please review my ctb plan (co poisoning)

[ella]

PLACE : In my kitchen, there is a space - width is 40 inches, length is 60 inches, height is 30 inches, consisting of only three walls on the floor. I have planned to cover the fourth space with a long polythene sheet (from amazon it says heat resistible).

PLAN : Place 2 kg of burned charcoal and seal it (wait for 1 hour) meanwhile use one more plastic sheet with 20 inches wide from the first plastic sheet. so when i want to go inside i will tear apart the first one and second sheet will act as the seal and make sure CO won't leak out.

Questions :

I planned to use double sided heavy duty tape (it was recommended by chatgpt) or should i use duct tape to seal?

I feel 2kg is enough, should i burn 3 or 4 kg to be on safe side?

Near there is stove and cooking LPG cylinder, should I move them out or it doesn't matter? What do you think about the chosen place, is it good?

I will be grateful for the answers, thank you.

 

[painfullife123]

It is hard to envision your place. Bottomline as long as the place is sealed should be ok.

Got to be careful about neighbours that your method won't leak to them. And also take note that weather/temperature is very important. In a hot&humid country, your method will become a suana.

 

[ella]

It is hard to envision your place. Bottomline as long as the place is sealed should be ok.

Got to be careful about neighbours that your method won't leak to them. And also take note that weather/temperature is very important. In a hot&humid country, your method will become a suana.

i haven't gave a thought about temperature, the weather will be 30 degree celsius, inside the house it will be less hot. omg what should i do? should i just withstand the heat?

i added a pic created by AI but kind of similar.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I planned to use double sided heavy duty tape (it was recommended by chatgpt) or should i use duct tape to seal?

I would use that metallic foil tape which is much more sticky.

I feel 2kg is enough, should i burn 3 or 4 kg to be on safe side?

I would always go with more. More is better. I'd use 18 lbs myself (8 kg) since you have no meter, apparently.

I see no issues with the LPG tank.

White hot charcoals, right, no longer smoking?

I wouldn't wait more than 1/2 hour myself. At 1 hour you stand the chance of the charcoals burning out.

Is this a house or an apartment? If an apartment, it could be dangerous for other tenants of the building.

 

[ella]

woah 8 kg?!!! I measured the space using tape - width is 40 inches, length is 60 inches, height is 30 inches. The cubic meter for the space will be around 2 to 3. It is like a storage area for vegetables with no door or shelves, inside the kitchen.

yes white hot charcoal briquettes

then i will reduce it to half an hour. thanks

it is a house, i will make sure there is huge sign to not enter and call ambulance.

 

[befree]

This is not a good plan.

Here you can find a proven guide:

Charcoal method advice

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Use a high quality duct tape. "Heat resistible" does not mean non flammable. And of course you can not do it near a LPG cylinder !!!
Please read the guide carefully.

 

[ella]

This is not a good plan.

Here you can find a proven guide:

Charcoal method advice

Hi, I somehow came across this site after some furious google searching over the weekend. After trying and failing other methods over the past month I came across back to the idea of carbon monoxide and decided to dig further into charcoal burning, of which there are plenty discussions on this...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Use a high quality duct tape. "Heat resistible" does not mean non flammable. And of course you can not do it near a LPG cylinder !!!
Please read the guide carefully.

yes i can change double sided heavy duty tape to metallic duct tape. I can move LPG cylinder out.

But i can't seem to find fire retarded plastic sheet, imported ones are so costly. Should I just give up this space?

help

 

[befree]

Should I just give up this space?

Yes, you should. I think it´s not the right place to do it.

 

[ella]

Yes, you should. I think it´s not the right place to do it.

I really appreciate your reply. at the same time i apologize for asking more.

I have a unused bathroom of 15 m3. burning 5kg of charcoal will be enough? seal windows with that same polythene sheet? duct tape the door?

significant problem is how do i enter the bathroom without co leaking out?

gosh i'm stressed out. I thought my plan is very good, prepared to ctb tomorrow evening. now i have to start again from the start. i have ordered 5kg of charcoal, polythene sheet and a chimney starter. i don't know what to do now. i know this method requires a lot of preparation and patience, my dumb brain is ruining it all.

 

[befree]

You have to light the BBQ outside and bring it inside when the coal glows evenly. You can also seal the windows with tape. You need at least 135 g coal per cubic meters of room air.

I really advise you to read the guide carefully first. You need to understand what CO is, how it works, and what mistakes are possible that can lead to failure. If you fail, permanent brain damage would be the result.

 

[90starve]

I have an unused bathroom of 15 m3. burning 5kg of charcoal will be enough?

15cbm x 135g charcoal = 2025g/2.025kg minimum lethal amount for this space. 5kg will be enough.

 

[ella]

You have to light the BBQ outside and bring it inside when the coal glows evenly. You can also seal the windows with tape. You need at least 135 g coal per cubic meters of room air.

