MorsVoluntaria

MorsVoluntaria

Member
Dec 27, 2018
25
I'm mostly a lurker on this site, but I'm making this post because I can't vent to anyone in real life about this. It happened several weeks ago, but I still feel very upset just thinking about it.

Background, I've been passively suicidal for years, just waiting for the day I can no longer bear to stay alive. My partner has bipolar disorder and also has suicidal thoughts. We are both very open with each other about our struggles. He was the only person I disclosed my suicidal thoughts to, at the time.

We went out drinking on a Friday night. I drank too much. Blacked out, but was still conscious and stumbling. He had to help walk me back to our apartment.

Someone called the police because they thought my partner was someone trying to take advantage of me. The police came to question us for a welfare check.

I remember parts of this because I was likely panicking from the police at the door. Apparently they asked if I was suicidal, and very stupidly, I answered yes and even added that I wanted to take sodium nitrite. I'm not sure why I even admitted that. I'm guessing it was because I was extremely drunk and my partner being present put me at ease because sometimes we discuss SN. I was placed on a 5150 hold.

Paramedics were called. I got dragged out in a stretcher. I remember the shame of seeing the faces of my neighbors who were outside, just staring at me.

In the emergency room, I was under constant surveillance by a security guard at the foot of my bed, which was in the hallway because the ER was packed. I had to change into a gown and they took my shoes and phone. Each time I needed the restroom, I had to have a handler outside the door listening. It felt humiliating and dehumanizing. Surprised they didn't handcuff me to the bed because I once ran away from the same ER while drunk.

I had to wait until 1 PM the next day for a psychiatrist to come evaluate me. They asked where I obtained the SN. I denied purchasing SN. Denied suicidal thoughts. Made up a fake story to make myself seem like an "attention-seeking female" so that they would discharge me.

I had to call a family member to come pick me up. One of the nurses told them I said I wanted to kill myself. I thought that was a HIPPA violation, but apparently not because I was on a hold and was still considered a threat to myself. So now my entire family knows and I feel so ashamed. Some were angry and yelled at me. Some treated me differently, as if was fragile, which really bothered me.

I'm annoyed that even though I wasn't admitted to a psychiatric hospital, a 5150 hold means that I still lose my gun rights for the next five years. I'm worried that I could potentially lose my current job and many other opportunities that I studied and worked so hard for.

I received a $10,000 USD bill for less than 24 hours in the ER and am still anxiously waiting for insurance to respond. I requested my medical records from the ER, but they refused to give me access because they believed it would be harmful for me. Absolute bullshit.

Thankfully the cops didn't search my place, so I still have my SN that I bought a few years ago. I'm also glad I got discharged because the medical bills would've been far greater.

This whole experience has made me lose even more trust in the healthcare system. Whenever I hear an ambulance or police siren, I start to feel very nervous and sick to my stomach. It's even worse when I hear those sirens getting closer to my street.

I'm a bit worried about posting this because what if the police trace it back to me and send me back to the hospital?

From now on, I will never admit to being suicidal, except on this website. I even worry now about admitting these thoughts to my partner.

I dislike how society forces everyone to stay alive and views suicide as always an irrational or incorrect choice.

Feel free to share your own experiences with psychiatric treatment or involuntary holds.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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That really is so horrible what you've been through, I hate how we exist in a world where suicidal people end up being punished simply for wanting to die, it's just so inhumane to me, none of us should be forced to suffer as the reality is that so many in this world just don't wish to exist here.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

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I'm so sorry. Been there done that. It's a bunch of bullshit that has the exact opposite effect of what suicidal people actually need. I'm glad your SN wasn't confiscated. Being charged that much for an ER visit, a coerced one at that, is shameful. The US should be ashamed.
 
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CTB Dream

CTB Dream

Injury damage disabl hard talk no argu make fun et
Sep 17, 2022
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ye this v cruel say ctb ppl no undrstd ppl make all worse, this v awfl pay $ make life hard, prsn sag ctb this cuz life hard this stupid ape species make more hard more awfl
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
11,536
Your story is terrifying! Sorry you have to go through this awful experience. It's disgusting how suicidal people are treated in our society. I hope everything is going well for you again and Ihope you can find peace!

