Method Potassium Nitrate; A cheaper and un-bannable alternative to SN.

[pharmacoepia]

Lul. You got a whole CN tower here. Time to add to it.

Yes. I agree. But this varies. Depending on the what the product is. Poison? Meds?
Many if not all.
toxicology reports.
Work place hazards, even drugs or Sars etc.
Have gotten information this way.

if it works out this way. 100s 1000s of test can be done to end up with 1-3 safe products.
Yes they will order it if it to prevent something.
Not order more poison for people.

Yes it can give you a little higher than rough estimate on how to poison your self.
Compared to a rat.
But with little.Yet very blunt information on what it would actually do to the human body.
Unless you find a study with that exact experience on purpose or by accident.
Eg - shuts down liver. Blue nails.
How much pain? Burning?Puke?Bleeding?
Convulsions? Etc.

I get the comparison aspect of it for the drug amount it self.
(in theory it should work)
But it leaves everything else out of the question.
(Complications,aftermath,during etc)
Especially when you're comparing it to SN. Which has tons of information to back it up.
On how the trips actually went. Good or bad.
The way you phrased the OP and said things was like.
YO THIS IS LIKE SN NO PROBLEM YUMMY.
with zero human experience. All theory.

Are you high? Poor logic? It's common sense.
Yah boofing can be less painful comparing it to frequent needle users with damaged arms and veins. Or damaged nose tissue.
That's with proven drugs. With millions of case studys. And even boofing long/short term has side effects/risk.
On top of that you missed the point.

Eg- What if someone went out and bought 94%PN. The same PN used for trees. And puts that in their ass. Wtf you think is gonna happen? This is why i raised the concern.
What purity %?
What exact PN ? Product? Compound only?
Other meds needed?
Availability? Etc.
How else does it effect the body? Other than just saying like SN. Because it's not proven.

You're really reaching now.
The amount. The use. The purity. The way its engineered. Administered. Etc. Completely different with known information.

HOW DO YOU KNOW PN will be peaceful. Have you set up a IV for someone with it?

I didn't really say too much on this just that maybe not put it directly in your blood with out knowing for sure.

I didn't dig at all. That post keeps popping up. Because people are asking wtf are you talking about. I said it in a nice way. And with please.
You told the dude that
Heroin/baking soda = crack.
And to fucking smoke it. Untill OD occurs.
And said to IV it as well.
You have zero right to be telling people to smoke Crack my guy. Especially when you don't know wtf is in it. And have probably never seen it in your life.

Not the point. If I miss typed something or didn't mention it correctly. It's still not the point. Baking soda Coke whatever it was. The whole post made zero sense.

No it was Heroin.

You ok? It's not off topic.
I'm not trying to say anything, nor did I say that.
I clearly stated that it was the 3rd or 4th post I've seen of you giving out bad/not tested information/instructions. To people. That could cause failed attempts.
The user before you posted a very helpful post. In regards to Heroin use.
And this is a poor attempt to try and get people to be guinea pigs with PN via IV.

Well you mentioned it in the title and in the body. But that's besides the point.

Ah I see. So you've personally tested PN on animals. Or humans with an IV ?
What other chemicals work like SN I'm curious. Why has NO ONE ever mentioned these in YEARS of studies. People that have hands on experience with CTB. and are smarter than both you and I.
Mr.pharmacologist.
when and where are you doing these studies.
Or are you just reading things on pubchem and coming up with your own conclusions.?

No worries.
But someone with your high education and well versed instructions on Iv use, should know big daddy government can ban/restrict wtf ever they want.

LUL WHAT???
I'm not sure what you're on.
But I want some.
( if you have some type of disability and you're paranoid all the time. I apologize.)

You did. And are doing it again.

Just because you throw out a couple well versed scientific paragraphs.
100mg this. IV that.
Doesn't really cover whats needed when talking about CTB. It is a portion of it. Yes.
But not everything. Especially with a unknown and unused substance.

This was in relation to your OP. You're telling people to buy PN. Eat/IV/up ass
But you didn't say what purity the PN should be. Or what else needs to be combined etc.
Someone goes to the store:
Oh look this tree stuff has 94% PN in it.
Swallows it thinking it's like SN and their throat burns away.
Someone orders it online:
Oh look 99% PN. Does a IV drip not knowing that it needs to be diluted down to 60% and their arm starts burning. Blood clot. Etc.
Who knows????

Shouldn't you be listing this if you're telling people to use it ?? Or atleast mention this.

It's not an argument.
Did you test this out? On an animal or human?
If not, don't tell people to do it.
Or atleast say in theory
and your not 100% sure.
Plain and simple.
You were wrong to.do this and you're having a hard time realizing that.

Yah on paper. It has some similarities. Doesn't mean it will react the EXACT same way. Not in reality.
Just because they both cause methemoglobinemia doesn't mean anything.
It could be in the right direction. And I even said thank you for that.
But untill someone in a controlled environment actually tests this out. You can't be certain.
You're acting as if you have already.
by pushing the information the way you did in your OP.

paranoia ? You said your scared to change the post title.
Wtf are you talking about.
This is a chemical going into your body.
People are allowed to be concerned.
And ask questions.

Are you 12? Or a creeper 40 year old cuck.?

No one said they don't have similar effects. but that doesn't mean they will have with 100% certainty.
The same outcome during or afterwards.

Once again you might have some type of education in the field and are well versed. Or you could have just copy pasta this from pubchem either way it has nothing to do with putting PN into your body.

