Pentobarbital Alternative

[steve_s5]

I have a source that sells thiopental Sodium. The seller is legit. The problem is only that thiopental sodium is injected directly into the veins. I don't know how effective oral it would be, i know that it's more effective when directly trough a vein into the bloodline. The better oral version of Nembutal ( Pentobarbital ) would be Secobarbital, or Phenobarbital oral, but it's hard to get. And secobarbital is very expensive, 1 Bottle cost arround 3000$ that's too much for suicide.

In the United States, the following drug cocktail is used:

Thiopental Sodium ( 5000mg ) causes incision in 10-20 seconds.
potassium chloride ( stops the heart and causes death.
pancuronium bromide ( paralyze the muscle )

The last 2 drugs are not really necessary. A high dose of thiopental sodium will kill someone in 1 minute. But i must say it depends on every human how reacts differently the time until death is 1-30 minutes maximum sometimes maybe longer but generally according to reports the average death when someone became a lethal dosis secobarbital, or thiopental sodium was between 1-28 Minutes.


"Washington State became the second state in the US to use the single-dose sodium thiopental injections for executions. On September 10, 2010, the execution of Cal Coburn Brown was the first in the state to use a single-dose, single-drug injection. His death was pronounced approximately one and a half minutes after the intravenous administration of five grams of the drug." ​

I am currently in contact with the salesperson. I would order a small dose of thiopental sodium and I ask the seller if it could be drunken oral? When I have more news I will post it here in the Thread.

 

[eldiablo666]

Why would secobarb be better oral?

 

[steve_s5]

Why would secobarb be better oral?

Because Secobarbital has both an oral version, and a ( bottle - infusion ) where the thiopental sodium is only sold for infusion. I don't know not everyone has the courage to put a needle in the poor. Maybe some people want it to drink. Maybe. But otherwise, there is no big difference between Secobarbital and Theopental.

 

[actual_fox]

That is hella fast. Almost like fent

 

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

I have a source that sells thiopental Sodium. The seller is legit. The problem is only that thiopental sodium is injected directly into the veins. I don't know how effective oral it would be, i know that it's more effective when directly trough a vein into the bloodline. The better oral version of Nembutal ( Pentobarbital ) would be Secobarbital, or Phenobarbital oral, but it's hard to get. And secobarbital is very expensive, 1 Bottle cost arround 3000$ that's too much for suicide.

In the United States, the following drug cocktail is used:

Thiopental Sodium ( 5000mg ) causes incision in 10-20 seconds.
potassium chloride ( stops the heart and causes death.
pancuronium bromide ( paralyze the muscle )

The last 2 drugs are not really necessary. A high dose of thiopental sodium will kill someone in 1 minute. But i must say it depends on every human how reacts differently the time until death is 1-30 minutes maximum sometimes maybe longer but generally according to reports the average death when someone became a lethal dosis secobarbital, or thiopental sodium was between 1-28 Minutes.


"Washington State became the second state in the US to use the single-dose sodium thiopental injections for executions. On September 10, 2010, the execution of Cal Coburn Brown was the first in the state to use a single-dose, single-drug injection. His death was pronounced approximately one and a half minutes after the intravenous administration of five grams of the drug." ​

I am currently in contact with the salesperson. I would order a small dose of thiopental sodium and I ask the seller if it could be drunken oral? When I have more news I will post it here in the Thread.

Thanks for your research on this. I don't know if you have access to the April PPH ( it is or was available on this site when I downloaded it), but here is what they said:

Pentothal (thiopentone sodium)

For many years, Pentothal was the main intravenous induction
agent used in anaesthesia. Its use has declined in recent vears.
When given intravenously, most patients are asked by the
anaesthetist to count back from 10. Few get past 7 before
consciousness is lost.
Note: This is the primary drug used in lethal injections in
executions in the US. In November 2010, a worldwide shortage of the drug prompted the state of Oklahoma to investigate using
Nembutal as an alternative.
See: http:/labcn.ws/dPu2zr
Pentothal is marketed as soluble thiopentone sodium powder in
sterile ampoules. These are designed to be mixed with sterile
water before being administered intravenously. The powder
can be dissolved in water and taken orally with rapid effect. 10gm of the drug (the contents of
20 ampoules) dissolves rapidly in ~50ml of water, and if drunk leads to rapid loss of consciousness and death. Alcohol is a useful
Supplement

The drug is controlled and restricted, but can occasionally be sourced from markets on the dark web.

