My response to VICE regarding an Upcoming Story including this Community

[Nymph]

Here it is: https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article...s-the-site-to-blame?__twitter_impression=true


fixthe26 named the site on Twitter:

We can expect an influx soon.

UGHH NOO, how I wish this site was only available for members now

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

UGHH NOO, how I wish this site was only available for members now

I suggested that weeks ago, but mods disagreed with it because reasons.

 

[Emily_Numb]

Batten down the hatches kids......

 

[Niftypoint124]

Oh I don't know much about vice, do u have some articles? What did they do?

Here's my previous post:

Oh VICE - a company that underpays their employees, has reckless sexual harassment problems, fucks over foreign fixers, and was started to fleece money of of Canadian art/culture grants from a bunch of shitheads! My least fave.

Just hit google with "VICE" and any of the terms included and you'll find plenty of articles from more reputable news organizations.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

The article wasn't as bad as I expected it to be.

 

[Nymph]

Here's my previous post:



Just hit google with "VICE" and any of the terms included and you'll find plenty of articles from more reputable news organizations.

Oh great, glad SS's public image is in Vice's hands then

 

[nerve]

I'm sorry and I try not to minimize these peoples' losses even though they're using their pain to suppress information and endanger a place I care about but I love the fake name for SS they use in the article.

 

[Fedrea]

... I feel like a lot of y'all are unfamiliar with the history of VICE ....

Enlighten us

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I'm sorry and I try not to minimize these peoples' losses even though they're using their pain to suppress information and endanger a place I care about but I love the fake name for SS they use in the article.

Yeah, sounds like a name of a business. Like you could order a hitman to assist your suicide.

 

[Niftypoint124]

Enlighten us

LMGTFY ;)

Just hit google with "VICE" and any of the terms included and you'll find plenty of articles from more reputable news organizations.

 

[Fedrea]

LMGTFY ;)

Doesn't matter what its history is, google genius. They're hypocrites

 

[Niftypoint124]

So you don't want to look it up yourself? Okay!

 

[JustABunchOfAtoms]

Is anyone part of FixThe26's Facebook page?

 

[Fedrea]

So you don't want to look it up yourself? Okay!

I mean in I have in the past, so what, they're Edgelords? Doesn't matter

 

[_Minsk]

fixthe26 is just helping us with sharing the forum link so more people find us and can join

 

[Fedrea]

The thing that concerns me most on the site is how young a lot of people are. As the surveys showed. It's always a balance between, people have a right to end their life, suffering can be so bad, versus sometimes things turn around way more than people might imagine.

And I think the latter is a lot more common when people are teenagers. I absolutely accept that this is not the case for everyone. And I accept that teenagers also have the right to self-determination. But I think a lot of people do not feel when they're older like they did in adolescence or early adulthood. Their sense of self does change a lot.

For people who really have suffered horrendously for many years, and have tried a lot to get better, that is where you can see that people like VICE writing about this, the psychologists they quote, they just don't understand. I for one am so very grateful for this site. Suicide is not easy, the most successful methods are violent and induce suffering. I am so very grateful that there is a potential exit from years of suffering. It is humane.

I know I for one had just no concept whatsoever of just how much life could make you suffer and in what varied ways, some years ago. That's what people don't get

I accept that there is no way to draw a line in between young people and even no so young for whom things might really turn around if they hang on another few years, versus people who are never going to feel better and really need to end their suffering

I suppose the most one can say is, if this site skews very young, which it does, it is concerning

 

[Nymph]

fixthe26 is just helping us with sharing the forum link so more people find us and can join

But also more pro lifers will find us and come here to preach their bullshit and troll us. Then they'll go on their Twitter and tweet about how we apparently encourage other people to ctb

 

[Niftypoint124]

I mean in I have in the past, so what, they're Edgelords? Doesn't matter

That's not the point I was making, but you seem more interested in arguing than reading the entirety of the thread. Be well.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yeah, that made-up name for the site wasn't editorializing at all to skew opinions.