@MorsVoluntaria just out of interest and because of your nickname. Are you interested in Latin and have Latin language skills?
 
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lachrymost

lachrymost

finger on the eject button
Oct 4, 2022
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I'm so sorry. Been there done that. It's a bunch of bullshit that has the exact opposite effect of what suicidal people actually need. I'm glad your SN wasn't confiscated. Being charged that much for an ER visit, a coerced one at that, is shameful. The US should be ashamed.
This. I'm sure an excessive bill will make this suicidal person feel better! It's for the carceral punishment we subjected them to for being suicidal in the first place. All for the love of mandated consciousness.

All it takes is one mistake in which you lapse into honesty. The compulsion to speak the truth can be very hard to resist, I find. I'm sorry alcohol had you dropping your guard. I hope the insurance comes in clutch.
 
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DarkFriend.

DarkFriend.

Neverending Suffering
May 1, 2022
65
The biggest mistake was opening the door in the first place.

Unless your life is actively in danger, assume cops are your enemy.

The state doesn't care about suicidal people. It wants money, and it uses suicidal people in order to obtain more of it.

Plain and simple authoritarianism.

Oh you're suicidal? Here's less freedoms and oh by the way, you owe us a lot more money than just your taxes... but remember, life is a blessing! You should be happy to be a servant!
 
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krokilo

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Jul 19, 2023
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Why are you worried about SN? Isn't it a legal everywhere readily available industrial substance?
 
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dyingslowly

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Jul 17, 2023
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I'm mostly a lurker on this site, but I'm making this post because I can't vent to anyone in real life about this. It happened several weeks ago, but I still feel very upset just thinking about it.

Background, I've been passively suicidal for years, just waiting for the day I can no longer bear to stay alive. My partner has bipolar disorder and also has suicidal thoughts. We are both very open with each other about our struggles. He was the only person I disclosed my suicidal thoughts to, at the time.

We went out drinking on a Friday night. I drank too much. Blacked out, but was still conscious and stumbling. He had to help walk me back to our apartment.

Someone called the police because they thought my partner was someone trying to take advantage of me. The police came to question us for a welfare check.

I remember parts of this because I was likely panicking from the police at the door. Apparently they asked if I was suicidal, and very stupidly, I answered yes and even added that I wanted to take sodium nitrite. I'm not sure why I even admitted that. I'm guessing it was because I was extremely drunk and my partner being present put me at ease because sometimes we discuss SN. I was placed on a 5150 hold.

Paramedics were called. I got dragged out in a stretcher. I remember the shame of seeing the faces of my neighbors who were outside, just staring at me.

In the emergency room, I was under constant surveillance by a security guard at the foot of my bed, which was in the hallway because the ER was packed. I had to change into a gown and they took my shoes and phone. Each time I needed the restroom, I had to have a handler outside the door listening. It felt humiliating and dehumanizing. Surprised they didn't handcuff me to the bed because I once ran away from the same ER while drunk.

I had to wait until 1 PM the next day for a psychiatrist to come evaluate me. They asked where I obtained the SN. I denied purchasing SN. Denied suicidal thoughts. Made up a fake story to make myself seem like an "attention-seeking female" so that they would discharge me.

I had to call a family member to come pick me up. One of the nurses told them I said I wanted to kill myself. I thought that was a HIPPA violation, but apparently not because I was on a hold and was still considered a threat to myself. So now my entire family knows and I feel so ashamed. Some were angry and yelled at me. Some treated me differently, as if was fragile, which really bothered me.

I'm annoyed that even though I wasn't admitted to a psychiatric hospital, a 5150 hold means that I still lose my gun rights for the next five years. I'm worried that I could potentially lose my current job and many other opportunities that I studied and worked so hard for.

