Method NaNO2 + Opioids?

[NoSentimentality]

Please note that if you intend to answer this post, do it strictly fact-based without any bs.
-I.e personal opinion, belief & preferance, thank you.


Does anyone (merited) know if SN + medium dose of syntethic morphine would be (close to an guarantee of) a peaceful "ctb"?

Would it be more effective before, simultaneously, or after? (Patient has zero tolerance.)

Should I specify substance? Suggestions (with fact-based motivations) are welcomed.


Is IV required?


(For the record, I am doing research for a novel/book.)

 

[Living sucks]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/post-567054

Actual witnesses account.

 

[NoSentimentality]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful.30211/post-567054

Actual witnesses account.

Thank you, much obliged.

However, future readers please note that this inquiry remains; clinical, factual answers would be appreciated, from a, for example knowledgeable person with medical skills, i.e doctor/nurse etc. Or possibly someone with a reliable medical source.
Thank you.

 

[Kumachan]

Was thinking along the same lines... The only problem with opiates is that they make you nausiated, i was puking pure water once on tramadol - couldnt stop! But yea great painkiller, i wonder if the antiemetic regimen would be enough to counteract BOTH SN and the opiate...?

 

[NoSentimentality]

i wonder if the antiemetic regimen would be enough to counteract BOTH SN and the opiate...?

I second that question.

Seems to have worked in the case that "Living sucks" linked to anyway.

 

[Ange_Fatigue]

Strong opiates won t prevent dizzizness, nausea, tachycardia form Sn.
For a naive person more than 50 mg can make you nauseous, 100 mg for sure will make you vomit.

 

[NoSentimentality]

Strong opiates won t prevent dizzizness, nausea, tachycardia form Sn.
For a naive person more than 50 mg can make you nauseous, 100 mg for sure will make you vomit.

It's not so much preventing these symptoms, as to make the process in its entirety easier for the patient.

Medium dosage; varies based on substance, individual body weight, gender, age etc.
What substance are you referring to?

Please note, I desire to keep this thread as concise as possible.

However, I appreciate your input.

 

[Ange_Fatigue]

I was refering to morphine sulfate.

 

[bukowski]

(For the record, I am doing research for a novel/book.)

What is the book about?

 

[NoSentimentality]

What is the book about?

It's a novel (might be book) inspired/loosely based on (amongst other works), Shakespeare's Hamlet, a semi-adoptation in a way, that's all I have to say about it at this point.

I rather not elaborate further since I deem it irrelevant, & will likely alter the direction of this thread & subject.


I can release further details once I've obtained the information necessary.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

It's not so much preventing these symptoms, as to make the process in its entirety easier for the patient.

Medium dosage; varies based on substance, individual body weight, gender, age etc.
What substance are you referring to?

Please note, I desire to keep this thread as concise as possible.

However, I appreciate your input.

Why don't you do research before writing disclaimers in big red letters. No one takes morphine with SN because morphine increases likelihood of vomitting.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Why don't you do research before writing disclaimers in big red letters. No one takes morphine with SN because morphine increases likelihood of vomitting.

Basically this. Even when people have taken Metoclopramide prior to ingesting SN they have still be known to vomit. Add something like morphine into the mix and you really have little chance of not vomiting.

 

[NoSentimentality]

Why don't you do research before writing disclaimers in big red letters. No one takes morphine with SN because morphine increases likelihood of vomitting.

Any suggestions to where I can turn?

I care not what "people do".
I'm aware of that, still my question remains.

Basically this. Even when people have taken Metoclopramide prior to ingesting SN they have still be known to vomit. Add something like morphine into the mix and you really have little chance of not vomiting.

Bad news for my character.
Are there other ways of taking SN?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

For SN search "Stan's Guide". For the most common methods look up the megathreads or read the peaceful pill handbook, copies of which circulate around the forum.

Does anyone (merited) know if SN + medium dose of syntethic morphine would be (close to an guarantee of) a peaceful "ctb"?

"People do" what they do around here precisely because these methods have been proven to be relatively quick and painless. If SN and morphine was a good combination, then people would do it. If anything but the methods discussed here was quick and painless, people would do it.

Peaceful methods to read up on are: inert gas, N (barbiturates), SN, heroin,morphine and fentanyl, partial hanging and hanging, "night-night" method, charcoal, gun and jumping.

One with a cool name for a novel would be the Korean method.

