Police came about IC (UK)

[Ume]

Just had two policemen in my room late this evening asking about the SN I ordered soon before IC was shut down. They said it's a National Crime Agency investigation, and wanted to know when I'd ordered it, when it arrived, the site, what I'd searched for to find it (they said they'd heard it was a suicide kit and asked a lot about how I'd found it), whether I was part of any groups or pacts, whether I had anything similar... took the package, kept saying anything I do online might be traced and my activity would all be looked at. Said life isn't easy, but how I'd traumatise my mum if I do anything. They were really nice and kept asking if they could help. But they're living in a different world to me... and I don't want to be trapped here. I've been crying since they left. They took a load of information about me... even if my mum stopped checking my packages over time (she took the SN last time), I don't know how I could order anything I need for a peaceful method on the clearnet anymore. Everything feels impossible. My mum was the one to get the door and massively shaken up over it, so I feel so guilty on top of everything else.

Partly wanted to vent, partly wanted to give people a heads up.

 

[Raven2]

I'm sorry this happened to you ume. Are you in the UK?

 

[Ume]

I'm sorry this happened to you ume. Are you in the UK?

Thanks Fairydust. Yeah, I'm in the UK.

 

[Letgo]

I am so sorry. Keeping you and your mom in my thoughts.

 

[no.factory.farms]

Just had two policemen in my room late this evening asking about the SN I ordered soon before IC was shut down. They said it's a National Crime Agency investigation, and wanted to know when I'd ordered it, when it arrived, the site, what I'd searched for to find it (they said they'd heard it was a suicide kit and asked a lot about how I'd found it), whether I was part of any groups or pacts, whether I had anything similar... took the package, kept saying anything I do online might be traced and my activity would all be looked at. Said life isn't easy, but how I'd traumatise my mum if I do anything. They were really nice and kept asking if they could help. But they're living in a different world to me... and I don't want to be trapped here. I've been crying since they left. They took a load of information about me... even if my mum stopped checking my packages over time (she took the SN last time), I don't know how I could order anything I need for a peaceful method on the clearnet anymore. Everything feels impossible. My mum was the one to get the door and massively shaken up over it, so I feel so guilty on top of everything else.

Partly wanted to vent, partly wanted to give people a heads up.

So were they basically telling you they were watching your online activity now? I'm so sorry for this experience and thank you for posting it.

 

[Jezzibell]

How terrifying for you. Its strange because its not illegal to have it or even buy it.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just so horrible what is happening to people. I wish we lived in a world where there was acceptance towards the fact that many people want to die, the police should just leave suicidal people alone, like yes death makes other people sad but don't they realise that we are all going to die anyway. Guilt tripping and then removing the SN is cruel, these people honestly only create more suffering.

 

[Ume]

I am so sorry. Keeping you and your mom in my thoughts.

Thanks so much.

 

[Letgo]

That's what we're here for.

 

[Ume]

So were they basically telling you they were watching your online activity now? I'm so sorry for this experience and thank you for posting it.

He made it sound like they'd almost definitely be looking at it, but I don't know if they'd really bother. But I wouldn't have expected them to go to people's houses about their orders either.

 

[no.factory.farms]

He made it sound like they'd almost definitely be looking at it, but I don't know if they'd really bother. But I wouldn't have expected them to go to people's houses about their orders either.

Thank you for the info. The FBI contacted my parents about my order. I wouldn't be surprised if they watch my online activity. I'm hoping they aren't/they can't, but who knows. Police everywhere sure love to invade people's privacy.

They really shouldn't be allowed to look at our online activity at all. We haven't committed a crime.

 

[Ume]

How terrifying for you. Its strange because its not illegal to have it or even buy it.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect them to go so far when it's legal. They seemed to very much be viewing it as somebody selling suicide kits, and they partly seemed there to check on my mental health but they also wanted any evidence of the order itself. I don't really see how the original site can be held responsible for what we do with the product if it's legal to sell it, but I do wonder what's happening to them now multiple countries are getting involved.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

Came to me too just now. Living in UK as well. Interpol busted IC and contacted UK Police to check up on anyone who ordered revealing their name and address. They said I was the only one in my area but there were quite a few Police around. Don't know what to feel.

 

[unnormal9]

Said life isn't easy,

I see the serpent coiled before me.
Spare me the quiddities, it is easier said from one not writhing in chronic pain everyday.

asking if they could help.

By means of involuntary hospitalization and the psych ward.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

I see the serpent coiled before me.
Spare me the quiddities, it is easier said from one not writhing in chronic pain everyday.

By means of involuntary hospitalization and the psych ward.

They can't in UK unless you are caught mid-CTB. But they didn't tell me straight away, I asked. Adjacent industry, worked with many Police folks, sort of knew what to say.

 

[Ume]

It's just so horrible what is happening to people. I wish we lived in a world where there was acceptance towards the fact that many people want to die, the police should just leave suicidal people alone, like yes death makes other people sad but don't they realise that we are all going to die anyway. Guilt tripping and then removing the SN is cruel, these people honestly only create more suffering.