I received a $10,000 USD bill for less than 24 hours in the ER and am still anxiously waiting for insurance to respond. I requested my medical records from the ER, but they refused to give me access because they believed it would be harmful for me. Absolute bullshit.

Thankfully the cops didn't search my place, so I still have my SN that I bought a few years ago. I'm also glad I got discharged because the medical bills would've been far greater.

This whole experience has made me lose even more trust in the healthcare system. Whenever I hear an ambulance or police siren, I start to feel very nervous and sick to my stomach. It's even worse when I hear those sirens getting closer to my street.

I'm a bit worried about posting this because what if the police trace it back to me and send me back to the hospital?

From now on, I will never admit to being suicidal, except on this website. I even worry now about admitting these thoughts to my partner.

I dislike how society forces everyone to stay alive and views suicide as always an irrational or incorrect choice.

Feel free to share your own experiences with psychiatric treatment or involuntary holds.
Also, remember now to not use this site over clearnet, setup tor and get permission from admins to use the site through tor, otherwise you are risk of them finding your access to this site. All the best!
 
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Aergia

Aergia

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Jun 20, 2023
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Also, remember now to not use this site over clearnet, setup tor and get permission from admins to use the site through tor, otherwise you are risk of them finding your access to this site. All the best!
Is permission from the admins required to use this site through tor?
 
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chloramine

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Apr 18, 2022
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I'm angry for you because that's just. Unfair on so many levels. It doesn't even accomplish the purpose they claim to care about- it makes people want to die more.

I hate that the "correct" response to finding out someone is suicidal places us in more danger. I hate that we have reason to be scared of losing our autonomy and additional trauma if people find out. If someone consents to a facility or the hospital great those should be options, but I hate having consent legally stampeded over.

I get the bad reaction to sirens. I was able to talk my way out if it, but police showed up for a wellness check that was called on me and the doorbell became an instant anxiety button for several months after that. It faded with time but sometimes it still causes that spike. I hope it fades for you pretty quickly.

Seriously though I'm sorry you went through that and that you're going to have to continue going through it because the consequences far outlast that one moment. The fact that they can charge you for an involuntary hold is incredibly messed up as is them disclosing that information to your family.
 
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girlsfoodgear

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Jul 21, 2023
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playing slight devil's advocate here but good on the person who called the police to check you weren't being taken advantage of. i understand that it's a complex situation when it comes to the welfare check, suicidal ideation etc etc and i'm anti police anyway, but so many SA's could potentially be avoided if more people stepped in when they suspected something wasn't right.

the US medical system is terrible. a $10,000 charge for an involuntary hold that you literally couldn't say no to should be criminal. i'm sorry all this happened to you, OP. i hope it won't impact any future jobs/studies/plans that could have a positive influence on recovery, should you choose that path.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

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Jul 23, 2022
4,251
Is permission from the admins required to use this site through tor?
Nope.

I don't think there's any risk of intervention just from using this site, provided you don't reveal very explicit personal information and announce an impending attempt. Even then that's probably not a given.
 
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enough of this

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Jun 4, 2023
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ye this v cruel say ctb ppl no undrstd ppl make all worse, this v awfl pay $ make life hard, prsn sag ctb this cuz life hard this stupid ape species make more hard more awfl
I've found it prudent to withhold any suicidal ideas from almost everyone. They not only don't understand, but have an urge to intervene and take steps to try to "help" me. This usually makes things even worse.
 
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shantyizlit

shantyizlit

Really, what was the point?
Jul 7, 2023
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And a 10.000 dollar 'fine' just to say go fuck yourself. Very nice.
I totally do not understand why people undergo terrorism.
 
soonatpeace777888

soonatpeace777888

Specialist
Jul 4, 2023
349
The Healthcare industry is such a scam. Ten Grand for WHAT? Something you didn't even choose. They did the same to me for my "voluntary" psycheward visit but it was only a couple thousand. Still waiting to hear from insurance also.
 