The photo below shows a small portable syringe driver set
up to provide a lethal intravenous administration of this drug.
Here the 50ml syringe is loaded with 10gm of pentobarbital,
the dissolved contents of the 20 ampules shown in the photo.

Exit has tested the vacuum-packing of 10gm of dry sodium
pentothal powder mixed with 1gm of phenytoin sodium. This
can be easily transported and stored. Reconstitution is then
carried out by breaking the vacuum seal and dissolving the
sachet of powder in ~50ml of water before drinking.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Thanks for your research on this. I don't know if you have access to the April PPH ( it is or was available on this site when I downloaded it), but here is what they said:

Pentothal (thiopentone sodium)

For many years, Pentothal was the main intravenous induction
agent used in anaesthesia. Its use has declined in recent vears.
When given intravenously, most patients are asked by the
anaesthetist to count back from 10. Few get past 7 before
consciousness is lost.
Note: This is the primary drug used in lethal injections in
executions in the US. In November 2010, a worldwide shortage of the drug prompted the state of Oklahoma to investigate using
Nembutal as an alternative.
See: http:/labcn.ws/dPu2zr
Pentothal is marketed as soluble thiopentone sodium powder in
sterile ampoules. These are designed to be mixed with sterile
water before being administered intravenously. The powder
can be dissolved in water and taken orally with rapid effect. 10gm of the drug (the contents of
20 ampoules) dissolves rapidly in ~50ml of water, and if drunk leads to rapid loss of consciousness and death. Alcohol is a useful
Supplement

The drug is controlled and restricted, but can occasionally be sourced from markets on the dark web.

The photo below shows a small portable syringe driver set
up to provide a lethal intravenous administration of this drug.
Here the 50ml syringe is loaded with 10gm of pentobarbital,
the dissolved contents of the 20 ampules shown in the photo.

Exit has tested the vacuum-packing of 10gm of dry sodium
pentothal powder mixed with 1gm of phenytoin sodium. This
can be easily transported and stored. Reconstitution is then
carried out by breaking the vacuum seal and dissolving the
sachet of powder in ~50ml of water before drinking.

I'm sorry I'm a bit slow.. can it be taken orally?
Sorry nevermind

 

[tosch]

Es tut mir leid, dass ich etwas langsam bin. Kann es oral eingenommen werden?
Tut mir leid, vergiss es

Yes

 

[eldiablo666]

Because Secobarbital has both an oral version, and a ( bottle - infusion ) where the thiopental sodium is only sold for infusion. I don't know not everyone has the courage to put a needle in the poor. Maybe some people want it to drink. Maybe. But otherwise, there is no big difference between Secobarbital and Theopental.

I mean why would it be better than N, you say this in your post

 

[Euthanza]

There are many videos on youtube to show you how to do IV injection, you can practice it with regular infusion; if you got the substance then it's a sure VIP way to go.

 

[steve_s5]

There are many videos on youtube to show you how to do IV injection, you can practice it with regular infusion; if you got the substance then it's a sure VIP way to go.

Yes absolutely it requires a lot of knowledge to do it correctly, but with little training it should be possible.

