Discussion Parents don't want their kids to get their hands on easy ctb methods not because they don't know how awful it is to hang or jump

[fkyou]

Parents don't want their kids to get their hands on easy ctb methods not because they don't know how awful it is to hang or jump, or how bad your life is,but because they think you don't get to choose to leave them behind,to make them feel responsible/guilty over your death,as long as you didn't kill yourself everything is okay, even if you're suffering in your life countless people suffer you gotta suck it up and not ctb and make them feel responsible they don't wanna be questioned 'what happened to that person why they killed themselves' you can suffer silently alone just don't get us involved,as long as you didn't kill yourself there is no responsibility .
It just feels it's all about control,they will control you so they don't feel guilt over your death out of sight out of mind

 

[mysticatedwine]

it's about keeping a facade on, i believe.

it's easy for relatives to dismiss one's feeling as "just a phase" or saying "they're overreacting" and stay in denial. it's easy and it allows these relatives to maintain a (deceitfully) stable environment, which most of us strive to get. i don't think this is a result of consciously desired neglectment or power over suicidal people, but instead a cognitive bias that leads most relatives to only consider the less dramatic explanation when things aren't going well, in order to keep this stability. "the daughter doesn't want to talk to us? oh but she's just a child, she needs to grow up". "he hates his body and can't stand this world? oh but he just lacks confidence, it's confidence he needs, it'll come with time!"

when someone ends up commiting suicide, there's rarely any denial possible for the relatives anymore. it wasn't "just a phase" nor "overreacting" nor anything of the likes, it was something serious and dramatic that their brain chose to avoid considering, until it's too late

 

[Dejected 55]

I'm not even sure most people think that hard or deep about it. I think most people just don't care. Then there are the mean people who want you to suffer, especially if it benefits them somehow. Then there are people who also suffer and they just don't have the bandwidth for you because they have their own shit to deal with that holds them down. Somewhere in that last bit are the people who wish they could help but don't know how... and the people who want to appear like they helped or at least don't want to be blamed. I just don't think there is that many of those people who think that hard about it at that level.

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree, after all having children is the modern form of slavery. So many times you will hear people say 'I want to have children so that someone will look after me' and it shows. Many if not most parents require all sorts of work from their children under threat of punishment. Children are taught 'if you don't help your parents, you don't deserve good things', and are gaslit into believing their relationship with their parents should be two-sided, as if the child owes something to their parents. So it's really no wonder that parents don't want their children to ctb, since they see them as property or family. 'You can't leave me, because my opinion should have an effect on your life.' At the end of the day, parents having children despite it being so obviously wrong is the root cause of the problem. We will never get anywhere as long as childbirth continues to happen.

 

[Life_is_an_STD]

I agree, after all having children is the modern form of slavery. So many times you will hear people say 'I want to have children so that someone will look after me' and it shows. Many if not most parents require all sorts of work from their children under threat of punishment. Children are taught 'if you don't help your parents, you don't deserve good things', and are gaslit into believing their relationship with their parents should be two-sided, as if the child owes something to their parents. So it's really no wonder that parents don't want their children to ctb, since they see them as property or family. 'You can't leave me, because my opinion should have an effect on your life.' At the end of the day, parents having children despite it being so obviously wrong is the root cause of the problem. We will never get anywhere as long as childbirth continues to happen.

I'm surprised more people aren't anti natalistic considering how wrong procreation objectively is. I've encountered countless parents including my own who nonchalantly create their fucked up little science experiment without a second thought to what that even means. What it means to bring a child into this proverbial meat grinder of a world. They never pondered the potential and guaranteed suffering that will be inflicted on their offspring or the suffering they will inflicted on others. You could be the most virtuous person on the planet but your mere existence causes the death and suffering of so many other life forms. We're living in the wake of our parents failures one way or another but if we don't live up to their expectations it's entirely our fault and not theirs.