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MorsVoluntaria

MorsVoluntaria

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Dec 27, 2018
25
Your story is terrifying! Sorry you have to go through this awful experience. It's disgusting how suicidal people are treated in our society. I hope everything is going well for you again and Ihope you can find peace!

@MorsVoluntaria just out of interest and because of your nickname. Are you interested in Latin and have Latin language skills?
My username just comes from my interest in history, especially ancient Romans and Greeks. I'm not too great at picking up languages, unfortunately. From your profile, I see you know some Latin? I'm curious to know where you've learned it?

Also, remember now to not use this site over clearnet, setup tor and get permission from admins to use the site through tor, otherwise you are risk of them finding your access to this site. All the best!
Great advice! I already use a VPN to access this site, but I'm not sure if it's enough nowadays. Tor was a bit slow when I used it a while back, not sure if that's still the case.
 
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voc_89

voc_89

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Apr 10, 2023
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i am so sorry that u had to go through this. I really hope everything resolves well in your favor. I cannot give any advice re: close parties finding out your ideaition. I am quick to cut people out of my life. So theiir opinions on me dont matter. But that is not a road for everyone
I've found it prudent to withhold any suicidal ideas from almost everyone. They not only don't understand, but have an urge to intervene and take steps to try to "help" me. This usually makes things even worse.
facts. I brought this topic up with a close friend and she expressed her utter disgust towards people that think about it and carry it out. Hence why i am glad for this community. Whenever someone says something here, the first thing is to empathise and understand where they are coming from. Not admonish them and talk down to them. "Once you have life you have everything". Give me a break
I've found it prudent to withhold any suicidal ideas from almost everyone. They not only don't understand, but have an urge to intervene and take steps to try to "help" me. This usually makes things even worse.
facts. I brought this topic up with a close friend and she expressed her utter disgust towards people that think about it and carry it out. Hence why i am glad for this community. Whenever someone says something here, the first thing is to empathise and understand where they are coming from. Not admonish them and talk down to them. "Once you have life you have everything". Give me a break
 
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GrayGraves

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Jun 6, 2023
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Absolute insanity that this is in any way legal. NT's will preach about how people need to open up about their mental health but then pull shit like this. The second an actively suicidal/depressed person DOES open up, they are either treated as subhuman or infantilized. Genuinely disgusting.
 
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ChromeCake

ChromeCake

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Mar 26, 2023
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And they call this "help". Truly insane.
 
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saddestbunny

saddestbunny

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Feb 16, 2023
203
yeah, i'm really sorry you went through this.

people that recommend talking to 'official help' have never gone through anything like this. it's all bullshit. talking the hospital bills down is bullshit. getting 0 actual help and losing rights and getting charged for nothing is bullshit. this life is bullshit
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
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My username just comes from my interest in history, especially ancient Romans and Greeks. I'm not too great at picking up languages, unfortunately. From your profile, I see you know some Latin? I'm curious to know where you've learned it?
I'm also interested in ancient history. Unfortunately currently due to my bad state I'm not so much interested in anything, hopefully I can regain that again. I learned Latin in school more than 30 years ago and only a few years ago I had the idea to refresh it.
 
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Aya&Dazy

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Nov 11, 2022
59
Damn. That's so expensive. Refuse to show medical records, that's seem suspicious, 10k for what?! I hope insurance will cover that for you. 10yrs ago, friend drove to ER for my stupid drug OD, stayed there a few hours until I wake up, I got 1,000 bill. lol
 
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dyingslowly

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Jul 17, 2023
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My username just comes from my interest in history, especially ancient Romans and Greeks. I'm not too great at picking up languages, unfortunately. From your profile, I see you know some Latin? I'm curious to know where you've learned it?


Great advice! I already use a VPN to access this site, but I'm not sure if it's enough nowadays. Tor was a bit slow when I used it a while back, not sure if that's still the case.

Yeah, tor is slow but your internet history protected under VPN could be seen if they think you might be accessing material of self harm, these VPN companies open up with gag orders from the court. Take care, I suggest for SS you should use tor, better that way.
 

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