Discussion My letter to EXIT Int. about Sarco.

[pen]

The biggest Sarcos ever:
Poultry plant accident in Georgia turns entire building into nitrogen exit bag | Sanctioned Suicide (sanctioned-suicide.net)
Augusta, GA at a sperm bank called Xytex

 

[Zhontafly]

From the looks of things here it really seems as if most of you didn't get the point of me writing them this letter and posting it and the return email with my commentary on the matter.

Those that understood, please feel free to add to the discussion and help restore some of my faith in this community. Would be much appreciated!

 

[Zhontafly]

Oh, come on now, you know what I mean. It's one thing to do it with your own hand and another to put it a sausage and kill your neighbor's dog. What's wrong with you, people? Just because I am depressed and want that substance, it doesn't mean others have to suffer.

What the hell are you talking about? What's wrong with you people? It was ONLY me who typed it! :D

Look, I will be nice and put this as simply and clearly as I can currently muster. I am going to give you a basic speech that has been said in many other ways and an innumerable amount of times.

Just because there are SOME people that will misuse or abuse things does not mean that they (those things) should be made illegal or controlled/restricted by government/authorities.

Putting Nembutal in a sausage and feeding it to a dog? That's your example! :D You are really out there buddy!

Another example (there are so many!): truth is that there are some people that hit into other people, animals and other peoples pets every day with automobiles. Mostly accidents but sometimes on purpose. Do you want that to be illegal, to own a car because of that?

And because you mentioned poisoning someone's dog: Recently dog food was in the press for being poisonous and killing some peoples pets. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55659116 Shall governments make it illegal to buy store bought pet food now because one company shipped out poisonous pet food?

Life isn't perfect (whatever YOUR idea of that is), life isnt really secure(that's an illusion, it's never really SAFE, the world is deadly dangerous) some people are (to put it simply) assholes and shit happens so get real!

Wake up and grow up to the truth and reality.

I know this is not what you probably want to hear, but the Sarco is really a glorified full-body Exit Bag!

It will cost you thousands of dollars! Even worse, commercial 3-D printing stores may not print the parts for you if they become aware of your intentions. In addition to the 3-D printed parts, you will need to deal with the electronic controls and any requisite firmware. I hope you can program!

The fact that Dr. Nitschke is unable to produce the Sarco and sell the machine himself means that it is not commercially viable. Finally, you are dealing with liquid nitrogen which is accompanied by safety handling concerns.

This is all smoke-and-mirrors to increase the subscriber base for his PPeH.

I understood that from the get-go (Sarco being just a futuristic full body exit bag/coffin)and that's not the purpose of this thread. I am not going to repeat it as to not call everyone who read it an idiot.

 

[Isitmytime]

What the hell are you talking about? What's wrong with you people? It was ONLY me who typed it! :D

Look, I will be nice and put this as simply and clearly as I can currently muster. I am going to give you a basic speech that has been said in many other ways and an innumerable amount of times.

Just because there are SOME people that will misuse or abuse things does not mean that they (those things) should be made illegal or controlled/restricted by government/authorities.

Putting Nembutal in a sausage and feeding it to a dog? That's your example! :D You are really out there buddy!

Another example (there are so many!): truth is that there are some people that hit into other people, animals and other peoples pets every day with automobiles. Mostly accidents but sometimes on purpose. Do you want that to be illegal, to own a car because of that?

And because you mentioned poisoning someone's dog: Recently dog food was in the press for being poisonous and killing some peoples pets. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55659116 Shall governments make it illegal to buy store bought pet food now because one company shipped out poisonous pet food?

Life isn't perfect (whatever YOUR idea of that is), life isnt really secure(that's an illusion, it's never really SAFE, the world is deadly dangerous) some people are (to put it simply) assholes and shit happens so get real!

Wake up and grow up to the truth and reality.

I understood that from the get-go (Sarco being just a futuristic full body exit bag/coffin)and that's not the purpose of this thread. I am not going to repeat it as to not call everyone who read it an idiot.

I detailed more about why I think it's not a good idea to make substances freely available in another post. Not that I wouldn't like it for myself. But as long as you can't consider others and other opinions, I am not going to argue. I don't want to call anyone an entitled brat, either....