Thanks for your research on this. I don't know if you have access to the April PPH ( it is or was available on this site when I downloaded it), but here is what they said:

Pentothal (thiopentone sodium)

For many years, Pentothal was the main intravenous induction
agent used in anaesthesia. Its use has declined in recent vears.
When given intravenously, most patients are asked by the
anaesthetist to count back from 10. Few get past 7 before
consciousness is lost.
Note: This is the primary drug used in lethal injections in
executions in the US. In November 2010, a worldwide shortage of the drug prompted the state of Oklahoma to investigate using
Nembutal as an alternative.
See: http:/labcn.ws/dPu2zr
Pentothal is marketed as soluble thiopentone sodium powder in
sterile ampoules. These are designed to be mixed with sterile
water before being administered intravenously. The powder
can be dissolved in water and taken orally with rapid effect. 10gm of the drug (the contents of
20 ampoules) dissolves rapidly in ~50ml of water, and if drunk leads to rapid loss of consciousness and death. Alcohol is a useful
Supplement

The drug is controlled and restricted, but can occasionally be sourced from markets on the dark web.

The photo below shows a small portable syringe driver set
up to provide a lethal intravenous administration of this drug.
Here the 50ml syringe is loaded with 10gm of pentobarbital,
the dissolved contents of the 20 ampules shown in the photo.

Exit has tested the vacuum-packing of 10gm of dry sodium
pentothal powder mixed with 1gm of phenytoin sodium. This
can be easily transported and stored. Reconstitution is then
carried out by breaking the vacuum seal and dissolving the
sachet of powder in ~50ml of water before drinking.

The powder form is not used anymore. Thiopental sodium is only sold for injection. Maybe the vets generally use the powder version.

I mean why would it be better than N, you say this in your post

Because it acts faster than Pentobarbital, it's an ultra short barbirutate, and it was used and recommended as a golden standard for executions. The average time to go unconscious with Pentobarbital is 1-5 minutes, but with Thiopental Sodium it's only 10-30 seconds. The problem with Pentobarbital is there is a global shortage, but thiopental is widely sold in India, as an example..

 

[eldiablo666]

Yes absolutely it requires a lot of knowledge to do it correctly, but with little training it should be possible.



The powder form is not used anymore. Thiopental sodium is only sold for injection. Maybe the vets generally use the powder version.



Because it acts faster than Pentobarbital, it's an ultra short barbirutate, and it was used and recommended as a golden standard for executions. The average time to go unconscious with Pentobarbital is 1-5 minutes, but with Thiopental Sodium it's only 10-30 seconds. The problem with Pentobarbital is there is a global shortage, but thiopental is widely sold in India, as an example..

Why isn't it talked about more if it's so accessible ?

Does it really matter though?
Pentobarbital puts you to sleep instantly too.
Why care if it takes a little bit longer to kill you while you're asleep?

 

[makethepainstop]

It just figures someone gets my hopes up about an easy quick painless way to ctb. Only for me to find out later that the blessed substance cannot be gotten!

 

[steve_s5]

Why isn't it talked about more if it's so accessible ?

Does it really matter though?
Pentobarbital puts you to sleep instantly too.
Why care if it takes a little bit longer to kill you while you're aslee

You think that i am a scammer ? "Why isn't it talked about more if it's so accessible", because simply, it's mostly used in executions and there is broad talk about using thepental sodium. And it was used as as alternative to Pentobarbital because of the shortage of Nembutal.

From Suicide to Euthanasia – Oregon Right to Life

www.ortl.org

[Could it be a little less? Let the dose of thiopental in euthanasia depend on the body weight] - PubMed

The Dutch 'euthanasia and assisted suicide' practice guideline advises using 2000 mg thiopental to induce coma, followed by a muscle relaxant to cause death by respiratory paralysis. However, when a doctor administers such a high dose of thiopental as a bolus injection to a cachectic patient...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here, the Netherlands use theopental sodium for assisted suicide: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21083948/ Belgian and different countries like the United States use theopental sodium, but they combine theopental sodium with 2 different drugs.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

You think that i am a scammer ? "Why isn't it talked about more if it's so accessible", because simply, it's mostly used in executions and there is broad talk about using thepental sodium. And it was used as as alternative to Pentobarbital because of the shortage of Nembutal.