Cheers

 

[gus.nixon]

"Never combine methods"
(sort of an unwritten rule)

Can I use opioids?

Can be helpful , but: Check contraindications Small amounts (otherwise increase nausea) Any opioids significantly reduces: metabolism gastric emptying intestinal absorption Will take twice the time. See here and here.

 

[Quarky00]

You can't ask about "clinical" SN and morphine .. Science don't test poison suicide in trials ;)

Small amounts of opioids can ease without vomiting . Large dosage can cause vomiting . Small should be okay and peaceful .

Can I use opioids?

Can be helpful , but: Check contraindications Small amounts (otherwise increase nausea) Any opioids significantly reduces: metabolism gastric emptying intestinal absorption Will take twice the time. See here and here.

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"Never combine methods"
(sort of an unwritten rule)

Can I use opioids?

Can be helpful , but: Check contraindications Small amounts (otherwise increase nausea) Any opioids significantly reduces: metabolism gastric emptying intestinal absorption Will take twice the time. See here and here.

Damn you

 

[gus.nixon]

Oh haha! Probably posted seconds apart! The only reason I know is because I was planning on SN + strong opiates too and someone posted that for me. I thought I had it all figured out lol

 

[Suez]

Basically this. Even when people have taken Metoclopramide prior to ingesting SN they have still be known to vomit. Add something like morphine into the mix and you really have little chance of not vomiting.

Re MSTs thats not entirely true that just because you are taking Morphine Sulphate that this will induce vomiting.Although it is not uncommon for patients being started on opioids to initially experience nausea and/or vomiting, generally tolerance to these effects tends to occur within days to weeks.

 

[Quarky00]

@gus.nixon , I was thinking about that , like I wrote on that FAQ thread (somewhere) if I had opioids I'd def use them but only really small amount as sedatives/euphoric, not to knock me out . SN is pretty quick 3m to first symptoms which reach a peak around 12m . That's 6m and 24m on slow metabolism (?) . It would also take 2h for SN to be fatal (rather than 35m-60m) . Not everyone vomit with opioids and mild tolerance can be developed prior -- in any case any pill taken (meto etc) need to be tested ...

[EDIR] again seconds before @Suez wrote similar I'm really not needed here lol

Are there other ways of taking SN?

No .

Routes of administration?

DON'T. Search threads. Enema – strong salts burn and literally destroy membranes . (example , more) Capsules – need quick SN and in intestines -- capsules interfere , not practical (details , absorption) IV / Injection -- Vein will collapse , SN won't enter blood (destroy membranes) [1] ; not practical [2] [3]

Why don't you read / search a little before ?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/#post-649564

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/

OP , you dedicated more words and highlight for saying you want clinical or medical advice , keep things to the point , etc , than your actually questions . Ironically saying how you want to be answered obscure your actual questions .. Keep simple .

 

[NoSentimentality]

For SN search "Stan's Guide". For the most common methods look up the megathreads or read the peaceful pill handbook, copies of which circulate around the forum.

Does anyone (merited) know if SN + medium dose of syntethic morphine would be (close to an guarantee of) a peaceful "ctb"?

"People do" what they do around here precisely because these methods have been proven to be relatively quick and painless. If SN and morphine was a good combination, then people would do it. If anything but the methods discussed here was quick and painless, people would do it.

Peaceful methods to read up on are: inert gas, N (barbiturates), SN, heroin,morphine and fentanyl, partial hanging and hanging, "night-night" method, charcoal, gun and jumping.

One with a cool name for a novel would be the Korean method.

Cheers

Thank you.

I'm new to this forum. Also, I am careful never to underestimate public stupidity.
Nor do I care much for sheep-mentality, hence my answer. I care not what the majority does, I care about what works -which is why I asked.
Still, indeed you do have a point; methods that work tend to survive, ironically.

Again, thank you, much obliged.

I'm thinking about some sedative/painkiller in connection to SN, do you know something that works better than opioids?
"Life sucks" posted a link to a document from an alleged witness, where opioids were used with SN (& antiemetic) without any problems, so I guess some do mix the two.

Need info from someone with more insight on the matter.

Likewise.

@gus.nixon , I was thinking about that , like I wrote on that FAQ thread (somewhere) if I had opioids I'd def use them but only really small amount as sedatives/euphoric, not to knock me out . SN is pretty quick 3m to first symptoms which reach a peak around 12m . That's 6m and 24m on slow metabolism (?) . It would also take 2h for SN to be fatal (rather than 35m-60m) . Not everyone vomit with opioids and mild tolerance can be developed prior -- in any case any pill taken (meto etc) need to be tested ...