 

[Zhontafly]

I detailed more about why I think it's not a good idea to make substances freely available in another post. Not that I wouldn't like it for myself. But as long as you can't consider others and other opinions, I am not going to argue. I don't want to call anyone an entitled brat, either....

I explained why your opinion is faulty based on the ridiculous example YOU gave. :D Entitled brat?

 

[pen]

I've had this coming before, as soon as someone is engaged in showing a good method to CTB, they tell don't do it, cuz everybody is gonna to use it to kill someone else.
The last was: A criminal would compel someone to enter the sarco, located in a clinic, and kill himself, or the criminal would kill his family if they don't.
Clever huh!

 

[UterEntonaur]

I know this is not what you probably want to hear, but the Sarco is really a glorified full-body Exit Bag!

This is all smoke-and-mirrors to increase the subscriber base for his PPeH.

I have to agree with this.... even the FAQ on the Sarco site says:

"The plans will in due course be published in The Peaceful Pill eHandbook. It will be up to the individual concerned to source a 3D printer and the requisite liquid nitrogen."

 

[aeon]

The main purpose of the Sarco is to demedicalize assisted suicide so AS orgs won't need a doctor to prescribe pentobarbital, no need for medical involvment. It was never intended to be manufactured and sold to the public.
A glorified exit bag....Yes certainly, but many people won't consider euthanasia by exit bag for aesthetic reasons, and no assisted suicide organisation would ever use the exit bag as such.

I personally think the Sarco is a great idea and I would love to go out that way.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

From the looks of things here it really seems as if most of you didn't get the point of me writing them this letter and posting it and the return email with my commentary on the matter.

Those that understood, please feel free to add to the discussion and help restore some of my faith in this community. Would be much appreciated!

Oh, shit, I better step up. I gathered that sarcos won't be mass-produced anytime soon and possibilities of these suicide centers are put on ice for now. Still, all we need is one Musk or Bezos to get this ball rolling

 

[Zhontafly]

I have to agree with this.... even the FAQ on the Sarco site says:

"The plans will in due course be published in The Peaceful Pill eHandbook. It will be up to the individual concerned to source a 3D printer and the requisite liquid nitrogen."

I already said that I understood from the get-go (beginning) that it is basically just a futuristic full body exit bag/coffin. That said, I still like the idea! I also have already said that I dont like the current model that they are saying they are going to release it in. This is why I wrote them the letter. I tried to gently and kindly recommend to them to go into production of these machines (Yes I know how they are made with 3d Printers) and have them available in what I called, 'Sarco Centers'.
These centers would be placed in countries where right to die laws are already in effect and they would be produced right there with those printers. Why not? The idea is to get them to further the goals of the right to die movements/pro-choice freedom lovers like us (right?) and give people a peaceful readily available option. That option could eventually help (with cooperation from people like us) to remove the taboo from the subjects of assisted death/suicide and euthanasia as so many people would flock to these countries for assisted death. I also mentioned in the letter that they would have all the tools necessary at these centers to get people approved quickly- sign your name (all the necessary current legalese), pay for the cost of the device, employees etc, , get instructions on how to self activate it, get in the Sarco casket, push the button or whatever and be on your peaceful way. Am I saying something bad by suggesting this to EXIT INT.? What am I missing here? EDIT: SOME of you guys seem to have a really bad prejudgement on EXIT Int. on this. And to repeat myself again clearly, I understand that the model they are pushing right now for this is disatisfactory and that's why I wrote to them, cause I would like to change their mind and help out as many people as possible before I self terminate.

 

[UterEntonaur]

SOME of you guys seem to have a really bad prejudgement on EXIT Int. on this.

There's no hate or bad prejudgement from me friend

Am I saying something bad by suggesting this to EXIT INT.?

The reason why I totally agree with Greenberg's "smoke-and-mirrors" commen,t is this because of what's written in Sarco's FAQ, and your post regarding the reply you received to your email.

