Partial hanging works!

[lastlife_]

To say partial doesn't work is the same as saying full suspension doesn't work, jumping doesn't work, SN doesn't work or shooting yourself in the head doesn't work.

Every method has a fail rate and that depends on the individual. On a forum like this we can only talk about our failed attempts but that shouldn't discredit or disqualify a method because the people who did succeed to CTB with the same method can't post an "I did it!" post. Additionally, the people who have succeeded to CTB likely had many failed attempts with the same method before they had the courage to complete it. All we can do is read the news, read research papers and self analyse our own individual commitment, will or determination to complete CTB to determine the rate of succession.

I know many people on this site have heightened emotions and stress which can cause them to think more erratically and hopelessly, but I think users on this site need to try to read what other people say with a pinch of salt and not take on other peoples personal experiences or information as if it is fact. The internet is cluttered with misinformation, so when someone posts about their failed attempts and they blame the method rather than their own flaws or complexes whilst carrying out the method, it just contributes to more misinformation. It's easier to blame the method than to recognise what you did wrong.

The most common reason for any method failing, including partial, is the person changed their mind, backed out and SI kicked in. For me, that's a personal problem for the individual, not a fault with the method itself.

 

[Someone123]

To say partial doesn't work is the same as saying full suspension doesn't work, jumping doesn't work, SN doesn't work or shooting yourself in the head doesn't work.

Every method has a fail rate and that depends on the individual. On a forum like this we can only talk about our failed attempts but that shouldn't discredit or disqualify a method because the people who did succeed to CTB with the same method can't post an "I did it!" post. Additionally, the people who have succeeded to CTB likely had many failed attempts with the same method before they had the courage to complete it. All we can do is read the news, read research papers and self analyse our own individual commitment, will or determination to complete CTB to determine the rate of succession.

I know many people on this site have heightened emotions and stress which can cause them to think more erratically and hopelessly, but I think users on this site need to try to read what other people say with a pinch of salt and not take on other peoples personal experiences or information as if it is fact. The internet is cluttered with misinformation, so when someone posts about their failed attempts and they blame the method rather than their own flaws or complexes whilst carrying out the method, it just contributes to more misinformation. It's easier to blame the method than to recognise what you did wrong.

The most common reason for any method failing, including partial, is the person changed their mind, backed out and SI kicked in. For me, that's a personal problem for the individual, not a fault with the method itself.

In relation to partial many posts show this to be a very unreliable method- many people have posted that they tried partial but that it failed for them- I have not seen any posts for full suspension failing except when people are found by someone else and pulled down early. Thre can be a lot of bad consequences for a failed attempt, such as involuntary hospitalization, job loss, etc., so it is important to people to learn which methods are more reliable than others.

 

[lastlife_]

In relation to partial many posts show this to be a very unreliable method- many people have posted that they tried partial but that it failed for them- I have not seen any posts for full suspension failing except when people are found by someone else and pulled down early. Thre can be a lot of bad consequences for a failed attempt, such as involuntary hospitalization, job loss, etc., so it is important to people to learn which methods are more reliable than others.

I wasn't saying we should ignore what others experience, but just take it lightly.. I've seen hundreds of failed attempt posts and the majority of them say they backed out from fear or SI or they had an exploding head sensation which they couldn't endure.. but is that really a problem with the method? I don't think so.. I've spent several hours, if not days, reading studies, cases and statistics about hanging and the results more often conclude full suspension and partial to be 50:50 in cases where suicide was complete. If it was so unreliable, it wouldn't account for approximately half of all hangings.. the only difference with partial is the person can back out easier compared the full. There's 5 times or more failed attempts than there are completed attempts, and partial is one of the most accessible methods so of course there's going to be tons more posts about failed experiences compared to other methods which are less accessible. I think it's important to identify and recognise if a flaw or failure falls on the fault of the person or the method. Also, also, I like to have good faith in peoples honesty but I'm sure there are some hidden pro-lifters who post about failed attempts in order to influence others to not do something. It's ok to disagree with me but I think doing our own proper research from credible sources is way more valuable than being convinced something doesn't work because others failed to do it

 

[justsayin]

That is the terrifying thing about full suspension- it often causes ctb by closing off the airway, which can take a while while a person is struggling for breath- so the near certainty of it working needs to be weighed against the terror of having your windpipe closed. That's why it is currently in second place for me compared to sn. Though, to be honest, 10 or so minutes of terror may be better than many years of misery.

It's 10 seconds of terror not 10 minutes.

This video is interesting. But there have been many posts on this site about people trying partial, passing out and then waking up standing up- so this does contradict some of the conclusions in this video. The first person in this video used an arrangement around the neck that was a lot more than a rope- this wasn't explained in the video, but it did cause a quick passing out. One lesson of this video might be that if you are going to try partial to do this in a leaning standing position rather than seated or kneeling. I wish they would have explained the extra padding in the main attempt of this video- this clearly seems to be something that helped her pass out quickly.

I have researched this video about a year ago. Those guys are in the fetish porn business, and girl is a paid model. They are probably using some kind of collar made for S&M purposes. I think that the purpose of the video is keeping their customers alive.

It's not survivorship bias if there is a pattern of people posting saying they are just about to try partial and then later saying it doiesn't work- when they post about it before attempting it this eliminates this bias.

Partial does work- it is the main method used in prison and Robin WIlliams and Kate Spade used this- it's just that this method fails a lot. WHy it works in some cases and not other sis not clear to me at this time, or to many other people.

It is not only survivorship bias. There aren't many goodbye threads for jumping and firearms too. People that want to use "fast method" don't need long preparations. They can just do it in a moment, and don't need support of member in a process. People that want support in jumping/hanging/firearms are not sure about what they are about to do, and have high chance of failing. If you want to see how those "fast methods" work, you should go to gore sites or read scientific articles.

Got any links to stuff about partial? I don't believe it works at all

Suicide Wiki is still available through archive.org. I have also just posted an article about hanging in another thread.

@FromGermany
You might want to read last few posts in this thread,

@lastlife_
Exactly!

 

[pphelpme]

That is the terrifying thing about full suspension- it often causes ctb by closing off the airway, which can take a while while a person is struggling for breath- so the near certainty of it working needs to be weighed against the terror of having your windpipe closed. That's why it is currently in second place for me compared to sn. Though, to be honest, 10 or so minutes of terror may be better than many years of misery.

I agree. 10 min of terror bests a lifetime of misery in my book. It sound like you should just gorilla tape your hands and legs and put a gag on so you can't scream with a good slipknot. That's what I'm gathering. I know it will totally traumatize my family but they don't have to live my traumatized life. how does that sound like a plan?

 

[Shu]

I agree. 10 min of terror bests a lifetime of misery in my book. It sound like you should just gorilla tape your hands and legs and put a gag on so you can't scream with a good slipknot. That's what I'm gathering. I know it will totally traumatize my family but they don't have to live my traumatized life. how does that sound like a plan?

With full suspension if you do it right it won't be 10 minutes more like 10 seconds one would hope.