[EDIR] again seconds before @Suez wrote similar I'm really not needed here lol


No .

Routes of administration?

DON'T. Search threads. Enema – strong salts burn and literally destroy membranes . (example , more) Capsules – need quick SN and in intestines -- capsules interfere , not practical (details , absorption) IV / Injection -- Vein will collapse , SN won't enter blood (destroy membranes) [1] ; not practical [2] [3]

Why don't you read / search a little before ?

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/#post-649564

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/search/

OP , you dedicated more words and highlight for saying you want clinical or medical advice , keep things to the point , etc , than your actually questions . Ironically saying how you want to be answered obscure your actual questions .. Keep simple .

Thanks.

Did so strictly to avoid speculations, opinions & beliefs, aswell as OT.

Simple questions - possibly simple answers.

 

[Quarky00]

I'm thinking about some sedative/painkiller in connection to SN, do you know something that works better than opioids?

Again please read resource . In the link I gave you there is "Sedatives" . You see? There's a whole section about sedatives :)
This is probably the 5th time you were kindly advised to read more -- information that is readily available here
If you have more question feel free. But please bit of reading first.

Can I use Z-drugs?	Yes, similar to benzo: Less physical pain, discomfort, etc Induce strong sleep (peaceful) More drowsiness, may fall asleep – test and time it Anxiety - mild to moderate reduction (benzo more powerful) Notes, notes
Can I use Gabapentinoids?	Probably . Gabapentin – member used to ctb
Can I use other 'sleeping pills'?	No. Need strong GABA sedatives Antihistamines, Herbals, OTC – won't work: Drowsy but not asleep No reduction of sensations / anxiety
Anesthetics, Opioids .
Can I use other sedatives?	Perhaps real anesthetics, we don't know – be cautious. Little to no information about using anesthetics with SN Do proper research yourself Do trials and time the effects Usually taken before SN GBL – safe – Stan himself used some Propofol – dangerous – may cause respiratory arrest Ketamine – safe – member used

 

[Suez]

Thank you, much obliged.

However, future readers please note that this inquiry remains; clinical, factual answers would be appreciated, from a, for example knowledgeable person with medical skills, i.e doctor/nurse etc. Or possibly someone with a reliable medical source.
Thank you.

The biggest problem with introducing an opiate alongside SN is the likelihood of interference with the metabolism of SN. In my medical opinion this is the biggest hurdle. Several people in this thread have talked about opiates such as MSTs (Morphine Sulphate Tablets) and how they will cause vomiting and thus have to be excluded, however, as I have just recently posted, while it is not uncommon for patients being started on opioids to initially experience nausea and/or vomiting, generally tolerance to these effects tends to occur with days to weeks. The one question I have which I am a bit confused about is that in your thread you talked about the use of SN and Synthetic Morhine. Synthetic Morphine is considered a natural opioid product. But over the years many medications have replaced morphine with synthetic morphine – an equivalent opiate analgesic with a much higher potency. The common brands of Synthetic Morphine include:

• Demerol
• Fentanyl
• Lortab
• Atarax
• Norco
• Dilaudid
• Sufentanil
• Ultiva

So I need to clarify with you, were you talking about Synthetic Morphine or was that a mistake on your part in that you misinterpreted what Synthetic Morphine was? Regardelss you are still referring to Opiates and in your thread you are talking about an Opiate Naive person that would be taking the SN along with the proposed Opiate. If that person had never taken an Opiate before prior to this attempted suicide with SN, then I could only imagine probelms. Someone taking Opioids for the first time, even in small doses can become confused, dizzy, feel faint and light headed. nauseus perhaps, they may feel tired and need to lie down, they may feel unsteady on their feet. Any and all of these symptoms would not make it easy to then sit down and weigh out said SN powder or do any of the preparatory work needed for a successful SN poisening. This is assuming that the person took the opiate orally. If the character was to use the opiate IV then that brings into play a completely different set of problems.But as I said at the very beginning of my post, I believe that the main problem in combining both an opiate and SN is in compromising the metabolism of the SN. That is the biggest and most complex hurdle.

Thank you.

