VivaldiBR
Experienced
- Oct 4, 2020
- 249
Saw a thread today about it, but the options were limited.
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Feel free to tell yours if the choices don't contemplate you.
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Feel free to tell yours if the choices don't contemplate you.
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DocNo
whatever
- Oct 30, 2020
- 1,725
funny that you refer liberalism as center right.
i generally find it funny that liberalism doesn't get more differentiated into society liberalism and economic liberalism.
cause in my view this two definitions don't work together.
economic liberalism with big companies leads to homogeneous society structures cause it's easier to calculate and handle.
and big companies tend to take more influence on government decisions that politics works more in the corporate interest which leads to more imbalance like we see it now that the top 1% owns more than the bottom 50%.
society liberalism is more heterogeneous. allows more civil freedoms which makes it maybe a bit more difficult to handle. but combined with a more regulated economic approach it would give people more options to develop a free life without always having to care about economic survival and to be more of a human than a consumer.
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i guess that it is also part of the brainwash to push the society liberalism into the social democratic corner so it can be better sold as the evil "nearly communist" dystopia.
i generally find it funny that liberalism doesn't get more differentiated into society liberalism and economic liberalism.
cause in my view this two definitions don't work together.
economic liberalism with big companies leads to homogeneous society structures cause it's easier to calculate and handle.
and big companies tend to take more influence on government decisions that politics works more in the corporate interest which leads to more imbalance like we see it now that the top 1% owns more than the bottom 50%.
society liberalism is more heterogeneous. allows more civil freedoms which makes it maybe a bit more difficult to handle. but combined with a more regulated economic approach it would give people more options to develop a free life without always having to care about economic survival and to be more of a human than a consumer.
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i guess that it is also part of the brainwash to push the society liberalism into the social democratic corner so it can be better sold as the evil "nearly communist" dystopia.
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VivaldiBR
Experienced
- Oct 4, 2020
- 249
waterstrider
cold
- Nov 29, 2020
- 400
I don’t think any political system will ever work to everyone’s satisfaction.
We are too many people working on too many different goals while literally not caring about the planet (and it’s resources) we are on at all.
I don’t see that working with capitalism for much longer since we can’t have growth until all eternity and some day the system will collapse.
I‘d describe myself as apolitical because I hate all the current parties or ways of thinking how to keep up the system (too right or too left - sucks both and won’t really change anything).
The only way humans could work together would be in small communities with max. 150 people where everyone got assigned their own task to do. Everyone would strive to live in peace with everyone else since everyone knew each other and actually care...nowadays you don’t even care about your neighbors anymore and are taught to be the most egoistic being you can be.
That’s the wrong way of living.
Look at indigenous people - they have less material possessions of course but lead an overall better life since they have an actual community.
We are too many people working on too many different goals while literally not caring about the planet (and it’s resources) we are on at all.
I don’t see that working with capitalism for much longer since we can’t have growth until all eternity and some day the system will collapse.
I‘d describe myself as apolitical because I hate all the current parties or ways of thinking how to keep up the system (too right or too left - sucks both and won’t really change anything).
The only way humans could work together would be in small communities with max. 150 people where everyone got assigned their own task to do. Everyone would strive to live in peace with everyone else since everyone knew each other and actually care...nowadays you don’t even care about your neighbors anymore and are taught to be the most egoistic being you can be.
That’s the wrong way of living.
Look at indigenous people - they have less material possessions of course but lead an overall better life since they have an actual community.
Honestly politics is so depressing i don’t pay attention to it much so idk
VivaldiBR
Experienced
- Oct 4, 2020
- 249
this is very similar to anarchism or the final stage of communism. Read about EZLN or Spanish Civil War.
Institutional politics is really bad, but politics is not just about elections and political parties. You can do politics outside government institutions.
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waterstrider
cold
- Nov 29, 2020
- 400
I know...I voted for anarchism in your poll. But I personally don’t want to call it that way because people think anarchism is just chaotic mayhem and I actually mean just „community based living with self formed rules“.