One policeman was talking about me going through a tough time right now. I don't think most people have any idea how much people can suffer for years or decades. There's this idea that suicidal ideation is always temporary, but if you can't fix your problems, if your depression or other conditions have physical causes and you can't find treatment, its different. I lost a parent a few years ago and it was and is so upsetting, and of course for some people loss can cause severe mental health problems. Losing a child is just horrific. But for me that loss was nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the suffering I've had as far back as I can remember from living with my conditions. Painful as it was, it actually distracted me from something infinitely worse. When I talk to mental health professionals they often talk as if I've been depressed for a few months, not a lifetime, and it feels so alienating I never really know what to say back. We're just living in such different realities. I wanted a life where I could feel okay and happy, and just enjoy life like other people, and I know that's what people want for me. But it feels like they don't want to see the reality. They just want me to fit into theirs somehow.

 

[FireWalkWithMe]

Happened to me as well sadly. Seems quite the coordinated effort for it all it be going off at the same time.

 

[mediocre]

This is very concerning.. I worry all the time about where the U.K. in particular is heading.. it seems to be getting more authoritarian as each days passes.. you can't even buy a legal
Product without the police harassing you!

 

[Ume]

Thank you for the info. The FBI contacted my parents about my order. I wouldn't be surprised if they watch my online activity. I'm hoping they aren't/they can't, but who knows. Police everywhere sure love to invade people's privacy.

They really shouldn't be allowed to look at our online activity at all. We haven't committed a crime.

Wow, I'm sorry they contacted your parents. No, it's seriously invasive.

 

[Kta1994]

Im really worried and disgusted about whats been happening

 

[Outandproud]

They won't look at you all online activity, you are not doing anything illegal. They just said that to scare and try to prevent a future suicide. But yeah, its shit they are invading peoples houses like that and idk if its legal really, they had a search warrant?
They took you somewhere to do a formal interview or give you a court date?

 

[Ume]

They won't look at you all online activity, you are not doing anything illegal. They just said that to scare and try to prevent a future suicide. But yeah, its shit they are invading peoples houses like that and idk if its legal really, they had a search warrant?
They took you somewhere to do a formal interview or give you a court date?

Well, I was(am) hoping that's all it was. Can't speak for anyone else here or in other countries, but in my case they weren't forceful about it. I didn't refuse to talk to them and I willingly answered their questions. I didn't want to give them my personal information but I didn't want to make things worse so I just gave them what they wanted, except with the questions about how/where I found IC, whether other people were involved, etc. I'm only answering questions about myself. Most of it they knew already, or they could find it out easily whether I told them or not.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

Tbh there is a limit to what they can do at least in EU, especially in countries like France or Germany where data privacy laws are extremely strict. When I worked in computer forensics for a multinational it was nigh impossible to gather evidence from those areas. I don't know about UK but they likely will have only access to some top level information but won't be able to drill down into what you write or post, not without additional authorization if any exists, anyway.

For example some security scanners used to support investigatrions into phishing incidents may tell you what the users clicked and what actions they took in say, Outlook, but not the contents of what they write or in some cases not even the titles of emails and such.

 

[Leagueofgentlemen]

I've noticed a flurry of these threads today, sorry to hear that it must have been so stressful and scary.

 

[Gonnerr]

Ive seen too many report about police welfare check up , watch out , it could be false pro lifers account scaring you to throw your SN in garbage.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

Came to me too just now. Living in UK as well. Interpol busted IC and contacted UK Police to check up on anyone who ordered revealing their name and address. They said I was the only one in my area but there were quite a few Police around. Don't know what to feel.

Hahaha same shit. I went out for a walk and saw multiple police cars infront of multiple different homes. I guess many people secretly had some SN.

 

[PurpleParadigm]

Hahaha same shit. I went out for a walk and saw multiple police cars infront of multiple different homes. I guess many people secretly had some SN.

It would appear so, saw the Police cars while on walk too, many, even stopped and wanted to see what's up a few times. Came hope, got visited.

 

[dimstar]

Ive seen too many report about police welfare check up , watch out , it could be false pro lifers account scaring you to throw your SN in garbage.

That's just not true. Most people say they just showed up asked questions, very few actually took it without it being given to them. Dont throw it out. But be cautious and know your rights, it's not illegal you dont have to tell them anything your not comfortable with. It is happening to some.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

Why would the NCA care about people ordering SN, anyway? Don't they have actual harmful to society online crimes they need to be focused on?

They were being nice to you in the hopes that you'd open up and tell them about any potential suicide pacts, groups etc. Believe me, they don't give a fuck about you. I'm sorry your mum and you had to go through that. Further traumatising a mentally vulnerable person. What were they thinking?

 

[Kundalini Guy]

It would appear so, saw the Police cars while on walk too, many, even stopped and wanted to see what's up a few times. Came hope, got visited.

Seems like SN is totally dead as a CTB method now, I envy the people the ones who used it successfully from 2018-2022. My only hope is I get braver over time to try more brutal methods or if the guys at exit international include a new legal way.