I really advise you to read the guide carefully first. You need to understand what CO is, how it works, and what mistakes are possible that can lead to failure. If you fail, permanent brain damage would be the result.

there was a thread to calculate m3 * 0.135 = xxkg of charcoal. i did it, the required amount is only 2kg for 15m3. i did read all the threads available, at the end it is all confusing. wish i can smash my head against the wall to death like a orca whale.

15cbm x 135g charcoal = 2025g/2.025kg minimum lethal amount for this space. 5kg will be enough.

thank you, i have one doubt now, how do i enter the bathroom without co leaking out? this is the only problem i'm so scared of.

 

[90starve]

how do i enter the bathroom without co leaking out?

this isn't really something you can prevent. it will help to enter quickly and calmly, then seal with tape when inside. CO concentration will soon build back up

 

[ella]

@befree @90starve @locked*n*loaded
i found an abandoned house, it has 5.54 cubic meter room. but the room door have gaps underneath about 6 inches. The door gets stuck 3/4th of the way and also small box type gap for ventilation above the door. it got no windows. can i use that long polythene sheet to cover the entire door plus box gap. what do you think about this place? planned to burn 3 kg of charcoal.

i feel 15m3 is so big.

sorry for asking more, i won't ask any more questions, thank you.

 

[befree]

You can ask as many questions as you want. That's what this forum is for.

It´s difficult to answer this question without seeing the place. Whatever you use for sealing, it must be properly airtight !

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

that first place looks way too small. would you be able to fit in there with kgs of charcoal burning next to you in the summer? as for your bathroom - well in the ppeh, they ran a test in a 20' shipping container using only 1.5 kg of coal and were able to pass (according to them) 10,000 ppm.

 

[befree]

Many members of this forum agree that the PPH is not a reliable, but totally overpriced, book.
Ella, what kind of BBQ do you have ? How many kg of coal fit in there ? Are you going to use 2 BBQ ?

 

[90starve]

@befree @90starve @locked*n*loaded
i found an abandoned house, it has 5.54 cubic meter room. but the room door have gaps underneath about 6 inches. The door gets stuck 3/4th of the way and also small box type gap for ventilation above the door. it got no windows. can i use that long polythene sheet to cover the entire door plus box gap. what do you think about this place? planned to burn 3 kg of charcoal.

i feel 15m3 is so big.

sorry for asking more, i won't ask any more questions, thank you.

FIRSTLY, ask as many questions as you need. it's not annoying. we would rather you attempt this safely, than fail and land yourself with brain damage!

for this space, you will need at least 750g of charcoal. although, i'd recommend doubling it. as i have seen @befree @Praestat_Mori and @Unattainable666 discussing recently, i will be using two grills in my method just to be sure. - 3kg will be enough.

make sure that the gaps in the door/vent are completely sealed. i think the best way to achieve this would be by heavily taping down the polythene sheet to the inside. tape a good majority before entering the room for the final time, and tape the rest while inside.

 

[ella]

that first place looks way too small. would you be able to fit in there with kgs of charcoal burning next to you in the summer? as for your bathroom - well in the ppeh, they ran a test in a 20' shipping container using only 1.5 kg of coal and were able to pass (according to them) 10,000 ppm.

yes i can fit in, as befree stated polythene sheet is only heat resistance, it may catch on fire. i didn't know there is fire retardant sheet exists, most tents are made of fire retardant sheet.

ppeh is contradicting to the threads available here.

Many members of this forum agree that the PPH is not a reliable book.
Ella, what kind of BBQ do you have ? How many kg of coal fit in there ? Are you going to use 2 BBQ ?

large size chimney starter and planned to use 3 or 4 long rectangle steel trays. these trays can fit 5 kg of briquettes.

i don't know much about bbq. so i barely understand "kinds of BBQ". google shows kettle grills.

FIRSTLY, ask as many questions as you need. it's not annoying. we would rather you attempt this safely, than fail and land yourself with brain damage!

for this space, you will need at least 750g of charcoal. although, i'd recommend doubling it. as i have seen @befree @Praestat_Mori and @Unattainable666 discussing recently, i will be using two grills in my method just to be sure. - 3kg will be enough.

make sure that the gaps in the door/vent are completely sealed. i think the best way to achieve this would be by heavily taping down the polythene sheet to the inside. tape a good majority before entering the room for the final time, and tape the rest while inside.

thank you, me being annoying is definitely better.

i don't have grills. most threads say anything steel is ok, so planned to 3 or 4 steel trays.

exactly that's what i thought. heavy tape the polythene sheet. i will definitely do that. but the problem is door won't shut fully. after shutting quarter way, the door get stuck, it won't even budge. you can't lock the door. polythene sheet will act as a door here. the problem is door.


i can pm you the room if you don't get it.

