Discussion Nothingness is the best afterlife

[RadiantNumber]

This is why I think so: if there is heaven, hell etc you are haunted by decisions of the past: what you've done, what you haven't done etc, if there is no afterlife you just disappears, there is nothing you need to worry about because you are no longer involded

 

[KillingPain267]

Not if there is a memory wipe in the (good) conscious afterlife. Revelation 21:4: "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." You can think of many potential kinds of afterlives where what you said is not necessarily true. The very concept of a good eternal afterlife is precisely that nothing is going to be painful anymore, not even bad memories or decisions made in this life.

 

[RadiantNumber]

But still ceasing to exists you don't need to worry anymore cause you are no longer, also even if memories are wiped you are still there existing without purpose

 

[KillingPain267]

But still ceasing to exists you don't need to worry anymore

"don't need to worry anymore" you made the logical fallacy again. The very idea of a good afterlife is precisely that there is no more worry for eternity. That's true of nothingness, yes, BUT it CAN also be logically true if you imagine an eternal life where EVERYTHING negative is impossible, including distressing thoughts like worry. Imagine an afterlife where everyone is permanently high as a kite without any consequences healthwise and where the novelty of euphoria never wears off.

also even if memories are wiped you are still there existing without purpose

Purpose is such a useless concept. Someone currently high on heroin doesn't care about their seemingly purposeless existence. They're simply too euphoric to care.

 

[RadiantNumber]

"don't need to worry anymore" you made the logical fallacy again. The very idea of a good afterlife is precisely that there is no more worry for eternity. That's true of nothingness, yes, BUT it CAN also be logically true if you imagine an eternal life where EVERYTHING negative is impossible, including distressing thoughts like worry. Imagine an afterlife where everyone is permanently high as a kite without any consequences healthwise and where the novelty of euphoria never wears off.

That afterlife would be good, or when you are in the dream which you made yourself, eternal lucid dream

 

[KillingPain267]

That afterlife would be good, or when you are in the dream which you made yourself, eternal lucid dream

Yes, and that's essentially the afterlife that the Bible actually teaches, despite what you may have heard. Most people just don't have the imagination to imagine an existence better than what we currently endure here in this life and universe. But imagine a universe where the laws of physics are different and allow no decay or pain.

But it's true that nothingness is also a worriless "existence" in essence. Better than what most people tell about potential afterlives (certainly the negative ones).

 

[RadiantNumber]

Yes, and that's essentially the afterlife that the Bible actually teaches, despite what you may have heard. Most people just don't have the imagination to imagine an existence better than what we currently endure here in this life and universe. But imagine a universe where the laws of physics are different and allow no decay or pain.

But it's true that nothingness is also a worriless "existence" in essence. Better than what most people tell about potential afterlives (certainly the negative ones).

I was rather stick with that one written in OBE books or eternal lucid dream

 

[KillingPain267]

I was rather stick with that one written in OBE books or eternal lucid dream

What's OBE?

 

[RadiantNumber]

What's OBE?

Out of body experience, there were series of book about it, when author told about afterlife when you have your own place when you live forever. or go to the place yours religion mentioned in it's book or go back to the earth. This is fair, cause every religion and non-believers too has opportunity to have its own afterlife

 

[KillingPain267]

Out of body experience, there were series of book about it, when author told about afterlife when you have your own place when you live forever. or go to the place yours religion mentioned in it's book or go back to the earth. This is fair, cause every religion and non-believers too has opportunity to have its own afterlife

Ahh okay. Interesting. Have you tried experiencing lucid dreaming?

 

[RadiantNumber]

Ahh okay. Interesting. Have you tried experiencing lucid dreaming?

Yes, I have many, wonderful experience

 

[Kbeau]

When you cease to exist, you cease to exist. There is no regret, sadness, guilt, personal or financial concerns or anything else. It all just stops and you are nothing. Perfect

 

[FuneralCry]

It really would be for me, non-existence really is all I personally hope for and is all that can bring me peace from the suffering of existing, non-existence is all I see as desirable and would solve everything for me in this futile, torturous existence where I'm just hoping and waiting for death anyway. I just wish for no more pain, no more suffering, I just wish to be unconscious for all eternity with all finally gone and forgotten, I just never should had been burdened with this existence of cruelty and suffering all for the sake of it and I see it as the most terrible tragedy how this existence was even imposed at all, I'd always prefer to not exist no matter what.