Method Numbing Oral Sprays/A alternative to SN and KN?

[monetpompo]

Would this cause similar vomiting?

probably. i think you'd need to take otc or prescription antiemetics since anything sn-like would make you nauseous. you can use otc dph or dramamine, which is what i plan on doing.

 

[StoicPizza]

Thank you for sharing your unusual method

 

[Jisatsu]

Thank you for sharing your unusual method

You'd be surprised what could kill you lol

 

[Hopeindeath!]

Would several bottles of Lidocaine Viscous 2% oral solution work?

 

[Jisatsu]

Would several bottles of Lidocaine Viscous 2% oral solution work?

You'd need a lot because it's at 2 percent

 

[Hopeindeath!]

I don't know if it would be good, because of the other ingredients which are carboxymethylcellulose sodium, flavoring, methlparaben, propylparaben, purified water and saccharin sodium along with lidocaine hydrochloride 2%.

 

[Jisatsu]

I don't if it would be good, because of the other ingredients which are carboxymethylcellulose sodium, flavoring, methlparaben, propylparaben, purified water and saccharin sodium along with lidocaine hydrochloride 2%.

Yeah it should only have 1 or 2 ingredients

 

[Hopeindeath!]

That's what I was thinking.

 

[Goyasan]

I don't know if it would be good, because of the other ingredients which are carboxymethylcellulose sodium, flavoring, methlparaben, propylparaben, purified water and saccharin sodium along with lidocaine hydrochloride 2%.

That could easily be solved by buying the powder itself, the only thing is how would you make it drinkable.

 

[Hopeindeath!]

I have no idea.

 

[Jisatsu]

That could easily be solved by buying the powder itself, the only thing is how would you make it drinkable.

I plan to mix mine with vodka because it's soluble in Ethanol

 

[monetpompo]

I plan to mix mine with vodka because it's soluble in Ethanol

people under 21 are nerfed but most users are old enough to buy alcohol. it's the only drinkable thing you can mix it with

 

[Jisatsu]

people under 21 are nerfed but most users are old enough to buy alcohol. it's the only drinkable thing you can mix it with

 

[attackingvertical]

So glad I saw this thread. Was looking into SN but it feels so shady, i feel like someone's gonna come knocking at the door. Especially with the new act they've introduced in the US.

It'd be a tad morbid, but if I went with this method, I wonder if there'd be a way to document how I died/if it was peaceful. Maybe with someone else to watch since I'd presumably pass out. So that others looking for a potential way would know what it'll be like.

 

[Jisatsu]

So glad I saw this thread. Was looking into SN but it feels so shady, i feel like someone's gonna come knocking at the door. Especially with the new act they've introduced in the US.

It'd be a tad morbid, but if I went with this method, I wonder if there'd be a way to document how I died/if it was peaceful. Maybe with someone else to watch since I'd presumably pass out. So that others looking for a potential way would know what it'll be like.

Pm me , we can discuss this

 

[Lilithium]

This seems like it could work, at least on paper. 98-99% Benzocaine powder is fairly easy to procure in the US, and it is fairly inexpensive. I think I will go ahead and acquire it.
My understanding is that Benzocaine is metabolized in the liver (CP450 metabolism) and the methemoglobinemia is largely caused by several metabolites as opposed to benzocaine itself, so I wonder how much variability there could be between individuals, many things such as diet and any drugs taken concurrently could affect the rate at which it is metabolized.
For reference, this article identifies the main metabolites that cause the production of MetHB: doi: 10.1080/00498254.2016.1196402.
I definitely want to try and document as much as I can of my own attempt as this seems to be a promising method, and it is definitely more accessible than SN or KN, I'll have to think how I can go about that, however

 

[Jisatsu]

This seems like it could work, at least on paper. 98-99% Benzocaine powder is fairly easy to procure in the US, and it is fairly inexpensive. I think I will go ahead and acquire it.
My understanding is that Benzocaine is metabolized in the liver (CP450 metabolism) and the methemoglobinemia is largely caused by several metabolites as opposed to benzocaine itself, so I wonder how much variability there could be between individuals, many things such as diet and any drugs taken concurrently could affect the rate at which it is metabolized.
For reference, this article identifies the main metabolites that cause the production of MetHB: doi: 10.1080/00498254.2016.1196402.
I definitely want to try and document as much as I can of my own attempt as this seems to be a promising method, and it is definitely more accessible than SN or KN, I'll have to think how I can go about that, however

I personally believe the only downside to this method would be the numbing of the mouth and maybe even part of the throat when you take it.
It might make it either worse for nausea or it might make it so you don't throw up... lots of variables can be at play because no one has made a exact protocol for it yet.

