Help My Plan, with troubleshooting

[MessyNonsense]

After my first idea turned out to be one that wouldn't work, I've decided to try CO. After reading around this site and this great CO manual: https://www.sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/charcoal-method-advice.94265/#post-1655792 i've decided on a plan I think should work. FYI, the second half of this post is math relating to my alcohol tolerance, so read if you like but you don't have to, I'd love as much input as possible and don't want people to be put off by a long read.

I have an entirely unventilated, small closet (approx. 5.97 cubic meters) in a relatively newly built house. I'm going to order gorilla tape to seal the door frame gaps, along with plenty of lump charcoal, lighter fluid, a CO meter, and a portable grill. I'm going to light the charcoal outside until it turns white, then bring it into the closet. I'll take the benzos I've been stockpiling, but not the alcohol (since the linked post says alcohol can actually reduce your body's reaction to the CO.)

Some kinks I haven't worked out, please advise:
- Am I supposed to bring the charcoal into the closet, THEN seal up the door frame? Won't I pass out before I get halfway done sealing the door? Then the CO will leak and I'll live. I can hardly seal the door before going in, after all. Nothing I've read talks about this.
- The benzos will almost certainly cause my breathing to slow, possibly to negligible levels - won't that run the risk of me not breathing in enough CO? Everything I've read doesn't talk about this, despite many advising benzos or sleeping pills in addition to CO so as to ease the process.
- I'm unsure whether I should use alcohol in addition to the benzos. The manual I linked says:

Alcohol should be used only moderately in this method, because it dilates the finest blood vessels and thus could possibly counteract a hemoglobin blockade of the carbon monoxide, as experience at least vaguely suggests.

But I want to cover all my bases; if the alcohol could really increase the CNS depression of the benzos, that could be either good (if it makes me more peaceful) or bad (if it slows my breathing so much that I'm not inhaling enough CO to kill me, but not slowed enough to die from respiratory depression). For context, I've never drank before except for a little communion wine as a kid, so I have zero tolerance to alcohol. The alcohol I have is in the form of about 6 tiny bottles of something 10ml each, they say "20% alcohol (brandy)", and a 2oz bottle of something else which says it's 25% ethanol.

Hard to determine exactly how much actual alcohol this all amounts to, since the smaller bottles are ambiguous as to whether they mean 20% brandy or 20% actual ethanol (for those who don't know, alcoholic drinks are only partly comprised of actual drinkable alcohol (ethanol)). Google AI said: "Brandy typically contains between 35% and 60% ethanol by volume (ABV), which is equal to 70 to 120 US proof. However, the vast majority of commercial brandies—including Cognac, Armagnac, and standard fruit brandies—are bottled at exactly 40% ABV 80 proof."

So it looks like I've got 0.5oz of ethanol from the larger bottle (close to the 0.6oz ethanol per 1.5oz shot of hard liquor). Plus, let's say, 12ml of ethanol total from the other bottles, assuming each one is 40% ABV, which equals just a hair over 0.4oz ethanol. Totalling almost a whole ounce of ethanol. Someone please check me on this however, I'm pretty brainfogged.

So for me, someone with zero alcohol tolerance, what kind of effect would an ounce of alcohol (remember, a whole ounce of actual ethanol) have on me? Would it constrict my blood vessels and hinder the CO? Would it make the benzos suppress my breathing too much to breath in enough CO? Might it even make me vomit? Or would it just help things?

 

[hdead]

I just spent weeks thinking about doing this method and wrote a post in the CO Megathread.

Carbon monoxide megathread

It's the same thing with drug overdoses, more likely to die on accident than on purpose. As for the house and charcoal it all depends on the person, I'm probably going to rent an average sized single family house and get 16 lbs of charcoal (which is more than enough) but I'm also going to be...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Perhaps it will give you some insight into my findings.

 

[myra]

but you might Catch the whole house on fire if you're bringing the charcoal into the house.

 

[deadlyace13]

i had a similar thought but doing it in my car. off some hiking trail. a bathroom might be better and more flame resistant

 

[MessyNonsense]

I just spent weeks thinking about doing this method and wrote a post in the CO Megathread.