I'm new to this forum. Also, I am careful never to underestimate public stupidity.
Nor do I care much for sheep-mentality, hence my answer. I care not what the majority does, I care about what works -which is why I asked.
Still, indeed you do have a point; methods that work tend to survive, ironically.

Again, thank you, much obliged.

I'm thinking about some sedative/painkiller in connection to SN, do you know something that works better than opioids?
"Life sucks" posted a link to a document from an alleged witness, where opioids were used with SN (& antiemetic) without any problems, so I guess some do mix the two.

Need info from someone with more insight on the matter.

Likewise.


Thanks.

Did so strictly to avoid speculations, opinions & beliefs, aswell as OT.

Simple questions - possibly simple answers.

I forgot to mention @Jumper Geo had an idea of adding melted coconut oil to the SN powder and refrigerating it briefly to cool it down long enough to be able to mould it into sizeable bullet shapes, easy enough to consume, thus getting past the awfull salty taste which was making people vomit up the salt. An out there method but who knows, it sounds crazy enough to work??? Something to think about. You may want to contact him. I have given just a breif outline of the method.

 

[NoSentimentality]

Again please read resource . In the link I gave you there is "Sedatives" . You see? There's a whole section about sedatives :)
This is probably the 5th time you were kindly advised to read more -- information that is readily available here
If you have more question feel free. But please bit of reading first.

Can I use Z-drugs?	Yes, similar to benzo: Less physical pain, discomfort, etc Induce strong sleep (peaceful) More drowsiness, may fall asleep – test and time it Anxiety - mild to moderate reduction (benzo more powerful) Notes, notes
Can I use Gabapentinoids?	Probably . Gabapentin – member used to ctb
Can I use other 'sleeping pills'?	No. Need strong GABA sedatives Antihistamines, Herbals, OTC – won't work: Drowsy but not asleep No reduction of sensations / anxiety
Anesthetics, Opioids .
Can I use other sedatives?	Perhaps real anesthetics, we don't know – be cautious. Little to no information about using anesthetics with SN Do proper research yourself Do trials and time the effects Usually taken before SN GBL – safe – Stan himself used some Propofol – dangerous – may cause respiratory arrest Ketamine – safe – member used

Thank you, I'm reading it now.

Wondering what the source is, stating ketamine as safe?
Also, might this not interfer with the other subtances (preferably) taken with SN?

(If answers to this are in the links provided don't trouble yourself.)

The biggest problem with introducing an opiate alongside SN is the likelihood of interference with the metabolism of SN. In my medical opinion this is the biggest hurdle. Several people in this thread have talked about opiates such as MSTs (Morphine Sulphate Tablets) and how they will cause vomiting and thus have to be excluded, however, as I have just recently posted, while it is not uncommon for patients being started on opioids to initially experience nausea and/or vomiting, generally tolerance to these effects tends to occur with days to weeks. The one question I have which I am a bit confused about is that in your thread you talked about the use of SN and Synthetic Morhine. Synthetic Morphine is considered a natural opioid product. But over the years many medications have replaced morphine with synthetic morphine – an equivalent opiate analgesic with a much higher potency. The common brands of Synthetic Morphine include:

• Demerol
• Fentanyl
• Lortab
• Atarax
• Norco
• Dilaudid
• Sufentanil
• Ultiva

So I need to clarify with you, were you talking about Synthetic Morphine or was that a mistake on your part in that you misinterpreted what Synthetic Morphine was? Regardelss you are still referring to Opiates and in your thread you are talking about an Opiate Naive person that would be taking the SN along with the proposed Opiate. If that person had never taken an Opiate before prior to this attempted suicide with SN, then I could only imagine probelms. Someone taking Opioids for the first time, even in small doses can become confused, dizzy, feel faint and light headed. nauseus perhaps, they may feel tired and need to lie down, they may feel unsteady on their feet. Any and all of these symptoms would not make it easy to then sit down and weigh out said SN powder or do any of the preparatory work needed for a successful SN poisening. This is assuming that the person took the opiate orally. If the character was to use the opiate IV then that brings into play a completely different set of problems.But as I said at the very beginning of my post, I believe that the main problem in combining both an opiate and SN is in compromising the metabolism of the SN. That is the biggest and most complex hurdle.

I forgot to mention @Jumper Geo had an idea of adding melted coconut oil to the SN powder and refrigerating it briefly to cool it down long enough to be able to mould it into sizeable bullet shapes, easy enough to consume, thus getting past the awfull salty taste which was making people vomit up the salt. An out there method but who knows, it sounds crazy enough to work??? Something to think about. You may want to contact him. I have given just a breif outline of the method.

