Men are a little strange to me

[Pidgeons_Sparrows]

theres bad people on both sides

 

[terminalending]

Let me guess. You are as much into sex as the orangutans you like to fuck. Then after the fact, sick of having lowered yourself this way you project your self-disgust and your disgust for them onto the entire male sex, deeming everyone a sex-obsessed orangutan. Many such cases.

That or you are the typical lesbian who objectifies women just as much as the average male orangutan, but thinks her objectification is made sooo different and pure by the absence of a penis.

seems like I struck a nerve. you are so emotional, which deems strange, because the structures of society you men built is against men being emotional. it may be another sign of unintelligence.
see, even your response is derogatory and centres around sex. you are a sex maniac. i dont view sex like you do.
you know what even more cases there is of? men like you, being shamelessly ridiculous.

theres bad people on both sides

the question is which has more. what is the ratio

 

[BoredomSeeker]

You think being a good man is not sticking your penis in something? You have funny jokes.

I think you are missing my point. Why are you focused on the one part you can defend?

Men are afraid of women? I see. I can believe that. But, you know, how about the women who died in the hands of men? I'd like to hear them report their killer. Oh, wait, it isn't possible. Tell me, how many men are killed in the hands of women for being men? Are you afriad of being a man? What harm will you face as a man in the hands of women? tell me, my curiousity is being stimulated.

Google is your tool! Take consideration scinece journals, articles, manifestos, testamonies.., what more?

See, you're doing it! Women are on equal footing today? You are so funny. So funny! Shall we take a look outside of America? i don't see that equality. Your eyes, they're stuck in your bubble. Women exist outside of it. 178 countries! That many countries have unequality between man and woman. You are ignorant, which is shocking in the day of technology!

Is it because you are unintelligent?

You think being a good man is not sticking your penis in something? You have funny jokes.

Well sticking dicks in women is men's evolutionary purpose, as is birthing babies for women. Most people however would choose not to define themselves by this definition though. I don't think you see yourself as a baby-machine?

I think you are missing my point. Why are you focused on the one part you can defend?

I stated that I wasn't certain what your point was. If I am missing it, could you tell me what it is? Also, I am not focusing on the one part I can defend. I responded to all your claims.

Men are afraid of women? I see. I can believe that. But, you know, how about the women who died in the hands of men? I'd like to hear them report their killer. Oh, wait, it isn't possible. Tell me, how many men are killed in the hands of women for being men? Are you afriad of being a man? What harm will you face as a man in the hands of women? tell me, my curiousity is being stimulated.

About 0.006% of men in the US were murderers in 2021, in comparison to roughly 0.0006% of women. More men were murderers, yes. But since you are claiming all men are bad from 0.006%, can I claim that 10% of women are bad because of 0.0006%? Obviously not.

I am also not afraid of being a man. Are you afraid of being a woman?

1 in 3 victims of domestic abuse are men, although this number varies from 1 in 6 to 1 in 2 depending on the source. In any case, that's not a negligible amount.

See, you're doing it! Women are on equal footing today? You are so funny. So funny! Shall we take a look outside of America?

I live in Europe. My profile states as much. I'm well aware that women aren't on equal standing everywhere, primarily in muslim countries for example. This doesn't mean that the situation isn't vastly improving in most places however.

You are ignorant, which is shocking in the day of technology!

Plenty of people are ignorant, though I don't know how you deduced that I am as such from my 2 messages. Even if I were ignorant, it wouldn't invalidate my arguments if you don't have good rebuttals.

 

[terminalending]

I am sorry but u are arguing that the Genders Men and Woman are inherently different. Every piece of research we have suggest otherwise, it suggest that Gender is a social construct and there are no inherent differences. I am sorry to tell u but u are arguing against science rn...


Not trying to be offend u in any way, but if a woman were to defend someone would that be bc she is good or bc she is trying to convince herself? If u say yes to this, then u have a circular argument. Men are bad bc men are bad. If u say no then you have made no argument that Men are worse.
I think you are projecting from the entire group of men on the individual. And yes many men are shit. And men as a group are. But that doesnt say that every man has to be shit... I hope this made sense

i do not talk of gender as a social construct! i beg you, you are differing. how about this; people with penises.
hold on, i'll edit this and come back

 

[angel31]

Let me guess. You are as much into sex as the orangutans you like to fuck. Then after the fact, sick of having lowered yourself this way you project your self-disgust and your disgust for them onto the entire male sex, deeming everyone a sex-obsessed orangutan. Many such cases.