But thanks for the input.
epic
Enlightened
- Aug 9, 2019
- 1,595
You should have separated economic and social views, otherwise its too confusing . Personally, I hold views all over the political spectrum especially socially so I just voted centrist .
mahakaliSS_MahaDurga
Visionary
- Apr 2, 2020
- 2,404
I was about to make the same point. I am not sure what is the difference between liberalism (center right) and conservatism in this poll.
sadworld
existence is a nightmare
- Aug 25, 2020
- 3,870
Conservative. At least they accept reality. They make everybody feel good as they fuck you. As they say: keep the kids happy.
VisionsOfHell
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- Oct 31, 2020
- 259
The current generation of feminisation of society has no capacity for fascism or any political stand which requires guts.
Conservative without the Bible involved. I share some progressive values as well such as gay marriage, climate change, and pro-choice. I have a strong work ethic and don't believe that my money should be used to fund social safety nets for people who leech off the system unless they're disabled.
VivaldiBR
Experienced
- Oct 4, 2020
- 249
Liberal (center-right) is liberal on social views and economic views
Conservative is conservative on social views and liberal on economic views.
TheSoulless
I'd like to fly but my wings have been so denied
- Jan 7, 2020
- 1,046
I agree with all of this. "Apolitical" is a nice word.
DocNo
whatever
- Oct 30, 2020
- 1,725
i would myself describe as very political but hate politics cause it's just a shitshow to distract people.
your view on smaller communities is definitely interesting and i also think more and more that we should try to create smaller units. this centralism of super-huge structures brings the decision-makers too far away from the people who have to live with this decisions and even good intentions have often bad consequences.
and of course it will always be a permanent way of change but i guess it should be at least to be a goal to satisfy the needs of most people and not just the infamous 1%.
but yeah i know - wake up old man - people are shit ^^
history shows us right now that it seems to be a permanent fight for freedom and if it is taken for granted it will be quickly lost.
StringPuppet
Lost
- Oct 5, 2020
- 581
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 1,868
Honestly this poll isn't conclusive either. You should have gone with the 2 axes of the political compass.
Authoritarian left.
Authoritarian right.
Libertarian left.
Libertarian right.
This gives us much more insight into the political views of people than "center-right" or "anarchy". This could mean anything, depending on the political landscape of your country. Like, for example, "center-right" in Europe and in the US are 2 completely different things. Also, communism according to Marx is anarchistic in its nature. But not all anarchists are left-wing. What about democratic socialists? For example, my political views aren't covered in this poll at all.
Authoritarian left.
Authoritarian right.
Libertarian left.
Libertarian right.
This gives us much more insight into the political views of people than "center-right" or "anarchy". This could mean anything, depending on the political landscape of your country. Like, for example, "center-right" in Europe and in the US are 2 completely different things. Also, communism according to Marx is anarchistic in its nature. But not all anarchists are left-wing. What about democratic socialists? For example, my political views aren't covered in this poll at all.
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Amumu
Ctb - temporary solution for a permanent problem
- Aug 29, 2020
- 2,629
For those who are interested in history : the left-right axis in politics comes from the French Revolution.
During the constitutional monarchy (1789-1791), the absolute monarchists seated in the right of the assembly, the constitutional monarchists seated in the center of the assembly, and the Republicans seated in the left of the assembly. Since then, all democracies took this reference to see who is reactionary, who is conservative, who is radical.
You're right, but at least OP tried to make a poll which is more exhaustive than the last one.
I'd be in the lower-right corner, near the center for both aspects btw.
Come on sad, we'd be glad to hear your views.
It seems that abstention is much higher for depressed people. I've never voted yet, probably due to that reason among others.
During the constitutional monarchy (1789-1791), the absolute monarchists seated in the right of the assembly, the constitutional monarchists seated in the center of the assembly, and the Republicans seated in the left of the assembly. Since then, all democracies took this reference to see who is reactionary, who is conservative, who is radical.
You're right, but at least OP tried to make a poll which is more exhaustive than the last one.
I'd be in the lower-right corner, near the center for both aspects btw.
Come on sad, we'd be glad to hear your views.
It seems that abstention is much higher for depressed people. I've never voted yet, probably due to that reason among others.
Dr Iron Arc
Into the Unknown
- Feb 10, 2020
- 17,644
VisionsOfHell
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- Oct 31, 2020
- 259
I can't really answer because my political and economic views depend on my state of mind, which is fickle and weak but that's how it is. Might be anarcho-syndicalist one day and wish for fascism the next because of neurochemical fluctuations.