. If suicide is considered to be more culturally acceptable in places like Japan, are profilers asserting that the Western model of suicide prevention, is more forward-thinking and civilised? There is another name for that ......

 

[park.mr]

silencing suicidal people make the situation worse

Yes. It would make them even more suicidal.

 

[TheBestUsernameEver]

Wow, so much stuff to take in and process on this thread!

 

[StevieNixs]

It isn't; I am not Japanese and have never been to the country but I have researched some methods and they were used by those living in Japan and a lot of articles whether scientific or news-based commented that the equipment used in a lot of non-hanging suicides have been restricted and hard to get as a result. Buddhism and other east-asian religions have suicide punishing you when you're born again after death

Those in Latin America, Africa and almost all of Asia have lowish suicide rates, if you're not including suicide bombings, and their cultures would be considered anti-suicide/prolife by a lot of people here yet they aren't western.
As much as I hate NYTimes and fix32 or whatever they're called, claiming that it's the west that started this is silly. I dont know the reasons as of why suicide is seen in a very negative before you ask

The complicated concept of suicide in Japan

As many are aware, Japan has a notably high suicide rate. While it is far from the world's highest-risk nation in the world, or even in the developed world—either Russia or South Korea depending upon the source—it is unusually high for a culture that stresses peace and happiness. Understandably...

japantoday.com

"Historically, Japan has been described as having a tolerant attitude towards suicide. As an act which is, in the words of the noted anthropologist Emiko Ohnuki-Tierney, "elevated to the level of an esthetic experience," it has sometimes been considered a morally responsible decision"

The rest of your comment make little sense and does not address what I have said. Judeo-Christian religion dominate discourse. They are the oldest religions. They have always rejected the concept of suicide. This discourse has spread to other countries which have similar religions - notably in Africa and Latin America. Similarly the countries with the highest suicide rates DO feature many African countries and two Afro-South American countries.
1, Guyana
2. Lesotho
5. Suriname
6. Cote D'Ivoire
8. Equatorial Guinea
11. Uganda
12. Cameroon
13 Zimbabwe
15. Nigeria

SUICIDE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

Interactive Charts and Maps that Rank Suicide as a Cause of Death for every country in the World.

www.worldlifeexpectancy.com

My point - again is that suicide is tolerated in Japan. I have researched this country and have reached the opposite conclusion to yourself. We will beg to differ. Suicide is not tolerated for the most part in countries where the Judeo-Christian or Abrahamic religions are prevalent - including places like Iran, Saudi Arabia, European countries, North America, the UK.

Also I can do without someone who has been on SS for two minutes or rather twelve days - calling me silly. Thank you.

 

[No Unique Abilities]

The complicated concept of suicide in Japan

As many are aware, Japan has a notably high suicide rate. While it is far from the world's highest-risk nation in the world, or even in the developed world—either Russia or South Korea depending upon the source—it is unusually high for a culture that stresses peace and happiness. Understandably...

japantoday.com

"Historically, Japan has been described as having a tolerant attitude towards suicide. As an act which is, in the words of the noted anthropologist Emiko Ohnuki-Tierney, "elevated to the level of an esthetic experience," it has sometimes been considered a morally responsible decision"

The rest of your comment make little sense and does not address what I have said. Judeo-Christian religion dominate discourse. They are the oldest religions. They have always rejected the concept of suicide. This discourse has spread to other countries which have similar religions - notably in Africa and Latin America. Similarly the countries with the highest suicide rates DO feature many African countries and two Afro-South American countries.
1, Guyana
2. Lesotho
5. Suriname
6. Cote D'Ivoire
8. Equatorial Guinea
11. Uganda
12. Cameroon
13 Zimbabwe
15. Nigeria

SUICIDE DEATH RATE BY COUNTRY

Interactive Charts and Maps that Rank Suicide as a Cause of Death for every country in the World.

www.worldlifeexpectancy.com

My point - again is that suicide is tolerated in Japan. I have researched this country and have reached the opposite conclusion to yourself. We will beg to differ. Suicide is not tolerated for the most part in countries where the Judeo-Christian or Abrahamic religions are prevalent - including places like Iran, Saudi Arabia, European countries, North America, the UK.