That or you are the typical lesbian who objectifies women just as much as the average male orangutan, but thinks her objectification is made sooo different and pure by the absence of a penis.

1. Please stay civilized
2. There is no such thing as a "typical lesbian" and by saying that ur doing the same thing ur complaining about...

i do not talk of gender as a social construct! i beg you, you are differing. how about this; people with penises.
hold on, i'll edit this and come back

Ok. So trans women included? Ace Men too? Intersex people? My point is that it is all a spectrum, and u cant generalize. There is no all men are the same. It is not black and white like that. And im trying to be as factual and scientific here as possible, bc this is a very emotional topic.

the question is which has more. what is the ratio

Im not sure if I maybe misunderstood ur point, but didnt u say that all men are inherently bad? So this would mean that ur ratio is 100% on one side. I agree with u though that there are more bad men out there. But this is not bc they are inherently bad, but bc they are socially "conditioned" and "able" to be so. Thats what research suggests. And if u look at other cultures in other times, where the man-woman situation was/is completely different, then ull see what I mean. There were matriachies for example... Where women did the stuff u are complaining about. Bc society told them thats what they are supposed to do...

 

[Lucilius]

seems like I struck a nerve. you are so emotional, which deems strange, because the structures of society you men built is against men being emotional. it may be another sign of unintelligence.
see, even your response is derogatory and centres around sex. you are a sex maniac. i dont view sex like you do.
you know what even more cases there is of? men like you, being shamelessly ridiculous.

the question is which has more. what is the ratio

There is only one sex maniac here. Nobody who is semi-normal starts any discussion of these issues with a bizarre tirade full of fringe cases of men sticking their penises into places. You seem a bit obsessed.

I am a virgin, having been only once in a sexless relationship, lol. The idea of sticking my penis into anything makes me feel extremely distressed. I resisted tremendous pressure and humiliation as a teen to sexualize everything (it's the society, the culture, you idiot, it's not embedded anywhere) only to now be insulted the generalizations of some dad's little princess whose life has been an uninterrupted carrousel of validation and fulfilling personal interactions.

But please, go on. Enlighten us about your view of sex.

And who cares what the ratio is? This is not some stupid middle school competition.

 

[angel31]

DISCLAIMER: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY OVERSIMPLIFIED
Ok sry for writing so much, I just want to make my point clear: There is no such thing as a Man. And there is no such thing as a woman. (This was not formulated very oversimplified, dont get mad over that) Sex is a Bimodal spectrum. This is scientific consensis. (If ur interested read this: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/) Ur argument already falls apart if I ask u to tell me what a man is. Somone with a penis? Well so if I cut away the penis then they arent a man anymore? What is with intersex people? There are People with boobs, XX chromosones, without a beard, no testicles, they have a uterus anything. But they have a dick too. So are these people terrible?
But hey what about chromosones? Well there are people who have XY chromosones, but they have "blockers" so they dont react to their Chromosones and their body reverts to the basic. A woman. So there are women who have XY chromosones and many dont even know about it, bc why would they? Their body is exactly like the one from every other woman. U might have XY chromosones and not know it. But it makes no difference.
U cant tell me what a man is. And so ur entire point falls apart.
Summary: I am saying that sex is a spectrum just like gender. So noone is a man. But u can be more man then others. If we have 2 men one of them is bigger, and has a big beard, he is "more man" then the other. This may seem absurd on first glance, but almost every bioligist (how tf u write that word LMAO) agrees on this.

Edit: If ur argument is that many men are shit, I completely agree. But if ur argument is that men are inherently (and not just bc of social cirumstances) worse, then u would need scientific data to support that claim and u havent provided any.

