Method Numbing Oral Sprays/A alternative to SN and KN?

[Reishi]

Benzocaine,Lidocaine and Tetracaine the last two being a lot more rare to find are used in topical local anesthetic commonly found in throat sprays and oral numbing products. While generally safe when used as directed, it has been associated with methemoglobinemia the same condition people get when they suffer from nitrite poisonings.

They act as an oxidizing agent. It oxidizes the iron in hemoglobin from the ferrous state to the ferric state, forming methemoglobin. Methemoglobin is unable to bind and transport oxygen effectively just like nitrites.
As methemoglobin levels rise, the blood's oxygen-carrying capacity decreases, leading to hypoxia, even if oxygen levels in the lungs are normal.
With a high enough amount in your system you'll undergo the same symptoms as SN and KN and the only treatment would be methylene blue same as them.
Although compared to them you'd have to take in a substantial amount to be able to get the same effects... but with that it's very possible to kill you .
So this easily could be a alternative to nitrites.
Althould I haven't seen any reports of any suicides from this yet but I do see that it has caused deaths and everytime its accidents because of overusage.

 

[monetpompo]

Althould I haven't seen any reports of any suicides from this yet but I do see that it has caused deaths and everytime its accidents because of overusage.

vidie about effects of ODing on oral numbing spray. honestly something i may consider since there's been reported deaths.

 

[Reishi]

vidie about effects of ODing on oral numbing spray. honestly something i may consider since there's been reported deaths.

A excellent video that fully explains what my post was explaining, and little did I know that some cough drops also have Benzocaine in them.
This just makes me more interested in possibly investing time into this , thank you.




I did some math and research about dosage of typical Benzocaine sprays .
My math maybe slightly off but it's more of a example of how many mg can be lethal in a typical bottle of spray or ointment.

A 20% benzocaine topical product typically contains about 200 mg of benzocaine per gram of gel, cream, or ointment, or 200 mg per milliliter for liquid sprays, though total content per bottle varies by container size.
Concentration and Conversion
Benzocaine products come in different concentrations, commonly ranging from 5% to 20% for gels, creams, lozenges, and sprays.

A 20% container of gel or ointment means 200 mg of benzocaine per gram of product. For sprays or liquid solutions expressed as weight-for-volume, the conversion is similar: making it also 200 mg per milliliter.
The average adult human weighs around 150 lbs→ 68 kg (rounded).
Lethal dose range is around 22–40 mg/kg:
Low end: 68 × 22 = 1,496 mg
High end: 68 × 40 = 2,720 mg
So for a 150 lb person, the range is 1,500–2,700 mg for a lethal amount.
Liquid concentration 200 mg per mL:
1,496 mg ÷ 200 = 7.5 mL
2,720 mg ÷ 200 = 13.6 mL
Bottle comparisons:
3 oz ≈ 88.7 mL → 17,740 mg total
6 oz ≈ 177 mL → 35,400 mg total
Meaning the lethal doses for a 150 lb person is only about 7.5–13.6 mL, not remotely close to finishing either bottle.

What I'm trying to get at is that a standard 3 or 6 oz bottle of a 20% benzocaine topical product contains roughly 17,740 mg and 35,400 mg of active benzocaine and the lethal amount is far less then half a standard bottle .

This means it is very very likely a viable method for suicide.

 

[monetpompo]

This means it is very very likely a viable method for suicide

waow!

 

[Reishi]

waow!

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I'm tempted

 

[monetpompo]

I'm tempted

someone that can also do math (i can't) will probably come in with some numbers later today. i'm thinking about buying 20% benzocaine spray later, mostly worried about getting sent to the hospital lol. since there have been actual deaths it's possible, since the effects are the same as sn (cyanosis). if i decided to test it i'd made a thread about it and link this one.

 

[Reishi]

someone that can also do math (i can't) will probably come in with some numbers later today. i'm thinking about buying 20% benzocaine spray later, mostly worried about getting sent to the hospital lol. since there have been actual deaths it's possible, since the effects are the same as sn (cyanosis). if i decided to test it i'd made a thread about it and link this one.

Chances are you will not find 20 more like 5, 7 or 10 . But even then a whole bottle would be enough to give you methemoglobinemia and if you want to over do it a bottle and a half of one would surely cause you death.

 

[monetpompo]

Benzocaine as a method?

Hey y'all, firstly, I want to thank everyone here for being such good sports. Before I came to this forum I was really worried about how I would do this and by what means. I didn't want to traumatize anyone else and wanted a "peaceful" way out. You guys have so many amazing resources! I'm...

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Would Benzocaine work as an alternative to SN?