From Suicide to Euthanasia – Oregon Right to Life

www.ortl.org

[Could it be a little less? Let the dose of thiopental in euthanasia depend on the body weight] - PubMed

The Dutch 'euthanasia and assisted suicide' practice guideline advises using 2000 mg thiopental to induce coma, followed by a muscle relaxant to cause death by respiratory paralysis. However, when a doctor administers such a high dose of thiopental as a bolus injection to a cachectic patient...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here, the Netherlands use theopental sodium for assisted suicide: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21083948/ Belgian and different countries like the United States use theopental sodium, but they combine theopental sodium with 2 different drugs.

You don't need the two other drugs? I thought the two other drugs combined is what kills you?

 

[steve_s5]

You don't need the two other drugs? I thought the two other drugs combined is what kills you?

Not 100%, the barbirburate alone suppresses at respiratory system doses. That means that a drug like thiopental will suppress oxygen to the body, and that results in death. The heart will stop breathing and you will die.

"Respiratory depression or hypotension from a depressant drug (like a barbiturate) will further decrease the amount of oxygen reaching the heart."

That's the same effect with Pentobarbital ( Nembutal ). The 2 other drugs are only given to make sure that the patient is really dead.

 

[Hollowillow]

Price? There is an organisation that give free syringes to junky to prevent the sharing & spreading of aids? I think ebay had some? If you can get the drug why not the way to inject? It's so beyond me...

 

[steve_s5]

Price? There is an organisation that give free syringes to junky to prevent the sharing & spreading of aids? I think ebay had some? If you can get the drug why not the way to inject? It's so beyond me...

1 bottle is 25$, but want Pentobarbital/Secobarbital Powder too. I know there was a seller in China/Mexico that sold this ( Not D/A ). Because the injection is maybe not for everyone, of course, you can learn it from Youtube, but it requires practice and not everyone has the courage to do it.

 

[wljourney]

There are many videos on youtube to show you how to do IV injection, you can practice it with regular infusion; if you got the substance then it's a sure VIP way to go.

The problem is that you need either someone else to inject the whole dose or a springloaded/automatic injector.
If you try to inject either this or N yourself, you lose consciousness BEFORE being able to fully inject the whole dose.

This problem has been mentioned in the PPH too.

1 bottle is 25$, but want Pentobarbital/Secobarbital Powder too. I know there was a seller in China/Mexico that sold this ( Not D/A ). Because the injection is maybe not for everyone, of course, you can learn it from Youtube, but it requires practice and not everyone has the courage to do it.

You may be on to something. The powder would be easiest to ship and reconstitute in the necessary amount. Will be curious to see if your order makes it through customs. Do you know if the seller will conceal the item?

Price? There is an organisation that give free syringes to junky to prevent the sharing & spreading of aids? I think ebay had some? If you can get the drug why not the way to inject? It's so beyond me...

You can't just stick yourself with a needle to inject a sufficient amount to CTB.
The drug makes you go unconscious within seconds and you need to inject much more volume than what you can inject within 5 seconds. It would require an IV needle with catheter and a syringe that fits in a spring loaded, automatic injector that continues slowly injecting the solution when you are already unconscious.

 

[steve_s5]

I searched for a little bit of alternatives. Nembutal powder is hard to get, but i researched little in Europe. In my country, I managed to get 1 receipt and it was very easy. Maybe phenobarbital is a decent alternative. I don't know, it's, of course, not so potent and acts slower than pentobarbital. In the United States there are currently experiments with Phenobarbital in assisted-suicide. For anyone who has an interest in the Method, I can send you receipt for the medicines you need for the method.

 

[zatoichi]

I searched for a little bit of alternatives. Nembutal powder is hard to get, but i researched little in Europe. In my country, I managed to get 1 receipt and it was very easy. Maybe phenobarbital is a decent alternative. I don't know, it's, of course, not so potent and acts slower than pentobarbital. In the United States there are currently experiments with Phenobarbital in assisted-suicide. For anyone who has an interest in the Method, I can send you the medicines you need for the method.

I'm interested.

 

[wljourney]

Sorry Dude, but you can't use this forum and offer people to send them what they need. That's dealing. It's against forum rules and I am frankly wondering how legit this all is.