 

[BoredomSeeker]

DISCLAIMER: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY OVERSIMPLIFIED
Ok sry for writing so much, I just want to make my point clear: There is no such thing as a Man. And there is no such thing as a woman. (This was not formulated very oversimplified, dont get mad over that) Sex is a Bimodal spectrum. This is scientific consensis. (If ur interested read this: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/) Ur argument already falls apart if I ask u to tell me what a man is. Somone with a penis? Well so if I cut away the penis then they arent a man anymore? What is with intersex people? There are People with boobs, XX chromosones, without a beard, no testicles, they have a uterus anything. But they have a dick too. So are these people terrible?
But hey what about chromosones? Well there are people who have XY chromosones, but they have "blockers" so they dont react to their Chromosones and their body reverts to the basic. A woman. So there are women who have XY chromosones and many dont even know about it, bc why would they? Their body is exactly like the one from every other woman. U might have XY chromosones and not know it. But it makes no difference.
U cant tell me what a man is. And so ur entire point falls apart.
Summary: I am saying that sex is a spectrum just like gender. So noone is a man. But u can be more man then others. If we have 2 men one of them is bigger, and has a big beard, he is "more man" then the other. This may seem absurd on first glance, but almost every bioligist (how tf u write that word LMAO) agrees on this.

To be honest, I think you are arguing about the wrong thing. OP believes that all or at least most men are evil. Attempting to change their definition of a man is kind off ineffective, since that just means changing the group that OP irrationally hates. What should be addressed is the irrational and generalised hatred of a a group.

 

[Peerless_Cucumber]

DISCLAIMER: EXTREMELY EXTREMELY OVERSIMPLIFIED
Ok sry for writing so much, I just want to make my point clear: There is no such thing as a Man. And there is no such thing as a woman. (This was not formulated very oversimplified, dont get mad over that) Sex is a Bimodal spectrum. This is scientific consensis. (If ur interested read this: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa-visual/visualizing-sex-as-a-spectrum/) Ur argument already falls apart if I ask u to tell me what a man is. Somone with a penis? Well so if I cut away the penis then they arent a man anymore? What is with intersex people? There are People with boobs, XX chromosones, without a beard, no testicles, they have a uterus anything. But they have a dick too. So are these people terrible?
But hey what about chromosones? Well there are people who have XY chromosones, but they have "blockers" so they dont react to their Chromosones and their body reverts to the basic. A woman. So there are women who have XY chromosones and many dont even know about it, bc why would they? Their body is exactly like the one from every other woman. U might have XY chromosones and not know it. But it makes no difference.
U cant tell me what a man is. And so ur entire point falls apart.
Summary: I am saying that sex is a spectrum just like gender. So noone is a man. But u can be more man then others. If we have 2 men one of them is bigger, and has a big beard, he is "more man" then the other. This may seem absurd on first glance, but almost every bioligist (how tf u write that word LMAO) agrees on this.

A man is a person whose brain expects primary and secondary male sex characteristics. A woman would be a person whose brain expects primary and secondary female sex characteristics. This does not have to align with the reality. Therefore trans people exist because their body doesn't match the sex characteristics their brain expects them to have which results in dysphoria.


However this discussion isn't about gender or transsexuals. I'm sure we all know what a man is. If not I provided a basic definition above. I'd like to stay on topic since this conversation is obviously important to OP.

I'd thank you for taking trans people into consideration however I don't think OP cares much about this topic at all. Also you don't seem to be on our side either so I don't know what your point is? What kind of point are you trying to make through dragging trans discourse into this conversation?


As a trans man myself I don't see why that changes anything... So if you would enlighten me I'd be grateful.

 

[angel31]

To be honest, I think you are arguing about the wrong thing. OP believes that all or at least most men are evil. Attempting to change their definition of a man is kind off ineffective, since that just means changing the group that OP irrationally hates. What should be addressed is the irrational and generalised hatred of a a group.

I am doing this, bc saying a group is evil is an subjective statement and can be hardly attacked. I also agree, that more men are bad people then women but thats this way bc of gender norms. Not inherent abilities. And I also dont think you can, from the descriptive statement "many men are bad", make the prescriptive statement "every man is bad". So I am not trying to attack the "bad" part of the argument, but the other side. Trying to show that the argument is alogical not at the subjective part of the argument but at the part I can argue against with hard science. This part is the "There is a clear definition of a "Man"" part and the "These "Men" have inherent differences to "women""