 

[hell toupee]

I don't want to be a Debbi Downer, but I would make sure that any amount you take, that you are confident it's enough to bring about loss of consciousness fairly quickly.

As I said above, I was interested in exploring this. Until I started reading the PSA thread "Do Not Test Ingest SN".

If you read some of that thread and the links, there are several anecdotal posts about people taking a few grams of SN, never losing consciousness, and enduring some pretty troubling effects - even after a day, one user checked himself in to the hospital because he couldn't take it anymore.

All I'm saying is make sure you do your homework if you want this to go well. Benzocaine and SN are obviously different substances, have different potency, bioavailability, and may metabolize differently. Their half lives are also different, most likely.

I only say this in an effort to promote harm reduction - would not want someone to go through an awful ordeal.

 

[monetpompo]

It'd be a tad morbid, but if I went with this method, I wonder if there'd be a way to document how I died/if it was peaceful. Maybe with someone else to watch since I'd presumably pass out. So that others looking for a potential way would know what it'll be like.

the thing about the method is that it hasn't been tested by people deliberately, so that makes it more scary for the first timers making posts about how it went for them. i'm going to be outside when i do it so i'm worried about if i'll have wifi, since i'll need to be far from home to do it. i also think the physical side effects would make it hard for me to type or talk to record what's happening to me.

All I'm saying is make sure you do your homework if you want this to go well. Benzocaine and SN are obviously different substances, have different potency, bioavailability, and may metabolize differently. Their half lives are also different, most likely.

one of the things worrying me as i think about going forward with the method. i don't know anything about chemistry so i'm not sure how to research benzocaine and compare it to sn. sn suicide is also very variable, even if death has been confirmed with 25g. i can't predict what'll happen, but i don't want to hope it'll go as smoothly as i think it'll go.

 

[hell toupee]

This seems like it could work, at least on paper. 98-99% Benzocaine powder is fairly easy to procure in the US, and it is fairly inexpensive. I think I will go ahead and acquire it.
My understanding is that Benzocaine is metabolized in the liver (CP450 metabolism) and the methemoglobinemia is largely caused by several metabolites as opposed to benzocaine itself, so I wonder how much variability there could be between individuals, many things such as diet and any drugs taken concurrently could affect the rate at which it is metabolized.
For reference, this article identifies the main metabolites that cause the production of MetHB: doi: 10.1080/00498254.2016.1196402.
I definitely want to try and document as much as I can of my own attempt as this seems to be a promising method, and it is definitely more accessible than SN or KN, I'll have to think how I can go about that, however

This is exactly what I was thinking. Just because both benzocaine and SN share the same mechanic that leads to ctb, doesn't mean that the way the body metabolizes them is the same, nor potency, or half life.

An analogy would be opioids. Vicodin and fentanyl both work as mu opioid receptor agonists, however the amount needed to achieve the same effect is drastically different.

 

[Goyasan]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Just because both benzocaine and SN share the same mechanic that leads to ctb, doesn't mean that the way the body metabolizes them is the same, nor potency, or half life.

An analogy would be opioids. Vicodin and fentanyl both work as mu opioid receptor agonists, however the amount needed to achieve the same effect is drastically different.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't benzocaine more potent than SN in terms of causing the methemoglobinemia? At least going by that video it seems equally, if not more, potent since only a small amount of benzocaine in the numbing spray taken by the man was enough to hospitalize him.

