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Iam so proud of myself for finding this AAA answer to my own question.
This settles my worries of HCN for sure, even if it's an anonymous source it's very logical.


"You ever heard of gas chambers used as method of execution in the US? Guess what chemical they use? Victims gag, struggle, foam at the mouth, eyes roll back etc. Zyklon-B is a pesticide made from Hydrogen cyanide (HCN) which is also known as prussic acid. The poison is very volatile and deadly, inhaling it will kill you within seconds except when it's at the very low concentration employed by the Nazi's in which case it is reported as taking much longer.
According to Dr Sven Anders (University Clinic of Hamburg-Eppendorf) the gas causes a stinging in the chest, then spasmodic pain (like epilepsy) and finally attacks the brain and heart causing death. Due to the weak and inconsistent concentration in the gas chambers this could have lasted up to half an hour for the victims. Half an hour of agonising pain whilst those people around you clawed, tore and trampled each other in their fear, pain and horror.
Dr Anders has also suggested that the gas would have been at different concentrations in different places in the chamber and that it rises, meaning that taller people would have suffered first with shorter people watching them succumb before also being afflicted.
Carbon monoxide poisoning wasn't a great deal better. The symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning have been described as 'flu-like' (by survivors) with victims suffering shortness of breath, dizziness and confusion, vomiting and nausea, but it nonetheless lethal.
It was considered by the Nazi's to be an inefficient form of execution (Hence the adoption of Zyklon-B) as it took a lot longer for the victims to die, even with pure carbon monoxide. Unfortunately for the victims the carbon monoxide was often that emitted by internal combustion engines.
According to Dr. Thomas Greiner, (Dept. of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering Iowa State University) Higher concentrations of carbon monoxide will kill in about five minutes, but once again the gas would be diluted within the chamber and react with different physiologies differently bringing about differences in mortality onset.
So to answer your question, Zyklon B was very painful, Carbon Monoxide may have been less painful but was equally as awful and for those victims caught within these chambers, knowing that they were going to die and watching those around them descend into mindless savagery due to terror, it was likely as close to any version of hell as you can imagine."
 
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I am looking for someone who knows about LIQUID kcn.
I might get a hold of 50ml arriving in a few days.
Yet I know solubility is different powder vs liquid.
Can anyone tell me anything at all regarding this topic?
 
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Iam so proud of myself for finding this AAA answer to my own question.
This settles my worries of HCN for sure, even if it's an anonymous source it's very logical.


"You ever heard of gas chambers used as method of execution in the US? Guess what chemical they use? Victims gag, struggle, foam at the mouth, eyes roll back etc. Zyklon-B is a pesticide made from Hydrogen cyanide (HCN) which is also known as prussic acid. The poison is very volatile and deadly, inhaling it will kill you within seconds except when it's at the very low concentration employed by the Nazi's in which case it is reported as taking much longer.
According to Dr Sven Anders (University Clinic of Hamburg-Eppendorf) the gas causes a stinging in the chest, then spasmodic pain (like epilepsy) and finally attacks the brain and heart causing death. Due to the weak and inconsistent concentration in the gas chambers this could have lasted up to half an hour for the victims. Half an hour of agonising pain whilst those people around you clawed, tore and trampled each other in their fear, pain and horror.
Dr Anders has also suggested that the gas would have been at different concentrations in different places in the chamber and that it rises, meaning that taller people would have suffered first with shorter people watching them succumb before also being afflicted.
Carbon monoxide poisoning wasn't a great deal better. The symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning have been described as 'flu-like' (by survivors) with victims suffering shortness of breath, dizziness and confusion, vomiting and nausea, but it nonetheless lethal.
It was considered by the Nazi's to be an inefficient form of execution (Hence the adoption of Zyklon-B) as it took a lot longer for the victims to die, even with pure carbon monoxide. Unfortunately for the victims the carbon monoxide was often that emitted by internal combustion engines.
According to Dr. Thomas Greiner, (Dept. of Agricultural and Biosystems Engineering Iowa State University) Higher concentrations of carbon monoxide will kill in about five minutes, but once again the gas would be diluted within the chamber and react with different physiologies differently bringing about differences in mortality onset.
So to answer your question, Zyklon B was very painful, Carbon Monoxide may have been less painful but was equally as awful and for those victims caught within these chambers, knowing that they were going to die and watching those around them descend into mindless savagery due to terror, it was likely as close to any version of hell as you can imagine."
I have epilepsy. There is NO spasmodic pain. I feel, and know nothing during a seizure or the recovery period. That is the nature of epilepsy. Your body may react to what is happening but the mind is not engaged. A minor correction to a well-written piece.
 