The heroin post.

heroin

my drug dealer told me he has access to heroin. i know heroin is an opiate, so overdosing on it should be pretty peaceful. despite my knowledge on the drug itself , i have no knowledge on how to inject it and all other than movies. does anyone have any reliable sources on how to inject...

sanctioned-suicide.net

OK, now I get what your actually saying. I'm sorry for the past aggression.

Now I understand your main concern about purity and the unknown variables. I now apologize. For some reason, when I click on your link it wont let me edit it. Oh well, the comments debunking it are good in lieu of the edit. I didn't understand that you were commenting about safety rather than efficacy.

You make a fair point. I won't be deleting this post for archival and information purposes, but I'll let the future users of the site go through this old thread for your admittedly good points mushed in between the ad hominem's.

I guess we will wait until somebody takes a shit load of PN. Then we can evaluate in practice. While I do still believe that PN probably won't deviate far enough from the effects of SN due to its similar mechanisms, I think your cautious stance is right. Unfortunately, if SN gets really restricted, then we will probably have to get Exit International to research into PN or other alternatives, or some sort of approved euthanasia medication in the countries that allow it.

Let's consider this argument done unless you want to bring up more concerns. I think for the most part we agree on each other now that the miscommunication has been torn down.

 

[squirley]

OK, now I get what your actually saying. I'm sorry for the past aggression.

No worries no aggression. All good.

Now I understand your main concern about purity and the unknown variables. I now apologize. For some reason, when I click on your link it wont let me edit it. Oh well, the comments debunking it are good in lieu of the edit. I didn't understand that you were commenting about safety rather than efficacy.

I didn't know how else to explain it. May have not been the best way. I'm glad my examples somewhat explained it.
thanks for reading it.
After a certain time I don't think edit works.

You make a fair point. I won't be deleting this post for archival and information purposes, but I'll let the future users of the site go through this old thread for your admittedly good points mushed in between the ad hominem's.

Everyone made good points and it's good information over all. Questions/Answers
hopefully it can be developed into something. Who knows atleast it will be here.

I guess we will wait until somebody takes a shit load of PN. Then we can evaluate in practice.

A lot. A little.
First one to take the dive for science.
And others.

While I do still believe that PN probably won't deviate far enough from the effects of SN due to its similar mechanisms, I think your cautious stance is right.

I agree and agree.

Unfortunately, if SN gets really restricted, then we will probably have to get Exit International to research into PN or other alternatives, or some sort of approved euthanasia medication in the countries that allow it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are already looking into SN alternatives.
For that exact purpose.
You could always tweet at Philip lul.
Maid has their cocktail listed publicly but i have no idea what could duplicate/mimic that.
(available to purchase personally)
Guess that's the challenge.

Let's consider this argument done unless you want to bring up more concerns. I think for the most part we agree on each other now that the miscommunication has been torn down.

Yah man glad to see we met in the middle and this information furthers. Hopefully for the better.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Case Report: A non-fatal intoxication with a high-dose sodium nitrate

A 67-year-old man accidentally ingested 75 g of sodium nitrate. He had instant gastrointestinal symptoms. On physical examination, he was respiratorily and haemodynamically stable and there were no signs of central or peripheral cyanosis. Repeated ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"The lethal oral dose of potassium nitrate for an adult has been estimated to be between 4 and 30 g (about 40–300 mg NO3/kg)."

 

[StarFaded]

This is interesting. Hell, if it's legit I'll do my part in documenting it once the time comes. Gotta start somewhere.

Bless you and I'm EXTREMELY grateful. I really don't want to have to jump off a building but it's my go to method at this point and it's causing me so much stress just thinking about it. I'm desperate for a kinder, gentler method to exit this cruel world.

 

[lionetta12]

What would the possible side effects of this be if ingested through the mouth instead of IV? The same as with SN? Like bad taste and potentional vomiting?

 

[watchingthebuses]

Jfc the amount of misinformation they're spreading is insane. With IV, you have to worry about things like extravasation and volume of injection. If the mOsm is off, injection will definitely be irritating/painful. Normal range of potassium in your body has a much smaller range compared to other electrolytes because, yes, it is much more impactful than other electrolytes to be out of range. You don't need to have pure potassium to raise potassium level in your body. KPhos, for example, for every 10 mmol of KPhos has 15 mEq of potassium. Each 10 mEq of K raises your potassium level by 0.1. So cardiac effect depends on how much mEq of potassium you're introducing to your body with KN. If your vein didn't blow first from injecting it. If your injection solution is not sterile, which it probably wouldn't be, you also have the risk of blood infection. You're gonna be a hot steaming mental mess, probably end up in hospital suffering for days if you end up being septic. So not the best option I would say to follow someone's theoretical solution. Maybe someone will try and post their result as it's happening or if it fails, until then I would refrain from injecting stuff in your vein from internet theories.

 

[leftdreaming]

Bless you and I'm EXTREMELY grateful. I really don't want to have to jump off a building but it's my go to method at this point and it's causing me so much stress just thinking about it. I'm desperate for a kinder, gentler method to exit this cruel world.

I probably won't, sorry to disappoint. I'd love to do my part, but after watching this thread turn into a debate I find it too questionable, especially when I have other options.

 

[StarFaded]

I probably won't, sorry to disappoint. I'd love to do my part, but after watching this thread turn into a debate I find it too questionable, especially when I have other options.

No it's ok, I understand. It's back to the drawing board for me I guess.... This is my life - Messy and painful right to the very end.

 

[picklemick]

So this seems to be a theory only. Sad.

 

[dialogos]

people should remember to read the thread right to the end. squirley and leftdreaming raised excellent points. iv method for potassium nitrate is like pouring salt onto an open wound. its why sn is ingested orally and not thru iv. im glad squirley is still here and was adamant on his views