Thank you.

Preferably synthetic, but not exclusively, give it no second thought.

I've read that earlier, I'd say swallowing it in rizla would be less complicated, but I think the shot sounds good enough.
Also, might not coconut oil affect the process considering all this about stomach acids, fasting & such?

Which other problems if IV - physical or do you mean practical regarding IV itself?

How about nasally?

I believe that the main problem in combining both an opiate and SN is in compromising the metabolism of the SN. That is the biggest and most complex hurdle.

Indeed.

"Quarky00" 's post states that ketamine works,
Just need some reliable source for that statement.

Might find the answers in the material provided, thanks everyone, very helpful.

 

[Suez]

The biggest problem with introducing an opiate alongside SN is the likelihood of interference with the metabolism of SN. In my medical opinion this is the biggest hurdle. Several people in this thread have talked about opiates such as MSTs (Morphine Sulphate Tablets) and how they will cause vomiting and thus have to be excluded, however, as I have just recently posted, while it is not uncommon for patients being started on opioids to initially experience nausea and/or vomiting, generally tolerance to these effects tends to occur with days to weeks. The one question I have which I am a bit confused about is that in your thread you talked about the use of SN and Synthetic Morhine. Synthetic Morphine is considered a natural opioid product. But over the years many medications have replaced morphine with synthetic morphine – an equivalent opiate analgesic with a much higher potency. The common brands of Synthetic Morphine include:

• Demerol
• Fentanyl
• Lortab
• Atarax
• Norco
• Dilaudid
• Sufentanil
• Ultiva

So I need to clarify with you, were you talking about Synthetic Morphine or was that a mistake on your part in that you misinterpreted what Synthetic Morphine was? Regardelss you are still referring to Opiates and in your thread you are talking about an Opiate Naive person that would be taking the SN along with the proposed Opiate. If that person had never taken an Opiate before prior to this attempted suicide with SN, then I could only imagine probelms. Someone taking Opioids for the first time, even in small doses can become confused, dizzy, feel faint and light headed. nauseus perhaps, they may feel tired and need to lie down, they may feel unsteady on their feet. Any and all of these symptoms would not make it easy to then sit down and weigh out said SN powder or do any of the preparatory work needed for a successful SN poisening. This is assuming that the person took the opiate orally. If the character was to use the opiate IV then that brings into play a completely different set of problems.But as I said at the very beginning of my post, I believe that the main problem in combining both an opiate and SN is in compromising the metabolism of the SN. That is the biggest and most complex hurdle.

I forgot to mention @Jumper Geo had an idea of adding melted coconut oil to the SN powder and refrigerating it briefly to cool it down long enough to be able to mould it into sizeable bullet shapes, easy enough to consume, thus getting past the awfull salty taste which was making people vomit up the salt. An out there method but who knows, it sounds crazy enough to work??? Something to think about. You may want to contact him. I have given just a breif outline of the method.

Hey there, I just had a ready of Life sucks account of the person he saw die from SN/Morpdhine/Diaz. A couple of things that I noted. Life Sucks said that at 3pm the person tool 1 Sevredol and in brackets next to it was (Slow release Morphine tablet). However, Sevredol, is NOT a slow release Morphine tablet, it is the opposite, it is a fast release Morphine Tablet. It comes in 10mg and 20mg, either one would have been effective, so it would have had an immediate effect on the person taking it, so thats interesting in itself as that is a big over sight. On top of that this person also had 10mg of Diazepam. Now I dont know whether this person was a drug naive person or someone that was used to taking prescription medication including sedatives like diazepam, but in a naive person, 10mg of Diazepam would have you feeling extremely relaxed. Perhaps the most significant factor in this is the person was anorexic. Someone that is anorexic is already extremely compromised, they would be dehydrated,have low blood glucose,be anaemic, have low blood pressure,an extremely slow or irregular heartbeat, low white blood cell count, liver& kidney probs, most likely changes in the structure of their brain. osteoporosis, abdominal and gastric distress and if their female i could start listing hormonal problems.... so when you start with this kind of physical setting and then you add SN& Diazepam & Sevredol, I wouldnt be asking myself about the doses of Medication this person took as if that could have altered the outcome. If you were starting with a clean slate then you could ask some legitimate questions and get some legitimate answers, do you know what I mean??? There is nothing that you can really learn here, not from someone that is this physically compromised. Which reminds me, the other symptom that Life Sucks mentioned in addition to the anorexia was that this person had liver problems or liver disease so...... I rest my case. With regards to an adequate sedative or Opioid, I mean something like Diazepam or Sevredol would work well,if the idea is to try to be a relaxed as possible. You would want to have as much preparatory work done beforehand if you were intending to take a sedative or opioid before SN. This would be particularly impt if you were opioid or sedative naive. If it were me, I would want to at least try the drug out a few times to see what it was like, see how i was effected by it, was i so incapacitated that i couldnt do anything???? As a naive user obviously you would take the drug orally there would be no point in getting into a discussion around using IV. The only purpose of using IV is t get high and that is not what this is about. So the IV question you asked at the beginning i guess has been resolved? The question remains as to the purpose of the sedative or opioid? Is it just to relax before taking the SN or is it to increase the toxicity? Are you hoping for an increased combinatorial toxicological effect?