 

[befree]

I wouldn´t use steel trays. Better buy high quality BBQ´s. Something like this:

https://www.bbqguys.com/weber/jumbo-joe-18-inch-portable-charcoal-grill-1211001

 

[painful existence]

If you have access to a small car then that would be much more reliable as it is pretty much air tight.
Another thing could be using a tent indoors.You can set up a small tent inside a room .Just make sure that the tent is air tight.

 

[90starve]

exactly that's what i thought. heavy tape the polythene sheet. i will definitely do that. but the problem is door won't shut fully. after shutting quarter way, the door get stuck, it won't even budge. you can't lock the door. polythene sheet will act as a door here. the problem is door.

the type of space you will be filling with CO doesn't matter, as long as it's fully sealed from fresh air. i would spend a short while just making sure that you have taped down all edges of the sheet - the door not shutting won't be a problem if this is done thoroughly.

@painful existence makes a good point about using a tent. do you have access to a tent? i will be using one in my method.

 

[ella]

If you have access to a small car then that would be much more reliable as it is pretty much air tight.
Another thing could be using a tent indoors.You can set up a small tent inside a room .Just make sure that the tent is air tight.

i'll go for tent. i'm scared of it melting down.

i don't have access to car

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

personally, i like the bathroom location since everything is ceramic and i would have water readily available in case something went wrong. if you really think the space is too large, maybe you can fit empty areas with solid objects to reduce the air capacity. heard a lot about tents but can they be hermetically sealed?. sounds like a lawsuit. i hope you think this through rationally.

 

[blueorchids]

Firstly, I'm very sorry to be the one person that speaks off-topic. It's your choice, by all means, but I beg for a chance to bring just a bit more insight to the option of life.

OP, and everyone on this thread:

I don't know the horrors of what you've been through, and I only know mine. It got to the point where I was severely suicidal and saw no point in continuing. I see a lot of myself reflected in your posts, and it really taught me that I was really never alone.

I suffered with eating disorders, severe loneliness, drug-use of relatives and the abuse that entailed. I have had no meaningful romantic relationships, even to this day, when I am possibly older than many of you. I had very little to be grateful for, to live for, just as you probably have, too. I felt hopeless, like I couldn't envision myself living till the next year.

But I'm still alive, and I am so thankful I am. There is so much life has to offer that isn't pain or heartbreak. You have so many sights left to see, so many people yet to meet. Please, before you consider ending things, if you feel doubt, please know you can talk to me.

I don't know you, yes. But I care about you so much. I cherish you. I'm proud of you for waking up and making it through today, as shitty as it may have been. I love you all. Please be well.

 

[ella]

personally, i like the bathroom location since everything is ceramic and i would have water readily available in case something went wrong. if you really think the space is too large, maybe you can fit empty areas with solid objects to reduce the air capacity. heard a lot about tents but can they be hermetically sealed?. sounds like a lawsuit. i hope you think this through rationally.

i don't want you get in trouble. i'm really grateful for your responses.

i'm really bad at rational thinking. i will try my best not to mess or hurt anyone.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

i don't want you get in trouble. i'm really grateful for your responses.

i'm really bad at rational thinking. i will try my best not to mess or hurt anyone.

you won't get me in trouble. i just don't want you to get harmed from any attempts.

 

[ella]

i have found 1*2 meter fire retardant blanket, and also i have fire retardant duct tape. blanket doesn't seem air proof, like @90starve said i can tape the entire blanket.



using this instead of long polythene sheet in my kitchen space. does it sound good or bad? @befree @MyChoiceAlone

 

[befree]

does it sound good or bad?

I would say bad. How do you want to tape the entire blanket ? You would need tons aof tape.
Can you post a photo or link that shows the blanket or the name of the product ?

a space - width is 40 inches, length is 60 inches, height is 30 inches, consisting of only three walls on the floor.

I just read your initial post again. 40x60 inches is very small. Where do you want to put the BBQ and where do you want to sit ?
Suppose you are sitting on a chair, which is not a good idea, and you fall over while unconscious. You could fall on the BBQ and a fire could start.
For this method you would have to lie down, but where in a 40x60 inches space? The more I think about it, the more I think it's not the right place.

 

[ella]

3 duct tape of 20 yards is enough. since i will seal two times. this 1*2 meter will perfectly cover the gap. @befree

I would say bad. How do you want to tape the entire blanket ? You would need tons aof tape.
Can you post a photo or link that shows the blanket or the name of the product ?

I just read your initial post again. 40x60 inches is very small. Where do you want to put the BBQ and where do you want to sit ?
Suppose you are sitting on a chair, which is not a good idea, and you fall over while unconscious. You could fall on the BBQ and a fire could start.
For this method you would have to lie down, but where in a 40x60 inches space? The more I think about it, the more I think it's not the right place.

oohhh my height is really small, so i can sit(cross legged) or reclined position down on the one end, and keep the charcoal of 2kgs on the other end. it felt like one man tent