I don't meet the age requirement to subscribe to the PPeH, but considering that 3D printed designs are STL files, how exactly were they going to "publish" them? They're files - they'd have to upload them somewhere so subscribers could download them. Then, anyone who has them could share the files with whoever they wanted (the same way a JPG/GIF/PNG image can be shared), and even modify the design if they wished because.... they're just STL files :shrug

Secondly, printing something that "life-size" is incredibly time-consuming and expensive, so I can totally understand if Exit Int. has no plans to manufacture the device. It would require printing multiple parts, on an large 3D printer, that would still have to be assembled together (post-print). You'd have to go to a commercial print shop just to get the pieces fabricated, unless you had $$$ to spend on a printer, and the technical knowledge to do it yourself. I also read the part in this thread about a pin/authorisation code, but I didn't understand how that related to the 3D print designs they'd share, as you can't 3D print "electronics". And if the electronics was a module of some-sort that you'd have to buy, well you'd just modify the design/STI files, so the module was irrelevant.

Personally (as in - just my personal opinion) if you have to build the whole thing yourself, it just sounds like a super expensive and time-consuming balloon, where you sit inside and fill it up with nitrogen. And if it's something they'd build, and you'd have to pay to go use it, then they'd have to re-coup the costs back somehow (and I don't think many people would be able to afford it)

Maybe I'm missing the point of the Sarco, or maybe it's not designed towards people like me, but I just feel that if I had the kind of money to do all that.... I'd be on the first plane to Mexico and I'd just throw money around until I got some PB/"N from A"

 

[Zhontafly]

There's no hate or bad prejudgement from me friend


The reason why I totally agree with Greenberg's "smoke-and-mirrors" commen,t is this because of what's written in Sarco's FAQ, and your post regarding the reply you received to your email.

I don't meet the age requirement to subscribe to the PPeH, but considering that 3D printed designs are STL files, how exactly were they going to "publish" them? They're files - they'd have to upload them somewhere so subscribers could download them. Then, anyone who has them could share the files with whoever they wanted (the same way a JPG/GIF/PNG image can be shared), and even modify the design if they wished because.... they're just STL files :shrug

Secondly, printing something that "life-size" is incredibly time-consuming and expensive, so I can totally understand if Exit Int. has no plans to manufacture the device. It would require printing multiple parts, on an large 3D printer, that would still have to be assembled together (post-print). You'd have to go to a commercial print shop just to get the pieces fabricated, unless you had $$$ to spend on a printer, and the technical knowledge to do it yourself. I also read the part in this thread about a pin/authorisation code, but I didn't understand how that related to the 3D print designs they'd share, as you can't 3D print "electronics". And if the electronics was a module of some-sort that you'd have to buy, well you'd just modify the design/STI files, so the module was irrelevant.

Personally (as in - just my personal opinion) if you have to build the whole thing yourself, it just sounds like a super expensive and time-consuming balloon, where you sit inside and fill it up with nitrogen. And if it's something they'd build, and you'd have to pay to go use it, then they'd have to re-coup the costs back somehow (and I don't think many people would be able to afford it)

Maybe I'm missing the point of the Sarco, or maybe it's not designed towards people like me, but I just feel that if I had the kind of money to do all that.... I'd be on the first plane to Mexico and I'd just throw money around until I got some PB/"N from A"

Thanks for sharing in the discussion. I understand and agree with the points you raise. I see lots of problems with their planned release model. I tried to encourage and push them a simple sensible idea to move it forward in way that it would benefit way more people and they simply replied that they have no plans to sell them, which was a disappointing and empty response to my proposal, but oh well. It was really just glossing over and ignoring the point I was making,
They are sticking to their planned release, (though I and others find it absurd) and they added that they would probably be using one in Switzerland sometime this year. As if that were going to make me cheer joyfully, but that didnt leave me with any real positive feeling on it.
I still like the idea very much, I see potential but I am very disappointed in them to say the least.

 

[enuff]

For people who don't know what a Sarco is: https://www.exitinternational.net/sarco/portable/

yeah check out that link. that is a nice ride!

 

[FromGermany]

"That said, it is expected the first Sarco will be used in Switzerland at some point in 2021."

2021 is almost over.