 

[rkk3]

its better to not drink benzocaine as powder because youll just throw up. when you drink powder you wont die your stomach starts bleeding and you throw up blood too the human body isnt compatible with powder

wondering if its possible to drink a bottle of spray and die

 

[hell toupee]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't benzocaine more potent than SN in terms of causing the methemoglobinemia? At least going by that video it seems equally, if not more, potent since only a small amount of benzocaine in the numbing spray taken by the man was enough to hospitalize him.

I honestly don't know hardly anything about benzocaine - I was just trying to caution people to take in all of the variables I mentioned before staking your life on it.

It very well could be that it's more potent. It's also perfectly reasonable to assume the few case reports of people dying from benzocaine, such as what you mentioned, are just outliers and not the general rule. What I mean is, people have died eating peanuts. It doesn't mean it's a viable method.

I am in no way trying to rain on everyone's parade - this may turn out to be an alternative to SN, or possibly even better, who knows. Just didn't want anyone to rush in to it and end up going through a pretty dramatic and possibly terrifying ordeal.

 

[Jisatsu]

its better to not drink benzocaine as powder because youll just throw up. when you drink powder you wont die your stomach starts bleeding and you throw up blood too the human body isnt compatible with powder

wondering if its possible to drink a bottle of spray and die

Hun , that's why you mix it with something soluble so it is drinkable

I honestly don't know hardly anything about benzocaine - I was just trying to caution people to take in all of the variables I mentioned before staking your life on it.

It very well could be that it's more potent. It's also perfectly reasonable to assume the few case reports of people dying from benzocaine, such as what you mentioned, are just outliers and not the general rule. What I mean is, people have died eating peanuts. It doesn't mean it's a viable method.

I am in no way trying to rain on everyone's parade - this may turn out to be an alternative to SN, or possibly even better, who knows. Just didn't want anyone to rush in to it and end up going through a pretty dramatic and possibly terrifying ordeal.

No one as we know of have attempted taking high amounts in a attempt to ctb.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't benzocaine more potent than SN in terms of causing the methemoglobinemia? At least going by that video it seems equally, if not more, potent since only a small amount of benzocaine in the numbing spray taken by the man was enough to hospitalize him.

It is more potent but sn is more lethal in low doses.

 

[UserFromNowhere]

Tempting and interesting method. My only concern would be the stability of benzocaine over time. It appears relatively stable for a period of six months at room temperature and 60% RH. Being able to mix it with alcohol and go out that way definitely sounds appealing.

 

[Jisatsu]

Tempting and interesting method. My only concern would be the stability of benzocaine over time. It appears relatively stable for a period of six months at room temperature and 60% RH. Being able to mix it with alcohol and go out that way definitely sounds appealing.

Room temp is best ... it's a lab chemical especially the powder.

 

[rkk3]

Room temp is best ... it's a lab chemical especially the powder.

someone should try drinking the powder in liquid and tell everyone what happened after drinking it

all i know is powder mixed with liquid can make you throw up blood

 

[Lilithium]

someone should try drinking the powder in liquid and tell everyone what happened after drinking it

all i know is powder mixed with liquid can make you throw up blood

if you dissolve a solid in a liquid it is not "powder in liquid" it is now a liquid solution, it is homogeneous and stable as a liquid. If powder dissolved in a liquid solvent made you throw up blood, powdered drink mixes would not be a thing.

 

[Jisatsu]

someone should try drinking the powder in liquid and tell everyone what happened after drinking it

all i know is powder mixed with liquid can make you throw up blood

Do you have a source for that because I've done the research and no one has ever been reported to throw up blood when drinking anything with benzocaine in it. They may puke but it's never blood.

You should like you're trying to fear monger....

 

[rkk3]

if you dissolve a solid in a liquid it is not "powder in liquid" it is now a liquid solution, it is homogeneous and stable as a liquid. If powder dissolved in a liquid solvent made you throw up blood, powdered drink mixes would not be

Do you have a source for that because I've done the research and no one has ever been reported to throw up blood when drinking anything with benzocaine in it. They may puke but it's never blood.

You should like you're trying to fear monger....

it depends what it is

one day i drank caffeine powder with apple juice to try to die and was throwing up blood

it made me so sick

i got it from a store not online but i dont know what i drank

and it didnt really dissolve