Discussion "Most of the suicidal men that I work with - their mind isn't malfunctioning - they genuinely have a life that is no longer worth living"

[BeedyBee]

 

[Life]

Wow

 

[Stoked]

Brutal but makes perfect sense

 

[Boller Bryant]

I know it's rather out of context but that tweet from Dr. K is being attacked by Twitter users as of right now.

Source:

 

[hadenough58]

I know it's rather out of context but that tweet from Dr. K is being attacked by Twitter users

I think that is because men generally make decisions through logic rather than emotion but as with all things there are always exceptions

 

[Endofit]

It makes sense. I'm one of these men

 

[carac]

I watched the long form interview, it's on the podcast of A diary of a CEO. It was a bit male centric but overall quite well balanced

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I think that is because men generally make decisions through logic rather than emotion but as with all things there are always exceptions

Why did you feel the need to add gender into this. Logical decision making has nothing to do with gender. Most men, as is the case with everyone in general, use a mixture of emotions and logic when making decisions. Emotions and logic aren't opposites of each other and emotions do play a vital role in proper decision making. Gender doesn't act as a good predictor of whether or not someone will make a decision using their emotions or not. This type of needlessly gendered view on such basic things is headache inducing.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I definitely think that a lot of people who kill themselves aren't mentally ill but rather just simply aware of reality and how pointless it is to continue suffering in it

 

[arnxxx]

I watched the long form interview, it's on the podcast of A diary of a CEO. It was a bit male centric but overall quite well balanced

Do you have a link of it?

 

[rozeske]

I know it's rather out of context but that tweet from Dr. K is being attacked by Twitter users as of right now.

In a society where mostly the suicider is blamed....ya am afraid a lot of that is bound to happen

 

[hadenough58]

Why did you feel the need to add gender into this. Logical decision making has nothing to do with gender. Most men, as is the case with everyone in general, use a mixture of emotions and logic when making decisions. Emotions and logic aren't opposites of each other and emotions do play a vital role in proper decision making. Gender doesn't act as a good predictor of whether or not someone will make a decision using their emotions or not. This type of needlessly gendered view on such basic things is headache inducing.

Because the original post specifically said that 50% of "Men" and so it was totally appropriate to comment on his gender specific research?

 

[BlockHammer]

Well, all i said is that dr k was right about suicidal man. And yet everybody think that the only reason was because our brain is "broken" which's baffling to me of how ignorant those asshole was

I think he's ghe only psychtiarist that i kindda trust despite sometimes there's a statement that i genuine confused or disagree with

 

[carac]

Do you have a link of it?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Because the original post specifically said that 50% of "Men" and so it was totally appropriate to comment on his gender specific research?

Yeah, but gender doesn't have anything to do with how you make decisions, outside of maybe impacting how you might views things due to socialization and gender expectations. Logical and emotional decision making isn't gendered and most people use both, as they are supposed to.

 

[carac]

Well, all i said is that dr k was right about suicidal man. And yet everybody think that the only reason was because our brain is "broken" which's baffling to me of how ignorant those asshole was

I think he's ghe only psychtiarist that i kindda trust despite sometimes there's a statement that i genuine confused or disagree with

Yea I like Dr K too, I've been following since he worked with the gamer Reckful. He is ony human so I do disagree with some of the things he says or the lines he takes. He also comes across a a bit of a shill sometimes but I guess he is just trying to expand his work and advertise like everybody else.

I do find him genuine though

 

[hadenough58]

Yeah, but gender doesn't have anything to do with how you make decisions, outside of maybe impacting how you might views things due to socialization and gender expectations. Logical and emotional decision making isn't gendered and most people use both, as they are supposed to.

Then I think you need to take that up with Dr K

 

[surroundedbydemons]

That might be true. My anecdotal observation is that some men have/had no guidance in their lives; therefore, they feel like there is literally nothing worth living for...
But that might be confirmation bias on my part because I also think that way.

 

[lopsidedcrawdad1]

Yea I like Dr K too, I've been following since he worked with the gamer Reckful. He is ony human so I do disagree with some of the things he says or the lines he takes. He also comes across a a bit of a shill sometimes but I guess he is just trying to expand his work and advertise like everybody else.

I do find him genuine though

Thats not necessarily true. Womens decisions are generally more motivated by emotion than mens. Its just a biological difference. Since women were the ones that would typically raise and nurture children, their brains evolved to have their thought processes more closely tied to emotion. Thats why women are likely to attempt suicide but men are more likely to use lethal methods to do so.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I fully relate to the title.

 

[DreamEnd]

Yeah, but gender doesn't have anything to do with how you make decisions, outside of maybe impacting how you might views things due to socialization and gender expectations. Logical and emotional decision making isn't gendered and most people use both, as they are supposed to.

It absolutely does. There are vast amounts of psychological and biological literature linking behavior patterns to sex. Men are more interested with solving problems connected to things, women with people hence the according career choices. This is just one example.
With regards to socialisation men are absolutely taught to be less expressive of their emotions so what the guy you responded to said originally isn't totally incorrect

 

[sserafim]

What does he say about suicidal women?

 

[UKscotty]

Why would someone with a normal mind CTB. That logic makes no sense to me.

I know people say they are not depressed or ill, but healthy minds do not want to CTB.

A healthy mind wants to survive and thrive.

 

[Kawaii_Shoujo215]

Why would someone with a normal mind CTB. That logic makes no sense to me.

I know people say they are not depressed or ill, but healthy minds do not want to CTB.

A healthy mind wants to survive and thrive.

A healthy mind may want to survive and thrive, but be unable to do so due to circumstances, bodily illness or health problems, or general difficulty with living. If someone is in constant unbearable pain, it is a sign of a healthy mind to want that pain to end, since that would be in one's best interest.

Besides, there's no objective value in life - everyone defines the value of their own life differently. Why is saying "no" to living necessarily a sign of an unhealthy mind? What makes life so inherently valuable that not wanting it is a sign of pathology or problem within the person themselves, rather than simply an expression of individuality, like what occupation, hobby or interest one has?
Is the wish to divorce a sign of an unhealthy mind?