Carbon monoxide megathread

It's the same thing with drug overdoses, more likely to die on accident than on purpose. As for the house and charcoal it all depends on the person, I'm probably going to rent an average sized single family house and get 16 lbs of charcoal (which is more than enough) but I'm also going to be...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Perhaps it will give you some insight into my findings.

Good post. I think you're probably right about not doing alcohol and not going overboard on the benzos. But you talk about not fully sealing the room, so there remains enough oxygen for the combustion to keep happening and not get snuffed out early. This presents a problem for me, since I live with other people--i don't want to poison them, or for the house's CO alarms to go off and f with my plans.

but you might Catch the whole house on fire if you're bringing the charcoal into the house.

It's not like i'm throwing the burning charcoal on the carpet, lmao. It's going in a portable grill

i had a similar thought but doing it in my car. off some hiking trail. a bathroom might be better and more flame resistant

Bathroom probably would be more flame resistant, but also harder to seal up and prevent the escape of CO gasses, on account of all the vents and stuff. @hdead talks about super high ppm not being as important as people think, and stresses long exposure time as a more important factor. However, i myself am unsure what to think. Seems like there's some conflicting opinions floating around about whether you should fully seal your space to prevent CO escaping, or leave it partially unsealed so that combustion doesn't stop prematurely

 

[hdead]

Good post. I think you're probably right about not doing alcohol and not going overboard on the benzos. But you talk about not fully sealing the room, so there remains enough oxygen for the combustion to keep happening and not get snuffed out early. This presents a problem for me, since I live with other people--i don't want to poison them, or for the house's CO alarms to go off and f with my plans.

Oof, yeah I cannot advise to that. Sealed or not, poisoning others is a big risk and you don't want to put others' life in danger like that.

 

[MessyNonsense]

Oof, yeah I cannot advise to that. Sealed or not, poisoning others is a big risk and you don't want to put others' life in danger like that.

There's no real danger of them getting poisoned, because if my CO leaks then the house's CO alarms will go off and they'll just leave the house. What i'm worried about is getting caught due to the alarms going off, so i'm wondering if a fully sealed space is better (no leaks, but also no airflow helping the charcoal continue burning) or if an unsealed space is better (airflow so the charcoal doesn't get snuffed out, but CO possibly leaks out and sets off the alarms, or it doesn't build up a high enough concentration to kill me)

 

[hdead]

There's no real danger of them getting poisoned, because if my CO leaks then the house's CO alarms will go off and they'll just leave the house. What i'm worried about is getting caught due to the alarms going off, so i'm wondering if a fully sealed space is better (no leaks, but also no airflow helping the charcoal continue burning) or if an unsealed space is better (airflow so the charcoal doesn't get snuffed out, but CO possibly leaks out and sets off the alarms, or it doesn't build up a high enough concentration to kill me)

All I can say is please don't put others at risk. You cannot assume the alarms will go off and they will just leave the house. This is, in my humble opinion, reckless behaviour and you should really reconsider your location.

When it comes to the technicalities - the stories we read about incidental CO poisonings are not taking place in sealed rooms. It's due to long time exposure to lower amounts of CO (I presume <1000ppm range for perhaps 8 hours).

 

[MessyNonsense]

All I can say is please don't put others at risk. You cannot assume the alarms will go off and they will just leave the house. This is, in my humble opinion, reckless behaviour and you should really reconsider your location.

When it comes to the technicalities - the stories we read about incidental CO poisonings are not taking place in sealed rooms. It's due to long time exposure to lower amounts of CO (I presume <1000ppm range for perhaps 8 hours).

You seem focused on trying to replicate accidental CO deaths, but I wonder if that's actually the best way? Why not go for high concentration and quick death, rather than lower concentration and prolonged exposure? In your post on the megathread, you implied that a fully sealed room could lead to the charcoal cumbustion process stopping too soon from lack of oxygen to fuel combustion. This seems like the only legitimate reason to go for long exposure rather than high concentration. But is that a legitimate concern, given the size of my space? And does it matter whether combustion stops--i mean, as long as i get a super high concentration i'll be dead before that happens, right? If i could successfully CTB with a fully sealed room, isn't that better than leaving the room unsealed and open to potential leaks, which as you say, could be risky to others?