I love how the journalist acted so moral and circumspect about not sharing the name of the site, but then mentioned that Vice had published an article about the site in 2015. Really difficult to figure out the site name, so, so hard. Good job covering it up for the well-being of all. I think they'll be nominated for the next Nobel Peace Prize for sure.

Here's what I thought was the best part of the article, and I mean that sincerely, no sarcasm at all. I'm glad it was included:

​

"In the U.S., there is this very poorly funded public health infrastructure around suicide," [April] Foreman [a psychologist on the executive board of the American Association of Suicidology] said. "While a child was on that site, it may have made things worse. But their child was suicidal before. They didn't just show up at that site. As angry as we can be about these websites, we're holding these websites so much more accountable than the public health system."​

I would say it's more than just the public health system, but the entire governmental "social" system, such as child protective services, which for a child is usually jumping from the frying pan into the fire, not only endangering them even worse but in fact making some more prone to suicide as a way to escape the hell of their lives. Or services that are supposed to protect victims of domestic violence but instead protect and even enable the perpetrators -- how often do we have members posting that their only way out of an abusive relationship is to end their lives?

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

But also more pro lifers will find us and come here to preach their bullshit and troll us. Then they'll go on their Twitter and tweet about how we apparently encourage other people to ctb

I am looking forward to this, in a way, forum has been kind of boring lately. It will also be fun to read their impotent rage filled tweets.

 

[_Kaira_]

Here it is: https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article...s-the-site-to-blame?__twitter_impression=true


fixthe26 named the site on Twitter:

We can expect an influx soon.

I was afraid of this. It's already begun. A 'positivity' thread was started an hour ago, and recently deleted/banned




"A bunch of people in horrible pain found each other and are doing some things that could increase all their risk of dying. Meanwhile, we've left them all the responsibility. We've decided to not invest in understanding and relieving their pain. If we did something about people's pain that was reliable, helped and had good science behind it, you wouldn't need websites like that."

I don't agree with the whole quote, and I think there's a lot of issues with that article. But overall, someone's finally starting to understand.

 

[Deleted member 14573]

"While a child was on that site, it may have made things worse. But their child was suicidal before. They didn't just show up at that site. As angry as we can be about these websites, we're holding these websites so much more accountable than the public health system."

Most reasonable quote in the article.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

The article did make a few reasonable points at least even if it felt like they were trying to save face a lot by occasionally jabbing us or by posting someone else's quote condemning us.

At least this line from one of the psychologists made sense to me and is exactly why I find Fixthe26's message laughable:

But he feels strongly that the answer isn't to censor talk about suicide. "That is that exact opposite mentality that we should have here," he said. "This idea that if we don't talk about these things, it'll just go away or it won't be as big of a problem is exactly what brings people to these sites in the first place."

 

[Lone_Gray_Wolf]

Yeah, that made-up name for the site wasn't editorializing at all to skew opinions.

I love how the journalist acted so moral and circumspect about not sharing the name of the site, but then mentioned that Vice had published an article about the site in 2015. Really difficult to figure out the site name, so, so hard. Good job covering it up for the well-being of all. I think they'll be nominated for the next Nobel Peace Prize for sure.

Here's what I thought was the best part of the article, and I mean that sincerely, no sarcasm at all. I'm glad it was included:

​

"In the U.S., there is this very poorly funded public health infrastructure around suicide," [April] Foreman [a psychologist on the executive board of the American Association of Suicidology] said. "While a child was on that site, it may have made things worse. But their child was suicidal before. They didn't just show up at that site. As angry as we can be about these websites, we're holding these websites so much more accountable than the public health system."​

I would say it's more than just the public health system, but the entire governmental "social" system, such as child protective services, which for a child is usually jumping from the frying pan into the fire, not only endangering them even worse but in fact making some more prone to suicide as a way to escape the hell of their lives. Or services that are supposed to protect victims of domestic violence but instead protect and even enable the perpetrators -- how often do we have members posting that their only way out of an abusive relationship is to end their lives?