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I am looking for someone who knows about LIQUID kcn.
I might get a hold of 50ml arriving in a few days.
Yet I know solubility is different powder vs liquid.
Can anyone tell me anything at all regarding this topic?
Bump
 
DominusWreck

DominusWreck

BloodRider666
Aug 2, 2020
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There are accounts of it being relatively painless, and there are perhaps more of it being moderately to extremely uncomfortable. Death from it is certainly not pleasant to those observing it in many cases. Those who continually spout that it is painless either willfully or ignorantly ignore the cases and accounts where it is clearly not all a bed of roses.
No, it is 100% painless
The mechanism of how it works precludes any pain or discomfort
 
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Pray tell how this works. Also, reconcile why sickle cell anemia can be excruciatingly painful? How is the mechanism of cyanide different from this? How is it similar? The Nazi gas chambers were completely peaceful? The US gas chambers were completely peaceful?

you are either trolling, willfully ignorant, or intentionally so. Quit spouting bullshit. Answer the questions above or don't bother responding.
 
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deathLiberation

deathLiberation

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Where can i get potassium ferrocyanide?
Any online site on europe?

Also, can how can i make sure it works?
 
progeria

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MAKING CYANIDE(potassium cyanide)


!!!!Easy method in the bottom but read the whole thing!!!!!

WHAT: Cyanide or potassium cyanide is A super strong poison. You die within seconds with no pain.

HOW IT WORKS: The poison blocks the ability of the body cells to get oxygen.
So you suffocate on the cellular level.

It is impossible to buy legally, and given the trouble that many people on ss me included face getting SN, I thought why not go a step further and get the real thing.

WHAT YOU NEED:

1-potassium ferrocyanide
Lab supplies shops have it. Say you are making home made wine, if asked. That's one of the legit uses for it at home. 100% Legal in the EU and USA.
The poison we are producing is so potent you don't need much of it.

Not suspicious
2-Hydrocoric acid( HCL)
Easy to get. Cheap.

As an alternative, you can get sylfuric acid (H2SO4)
Easy to get. Cheap.

Not suspicious

3-Potassium hydroxide. Powder.(KOH)
Easy to get, legal, not suspicious

TO MAKE POTASSIUM CYANIDE:

Get a reaction vessle, and prepare a bended tube, that will serve as a distillation surface. Get a receiver vessel.

Add potassium hydroxide (KOH) to the receiver vessel. Add water enough to cover the powder.

Then add potassium ferrocyanide to the reaction vessle, add the acid that you managed to get, attach the tube you got for distillation, in a way that is airtight and make sure the end of the distillation tube is below the water surface in the receiver vessle.

Then start heating the reaction vessle slowly with a blowtorch.

The reaction will start yielding gaseous hydrogen cyanide, and it will be distilled in the tube into the liquid state.

In the receiver vessle it is supposed to react with potassium hydroxide, and convert into potassium cyanide, which is what we need.

Once you saw that enogh of disulate dripped into the receiver vessle, stop heating and detach the receiver vessle.

Keep it.

Drop the distillation tube and the reaction vessle into the solution of water and sugar. It neutralizes the poison.

In the receiver vessle, there is now potassium cyanide dissolved in water and the not reacted bits of potassium hydroxide that lay solid on the bottom.

Filter the water through the coffee filter.
Throw away the filter. Keep the water. It contains poison. And then gently evaporate the water.

On the bottom you will see white crystals of potassium cyanide. The poison.

Collect it with a blade and do what you want.

NOTE: hydrogen cyanide, the gas, is super toxic, and you risk to Ctb before you want it, so do the reaction in the open air, use gloves and before doing the reaction drink the solution of water and sugar.
Keep a bit of solid sugar in the mouth whole doing the reaction and drink another sugar solution after you are done.

As I said, the glucose neutralizes the cyanide.