Also I can do without someone who has been on SS for two minutes or rather twelve days - calling me silly. Thank you.

people believe because they have been told to since they were children. Most of these imbeciles have not even read the scripture on which their beliefs are based. It's a pile of mutually exclusive nonsense. Just propaganda for mob control. Unfortunately, there are a lot of these idiots, so it is what it is. morons do what they're told without thinking. They don't accept logical-emotional arguments. Their beliefs are above that.
That's because charlatans instill it in young children, when their brains are flexible and it all starts to work like instinct.
In fact, these idiots aren't even aware that they don't really have free choice.
There have been so many Christian invasions of other countries in the past.
Of course, no one will read about this in a history book, because it is inconvenient information.
Even the people who are leaving religion nowadays, religion is still strongly visible in their views and behavior, because it has been instilled into their brains, as I wrote earlier.
True is that people would be more developed than they are today without the two biggest toxic religions, islam, christianity + jewish shit in the background

 

[WoAiGou]

Fuck the NYT, manufacturing consent for war for decades, killing millions of innocent people, then wagging their fingers at those suffering in a world they (The NYT) helped destroy.

It's all about them wanting to feel like they're good decent people, there's no actual interest in doing good, decent things.

Clown world.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I hate how these kinds of people always assume being arrested and sent to the psych ward is the only solution for the severely suicidal. You're telling me that the only way to make me not want to kill myself is to lock me up in a facility and strip me of my freedoms where I wouldn't even be allowed to use my smartphone or video games which are the only remaining sources of joy in my already bleak existence? That's like using dry air to quench thirst for someone dehydrated. Real smart, guys. Next they're going to cure cancer by injecting radioactive waste. What a breakthrough.

 

[TheBestUsernameEver]

I hate how these kinds of people always assume being arrested and sent to the psych ward is the only solution for the severely suicidal. You're telling me that the only way to make me not want to kill myself is to lock me up in a facility and strip me of my freedoms where I wouldn't even be allowed to use my smartphone or video games which are the only remaining sources of joy in my already bleak existence? That's like using dry air to quench thirst for someone dehydrated. Real smart, guys. Next they're going to cure cancer by injecting radioactive waste. What a breakthrough.

I agree with this to a point.
I don't think it is appropriate to essentially treat su***dal people as we do criminals, by depriving them of their liberty.
That being said, some (possibly the majority of) people do recover (presumably why we have a recovery forum) and the alternative is just to let people wander off and end their lives with no inhibition.
Unfortunately, both paths lead to undesirable outcomes. Society's whole approach to mental health needs to be reexamined.

 

[Rational man]

It's a fact that trained suicide councillors NEVER tell a suicidal person not to do it.

Thats an interesting point because we could suppose they had a duty to report us to the authorities!. How does The Samaritans deal with this on the help lines.? Medical drs are ethically bound to intervene if they know. where I live, we have patrols from the church chaplaincy that attempt to pursued people not to jump from the clifftops.

 

[StevieNixs]

Thats an interesting point because we could suppose they had a duty to report us to the authorities!. How does The Samaritans deal with this on the help lines.? Medical drs are ethically bound to intervene if they know. where I live, we have patrols from the church chaplaincy that attempt to pursued people not to jump from the clifftops.

The Samaritans will not intervene to stop you. In fact in the past when I contacted them, they stated they would "be there with me at the end" and they would then terminate the call when the line went quiet This is rooted in the philosophy of their founder - Chad Varah. I found this surprising - in a positive way. I once relayed this information to a therapist, she did not believe me so I recorded part of the call on my phone and played it back to her - the part where the Samaritans say this. I also told her that if she did not believe me - phone them up, tell them she was suicidal and ask if they would be there with her at the end and listen to what their response was. Of course, I'd rather she didn't waste their time, but I was trying to make a point. The only time they will intervene is if you want help, change your mind or tell them your location before you make such an attempt. Then, apparently they are obliged to seek help for you.
I asked my therapist how she could "square this circle"? the Samaritans will not intervene and believe in autonomy of decision., but if you told a therapist what you would tell one of these helplines, you'd be sectioned and detained before you could say 5150 hold (ok I know that is the American version of sectioning someone!).