 

[NoSentimentality]

"Never combine methods"
(sort of an unwritten rule)

Can I use opioids?

Can be helpful , but: Check contraindications Small amounts (otherwise increase nausea) Any opioids significantly reduces: metabolism gastric emptying intestinal absorption Will take twice the time. See here and here.

Didn't see your answer until now, browsing the thread. Very informative, thanks.

Hey there, I just had a ready of Life sucks account of the person he saw die from SN/Morpdhine/Diaz. A couple of things that I noted. Life Sucks said that at 3pm the person tool 1 Sevredol and in brackets next to it was (Slow release Morphine tablet). However, Sevredol, is NOT a slow release Morphine tablet, it is the opposite, it is a fast release Morphine Tablet. It comes in 10mg and 20mg, either one would have been effective, so it would have had an immediate effect on the person taking it, so thats interesting in itself as that is a big over sight. On top of that this person also had 10mg of Diazepam. Now I dont know whether this person was a drug naive person or someone that was used to taking prescription medication including sedatives like diazepam, but in a naive person, 10mg of Diazepam would have you feeling extremely relaxed. Perhaps the most significant factor in this is the person was anorexic. Someone that is anorexic is already extremely compromised, they would be dehydrated,have low blood glucose,be anaemic, have low blood pressure,an extremely slow or irregular heartbeat, low white blood cell count, liver& kidney probs, most likely changes in the structure of their brain. osteoporosis, abdominal and gastric distress and if their female i could start listing hormonal problems.... so when you start with this kind of physical setting and then you add SN& Diazepam & Sevredol, I wouldnt be asking myself about the doses of Medication this person took as if that could have altered the outcome. If you were starting with a clean slate then you could ask some legitimate questions and get some legitimate answers, do you know what I mean??? There is nothing that you can really learn here, not from someone that is this physically compromised. Which reminds me, the other symptom that Life Sucks mentioned in addition to the anorexia was that this person had liver problems or liver disease so...... I rest my case. With regards to an adequate sedative or Opioid, I mean something like Diazepam or Sevredol would work well,if the idea is to try to be a relaxed as possible. You would want to have as much preparatory work done beforehand if you were intending to take a sedative or opioid before SN. This would be particularly impt if you were opioid or sedative naive. If it were me, I would want to at least try the drug out a few times to see what it was like, see how i was effected by it, was i so incapacitated that i couldnt do anything???? As a naive user obviously you would take the drug orally there would be no point in getting into a discussion around using IV. The only purpose of using IV is t get high and that is not what this is about. So the IV question you asked at the beginning i guess has been resolved? The question remains as to the purpose of the sedative or opioid? Is it just to relax before taking the SN or is it to increase the toxicity? Are you hoping for an increased combinatorial toxicological effect?

Bliss, dampen SI, & relaxation mainly.

 

[Suez]

Thank you, I'm reading it now.

Wondering what the source is, stating ketamine as safe?
Also, might this not interfer with the other subtances (preferably) taken with SN?

(If answers to this are in the links provided don't trouble yourself.)


Thank you.

Preferably synthetic, but not exclusively, give it no second thought.e the method using Coconut oil

I've read that earlier, I'd say swallowing it in rizla would be less complicated, but I think the shot sounds good enough.
Also, might not coconut oil affect the process considering all this about stomach acids, fasting & such?