You have been posting for a while now about this great alternative to N and now you are offering to sell people something.

Nope. Sorry.
Red Flags.
All over.

 

[zatoichi]

The problem is that you need either someone else to inject the whole dose or a springloaded/automatic injector.
If you try to inject either this or N yourself, you lose consciousness BEFORE being able to fully inject the whole dose.

This problem has been mentioned in the PPH too.

You may be on to something. The powder would be easiest to ship and reconstitute in the necessary amount. Will be curious to see if your order makes it through customs. Do you know if the seller will conceal the item?

You can't just stick yourself with a needle to inject a sufficient amount to CTB.
The drug makes you go unconscious within seconds and you need to inject much more volume than what you can inject within 5 seconds. It would require an IV needle with catheter and a syringe that fits in a spring loaded, automatic injector that continues slowly injecting the solution when you are already unconscious.

Actually it's quite possible to open a vascular line for IV with a pretext of some infection symptoms in a hospital.

 

[wljourney]

Actually it's quite possible to open a vascular line for IV with a pretext of some infection symptoms in a hospital.

The problem is not the IV. It's not hard to learn that.
The problem is the administration.
Unless you have someone who slowly injects whatever it is you are planning to use, it won't work.
This has been discussed in the PPeH.

You simply can't push enough volume through a small gauge needle in that short timeframe.

But hey, you do you. Just don't get scammed please (or blackmailed later).

 

[steve_s5]

Sorry Dude, but you can't use this forum and offer people to send them what they need. That's dealing. It's against forum rules and I am frankly wondering how legit this all is.

You have been posting for a while now about this great alternative to N and now you are offering to sell people something.

Nope. Sorry.
Red Flags.
All over.

Where are I offer something for sale? i said that I would send the PDF for the Method. You misunderstand me, i will give free access to the Method ( a PDF ) that i have. absolutely sell absolutely nothing.

 

[wljourney]

Where are I offer something for sale? i said that I would send the PDF for the Method. You misunderstand me, i will give free access to the Method ( a PDF ) that i have. absolutely sell absolutely nothing.

thanks for clarifying.
Above you wrote this:

"For anyone who has an interest in the Method, I can send you the medicines you need for the method."

medicines in that context would mean drugs.
Do you mean guidelines or process manual to MAKE Phenobarbital?

 

[Tiny Little Tree]

Funnily enough many years ago there were suppliers of N in dark places who also supplied thiopental and pheno. And in another place where people documented their journeys, some would order N and receive thiopental which was obvious with its yellow tint. I do remember people just going with it and using it as substitute N, pretty sure just orally too. Don't remember any cases involving pheno.

 

[steve_s5]

thanks for clarifying.
Above you wrote this:

"For anyone who has an interest in the Method, I can send you the medicines you need for the method."

medicines in that context would mean drugs.
Do you mean guidelines or process manual to MAKE Phenobarbital?

I will edit it, i meant the Guideline ( PDF ) i can show you how you get a receipt for Phenobarbital.

 

[onetapgandhi]

The problem is not the IV. It's not hard to learn that.
The problem is the administration.
Unless you have someone who slowly injects whatever it is you are planning to use, it won't work.
This has been discussed in the PPeH.

You simply can't push enough volume through a small gauge needle in that short timeframe.

But hey, you do you. Just don't get scammed please (or blackmailed later).

Can't you like use a pump for that? A syringe or HPLC Pump?

 

[wljourney]

I will edit it, i meant the Guideline ( PDF ) i can show you how you get a receipt for Phenobarbital.

Ok. Again.
You have a pdf that shows what exactly?

How to make Phenobarbital (produce? chemical process? ) or how to purchase Phenobarbital (which is when you get a receipt or proof of purchase).

I assume english is not your first language and you are using words that don't mean what you are trying to express.

Can't you like use a pump for that? A syringe or HPLC Pump?

Yes, but who has a $500 IV infusion pump laying around at home? I don't.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Can't you like use a pump for that? A syringe or HPLC Pump?

No need for an infusion pump. The drip infusion does the job. Setup is easy.