Benzocaine, a local anaesthetic used for toothaches and sore throats, appears to have similar effects to SN when taken to excess. The FDA warns that the use of Benzocaine can occasionally result in methemoglobinemia, a fatal blood disorder that is also results when SN is ingested. The listed...

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posts 4 when @Reishi wakes up

 

[Reishi]

It's extremely possible to kill you if you take enough...

 

[Forveleth]

Have you looked into what other ingredients are in these? What are the effects of ingesting 14mL of the other things?

 

[Reishi]

Have you looked into what other ingredients are in these? What are the effects of ingesting 14mL of the other things?

It's usually just the one drug with menthol which only helps with soothing flavor .
I'm honestly surprised this isn't blowing up...

 

[Forveleth]

Excessive amounts of menthol can be very bad for you and make you sick/vomit. I would do some research to check.

 

[hell toupee]

It seems to me that expecting benzocaine to reliably bring about ctb might be tricky.

HOWEVER, if it can bring about a loss of consciousness, that would be a game changer.

I know SN, even in very small amounts, causes a loss of consciousness.

If benzocaine can do the same, you really wouldn't need to chug down a lot, or worry if you are able to ingest that much. If even a small amount knocks you unconscious, a medium sized plastic bag over my head, which will allow me to breathe normally while I slip deeper into unconsciousness, would guarantee that the method is 100% lethal.

I might consider this if my other primary method doesn't work, as for me at least, it's always good to have a contingency plan.

 

[monetpompo]

ingredients 4 those curious.

i'll test the benzocaine in a separate thread later this week. i don't really mind if i go to the hospital, but that's only if i end up not dying from the amount of benzocaine i end up drinking. i feel guilty that i'm kind of excited about the whole thing, since i've never had enough money to buy sn myself. the hardest part is probably not throwing up immediately. i think i might suck on hard candies or caramel afterwards to avoid gagging.

 

[Reishi]

It seems to me that expecting benzocaine to reliably bring about ctb might be tricky.

HOWEVER, if it can bring about a loss of consciousness, that would be a game changer.

I know SN, even in very small amounts, causes a loss of consciousness.

If benzocaine can do the same, you really wouldn't need to chug down a lot, or worry if you are able to ingest that much. If even a small amount knocks you unconscious, a medium sized plastic bag over my head, which will allow me to breathe normally while I slip deeper into unconsciousness, would guarantee that the method is 100% lethal.

I might consider this if my other primary method doesn't work, as for me at least, it's always good to have a contingency plan.

I might do this with my head in a partial hanging position and just go unconscious and die do to lack of oxygen

 

[Goyasan]

A excellent video that fully explains what my post was explaining, and little did I know that some cough drops also have Benzocaine in them.
This just makes me more interested in possibly investing time into this , thank you.




I did some math and research about dosage of typical Benzocaine sprays .
My math maybe slightly off but it's more of a example of how many mg can be lethal in a typical bottle of spray or ointment.

A 20% benzocaine topical product typically contains about 200 mg of benzocaine per gram of gel, cream, or ointment, or 200 mg per milliliter for liquid sprays, though total content per bottle varies by container size.
Concentration and Conversion
Benzocaine products come in different concentrations, commonly ranging from 5% to 20% for gels, creams, lozenges, and sprays.

A 20% container of gel or ointment means 200 mg of benzocaine per gram of product. For sprays or liquid solutions expressed as weight-for-volume, the conversion is similar: making it also 200 mg per milliliter.
The average adult human weighs around 150 lbs→ 68 kg (rounded).
Lethal dose range is around 22–40 mg/kg:
Low end: 68 × 22 = 1,496 mg
High end: 68 × 40 = 2,720 mg
So for a 150 lb person, the range is 1,500–2,700 mg for a lethal amount.
Liquid concentration 200 mg per mL:
1,496 mg ÷ 200 = 7.5 mL
2,720 mg ÷ 200 = 13.6 mL
Bottle comparisons:
3 oz ≈ 88.7 mL → 17,740 mg total
6 oz ≈ 177 mL → 35,400 mg total
Meaning the lethal doses for a 150 lb person is only about 7.5–13.6 mL, not remotely close to finishing either bottle.

What I'm trying to get at is that a standard 3 or 6 oz bottle of a 20% benzocaine topical product contains roughly 17,740 mg and 35,400 mg of active benzocaine and the lethal amount is far less then half a standard bottle .

This means it is very very likely a viable method for suicide.