Which other problems if IV - physical or do you mean practical regarding IV itself?

How about nasally?



Indeed.

"Quarky00" 's post states that ketamine works,
Just need some reliable source for that statement.

Might find the answers in the material provided, thanks everyone, very helpful.

Re the method using Coconut oil. In this instance, I dont believe the Coconut oil (2 tablespoons) would make an impact because, once the Coconut oil is mixed with the SN powder and moulded, it is immediately refrigerated for perhaps 5 minutes and then consumed. But when you have taken sedatives/opiates some times before hand, you have already altered the environment that the SN is going into making it more difficult for the SN to be metabolised. Most opioid alkaloids and the same is true of sedatives like Diazepam, have several physiological effects on the GI tract. These effects include (1)Alterations of tonic/segmental contractions; (2). Decreased GI motility and increased transit time; and (3). Inhibition of endogenous secretions.
Opioids are able to produce all these effects within the gut because they can bind to Opioid receptors which can be found in the Gastrointestinal Tract. When Opioids bind to these receptors they initiate signals that increase intestinal resting tone to the point of spasm while decreasing propulsive peristaltic waves.

If you were to now add Sodium Nitrite, i would think that the efficacy of its biochemical actions would be markedly reduced in this environment. Does that mean that it is unlikely to kill you if you were to take an opioid or sedative prior to consuming SN? NO is the simple answer to that.

 

[whitefeather]

The biggest problem with introducing an opiate alongside SN is the likelihood of interference with the metabolism of SN. In my medical opinion this is the biggest hurdle. Several people in this thread have talked about opiates such as MSTs (Morphine Sulphate Tablets) and how they will cause vomiting and thus have to be excluded, however, as I have just recently posted, while it is not uncommon for patients being started on opioids to initially experience nausea and/or vomiting, generally tolerance to these effects tends to occur with days to weeks. The one question I have which I am a bit confused about is that in your thread you talked about the use of SN and Synthetic Morhine. Synthetic Morphine is considered a natural opioid product. But over the years many medications have replaced morphine with synthetic morphine – an equivalent opiate analgesic with a much higher potency. The common brands of Synthetic Morphine include:

• Demerol
• Fentanyl
• Lortab
• Atarax
• Norco
• Dilaudid
• Sufentanil
• Ultiva

So I need to clarify with you, were you talking about Synthetic Morphine or was that a mistake on your part in that you misinterpreted what Synthetic Morphine was? Regardelss you are still referring to Opiates and in your thread you are talking about an Opiate Naive person that would be taking the SN along with the proposed Opiate. If that person had never taken an Opiate before prior to this attempted suicide with SN, then I could only imagine probelms. Someone taking Opioids for the first time, even in small doses can become confused, dizzy, feel faint and light headed. nauseus perhaps, they may feel tired and need to lie down, they may feel unsteady on their feet. Any and all of these symptoms would not make it easy to then sit down and weigh out said SN powder or do any of the preparatory work needed for a successful SN poisening. This is assuming that the person took the opiate orally. If the character was to use the opiate IV then that brings into play a completely different set of problems.But as I said at the very beginning of my post, I believe that the main problem in combining both an opiate and SN is in compromising the metabolism of the SN. That is the biggest and most complex hurdle.

I forgot to mention @Jumper Geo had an idea of adding melted coconut oil to the SN powder and refrigerating it briefly to cool it down long enough to be able to mould it into sizeable bullet shapes, easy enough to consume, thus getting past the awfull salty taste which was making people vomit up the salt. An out there method but who knows, it sounds crazy enough to work??? Something to think about. You may want to contact him. I have given just a breif outline of the method.

Thanks, What a Great Idea - SN in Coconut Oil !

 

[Living sucks]

What about ingesting 20 grams SN in coconut oil (instead of water) ? Coconut oil is antacid. Add some ginger or peppermint for antiemetic.

Because no one knows if it will work. Or how it will react.

 

[whitefeather]

Thanks, What a Great Idea - SN in Coconut Oil !

Cold pressed, Unrefined, Virgin Coconut oil is alkaline . Has anyone ingested 20 mg SN with this kind of alkaline coconut oil ?

 

[Living sucks]

Cold pressed, Unrefined, Virgin Coconut oil is alkaline . Has anyone ingested 20 mg SN with this kind of alkaline coconut oil ?

No one has

i suggest read this

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...zla-rolling-papers-chocolate-flavoured.37698/