I agree with you. The section you quoted was actually my favorite of them all and the article itself isn't as bad as I expected. Props to her for trying to keep a medium ground between judgemental and comprehensive.

 

[Deleted member 23586]

I dont have much to add to the conversation, but the name they came up with is SENDING me.
Of all the names they could've come up with they chose THAT?!

 

[thisismyusername]

fixthe26 is just helping us with sharing the forum link so more people find us and can join

Isn't that the very thing they are trying to stop and avoid? From directing traffic to the site? Seems like a terrible direction. Plus, I do not understand why they would share such personal things of the kids in the article. Although, I am not happy that they passed away, I don't find sharing anecdotal stories helpful in their memories. Only wish the best for their families, but just seems like a strange approach to grieving the passings of their children.

 

[_Kaira_]

Isn't that the very thing they are trying to stop and avoid? From directing traffic to the site? Seems like a terrible direction. Plus, I do not understand why they would share such personal things of the kids in the article. Although, I am not happy that they passed away, I don't find sharing anecdotal stories helpful in their memories. Only wish the best for their families, but just seems like a strange approach to grieving the passings of their children.

Sadly, it probably gives the parents affiliated with them a sense of purpose in their attempts to get SS down since their child is gone. :\

 

[thisismyusername]

Sadly, it probably gives the parents affiliated with them a sense of purpose in their attempts to get SS down since their child is gone. :\

But to me, it seems insincere to the feelings and headspace that their children went through at the time of ctb... (not that it is insincere, because I don't know the parents and cant imagine the beginning of pain they feel in the aftermath and I heavily empathize with their grief)... Its just weird to me, and I wish we could be more honest with how people live and how people actually got to the point of ctb or joining forums like this... thats why this place exists, because there isn't gonna be a place where we can all get it off of our chests without hurting ourselves anyways... Might as well feel good about our bad things. Im not saying don't be an advocate against suicide, I am saying, why cant suicidal people even think/talk about suicide without being ostracized and then made into an angel of the heavens when they pass away?

 

[_Kaira_]

But to me, it seems insincere to the feelings and headspace that their children went through at the time of ctb... (not that it is insincere, because I don't know the parents and cant imagine the beginning of pain they feel in the aftermath and I heavily empathize with their grief)... Its just weird to me, and I wish we could be more honest with how people live and how people actually got to the point of ctb or joining forums like this... thats why this place exists, because there isn't gonna be a place where we can all get it off of our chests without hurting ourselves anyways... Might as well feel good about our bad things. Im not saying don't be an advocate against suicide, I am saying, why cant suicidal people even think/talk about suicide without being ostracized and then made into an angel of the heavens when they pass away?

Well, I agree. Using their kids' story as a way to push an agenda feels weird to me. No one can speak for the dead.
They'd rather blame SS for existing, rather than looking more into the reasons why their kids felt suicidal to begin with.

Oh no, they were only suicidal AFTER they found SS. Jfc.



"Providing info on how to kill yourself is murder" or whatever. Ok, so suppose this site didn't exist. What then? Do they think their kids would stop from pursuing what they believed would bring them peace? Would they rather they continue going through a cycle of visits to the psych wards and incapable of emotion because of medications? To the point they would just perform failed attempt after failed attempt, risking permanent loss of functions? What the hell kind of life is that?

Nahhh, they expect instant recovery. Pray the sad away type sh*t.

I do feel bad for the parents. Really I do. But this blaming BS of SS and calling us evil murderers is just ludicrous.
Yes it is sad, but this is not a productive way to make change for those who are gone.

 

[Deleted member 23374]

I have to say i don't feel sorry for the parents just because they're the parents.
I remember being a kid. Some parents deserve their suffering. They deserve to be
punished with the knowledge of their failure/betrayal.
That's an ugly truth.