Realistically, could you theoretically reduce the content in bottle to make it stronger? Like heating it and evaporating the water?
Because, I think the main hurdle that would occur given the idea of drinking a bottle of benzocaine is that if it isn't as easy or easier to drink than a cup of SN it's going to be way harder to get it into your body, unless, of course, it's viable to just inject it instead. If you could make the lethal amount of benzocaine in a smaller volume that can be hidden in some kind of carrier fluid like juice this could be a bit revolutionary, right?

 

[monetpompo]

trying to figure out how i'll negate the nausea. it definitely sounds nasty to drink 4 little bottles of benzocaine.

Realistically, could you theoretically reduce the content in bottle to make it stronger? Like heating it and evaporating the water?

thinking about this. i'm curious about the fumes, since i live with family. since there's alcohol in benzocaine, isn't it flammable? it also might degrade the quality. maybe more people can read the thread.

 

[Goyasan]

Adding onto this thread, you can buy benzocaine powder too. It's insoluble in water though.

 

[Reishi]

Adding onto this thread, you can buy benzocaine powder too. It's insoluble in water though.

Definitely interesting, thanks

trying to figure out how i'll negate the nausea. it definitely sounds nasty to drink 4 little bottles of benzocaine.


thinking about this. i'm curious about the fumes, since i live with family. since there's alcohol in benzocaine, isn't it flammable? it also might degrade the quality. maybe more people can read the thread.

I doubt it will taste worse then sn or kn.
I don't think alcohol has anything to do with benzocaine

 

[Goyasan]

Definitely interesting, thanks

Definitely interesting

I doubt it will taste worse then sn or kn.
I don't think alcohol has anything to do with benzocaine

I do think this method could have a feasible about of validity. Especially, since you can buy a powder which means you can get a concentrated dosage for less volume. I think, in this case, alcohol is useful since the benzocaine powder cannot be soluble in water. So, if a lethal amount for a 150 lb person is around 13 ml, that could easily be superseded with benzocaine pure powder (like, several teaspoons) in a small alcoholic beverage. The only issues I see so far is;

1. Would this method require the usage of anti-emetics, i.e., will a benzocaine alcohol solution cause enough vomiting to reverse the effects of methemoglobinemia similar to SN?
2. Will the effects of methemoglobinemia caused by benzocaine be potent enough to cause death, and if so, how long would it take?

As someone who's too pussyshit to buy SN out of a fear for a welfare check, this has given me a new ray of hope.

 

[hell toupee]

I might do this with my head in a partial hanging position and just go unconscious and die do to lack of oxygen

Originally this was what I was going to use N2O for - I had planned on securing a noose and then dropping in to full suspension after taking several hits of N2O.

I would be careful with partial - there are a lot of variables involved, most notably that after loss of consciousness the body will jerk and twitch, but more concerning is the unconscious straightening and retracting of the arms and legs. In partial, if any pressure is restored, it means you could possibly survive in a vegetative state. Meaning you still have all of the problems you have now, only much much worse with brain damage on top of that.

As to your op, I couldn't find any benzocaine sprays on Amazon or Walmart but I did find 20% benzocaine lozenges. A lot of topical sprays and gel/liquid preparations for toothaches, etc (20%).

I ordered the lozenges, and what I plan to do is throw some in to a glass of hot water and let them dissolve. As I mentioned previously, I don't need the benzocaine to lead to ctb, as I have no idea how much would be needed. But if they lead to unconsciousness, that's all I want. This will either be my backup method, or used in conjunction with my primary method.

 

[Reishi]

I do think this method could have a feasible about of validity. Especially, since you can buy a powder which means you can get a concentrated dosage for less volume. I think, in this case, alcohol is useful since the benzocaine powder cannot be soluble in water. So, if a lethal amount for a 150 lb person is around 13 ml, that could easily be superseded with benzocaine pure powder (like, several teaspoons) in a small alcoholic beverage. The only issues I see so far is;

1. Would this method require the usage of anti-emetics, i.e., will a benzocaine alcohol solution cause enough vomiting to reverse the effects of methemoglobinemia similar to SN?
2. Will the effects of methemoglobinemia caused by benzocaine be potent enough to cause death, and if so, how long would it take?

As someone who's too pussyshit to buy SN out of a fear for a welfare check, this has given me a new ray of hope.

It's more potent then sodium nirite I believe. But it's usually given a lesser amount .

 

[Steve Vermont]

Could one pack the powder in a gel capsule?

 

[Goyasan]

It's more potent then sodium nirite I believe. But it's usually given a lesser amount .

Hmmm, this may actually be a new revolutionary method.

 

[Reishi]

Hmmm, this may actually be a new revolutionary method.

Thanks exactly why you take a lot more