So when you intend to use it to ctb, don't eat anything before the event and certainly don't eat anything sweet.

Precise poportions of the mix don't really matter.

And you don't need much of it.

5g of every chemical would be more than enough.

Add Water and acid so that there is as much volume of acid as there is powder.
Just use your eyes.

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I figure that this is the dream of all of us here, as cyanide is the definition of quick and painless death. I am not a trained chemist, so I may have screwed up but most likely I haven't.
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It looks scary and difficult, but it really isn't.

NOTE: SUPER EASY ALTERNATIVE

Instead of being all cautious and thing, if you know you want to ctb NOW, simply put 10-20 grams of potassium ferrocyanide into a cup or something
And then add the acid so that it covers the powder +some is above, and heat it. But with some more stable heat source,As the blowtorch will fall from your hands when you pass out. The hydrogen cyanide gas will be emitted in the reaction. But instead of collecting it carefully and distilling it into a liquid, let it out.

Breathe in the gas. It does not smell bad.
You will loose cosiousness within seconds and will be dead in minutes.

For that it is best to have a closed room,to make sure the fumes are not blown away, and maybe have some breathing tube to breath the fumes of the reaction more conveniently in the chair.

Overkill: 30g of potassium ferrocyanide and enough acid to cover it.
+a plastic breathing tube strapped to the face+A stable source of heat.and some strap that keeps the tube above the reaction vessle. Seat in the chair not to fall off to the floor.

You need to leave a note outside of the room that the poisonous gas is inside unless you want the ppl who find you to die with you.

It is really had to screw up the last easy method and you don't need potassium hydroxide as a bonus so less supplies needed.

Just mix the two things and make sure it's being heated so that the reaction is going.
You will see it is going so you can't screw up here anyway.

If you have 30g of the potassium ferrocyanide you will die 1000% from the fumes.

I didn't do it myself yet, but I lurked on chem forums and I read how people had done this in the fields for fun and nearly ctb by an accident. Had their breath and heartbeat do that scary thing and had a massive headache after that. So yeah, it works this way 100%.

There is a video of a Russian guy doing the reaction in the fields on YouTube. He uses a military test to see if the poison is being produced. Watch This so that you know it is that easy.

I won't attach the link but here is the name of the video in Russian.

Just copy paste it in youtube search.
(Получение синильной кислоты)
Channel name: MrDrimogemon

But I beg you don't comment about ctb in the comments, I kinda need this video myself for guidance.

And don't be asking ferrocyanide vendors if one can make cyanide from their product. Think of those who will need supplies for ctb after you and remove all the labels and addresses, to keep.suplliers intact.

NOTE: about the heating. It seems like the reaction would go even without it. But heating accelerates it a lot. So buy an electric stove. The ones that are Flat and small, for one dish only, and set the heat at about 100 degrees Celsius.

Put the glass pot on and pour your chemicals in.

NOTE: this is a method of choice for me. I'll either synthesize the potassium cyanide or do the gas thing.

BENEFITS:
ingredients are easier to get than SN or N

No need to worry about the insulation and having enough gas like in the exit bag method.+powders are easier to buy than gallons of gas.

No violence, no pain, no blood.
No taste. And you won't vomit like with SN

I really hope this method, especially the easy one, with the gas gets more traction, as the more I think about it the more I prefer it to all other alternatives, and I strongly believe that people have the right to die painlessly.

Thank you for reading, please feel free to add your thoughts on the ways to modify the method.
it would be cool if you made a video about the complete production and share it here or on some darknet site, so you could save many from painful death
 
golfmavenice

golfmavenice

Experienced
Nov 13, 2021
207
Can we use prussian blue paints as an option to potassium ferrocyanide?

How much of each is lethal?
 
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sandalphon

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Aug 19, 2021
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Death by cyanide is NOT painless. Not sure where you got that idea.
 
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golfmavenice

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Nov 13, 2021
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I think someone can use hydrogen sulfide instead of hydrogen cyanide because you don't need to heat it
Read the peaceful pill handbook's cyanide section please
 
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Can someone use prussian blue as potassium ferrocyanide? It is sold everywhere..
 
WorthlessTrash

WorthlessTrash

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I don't see a world in which cyanide is painless. I def wouldn't this method unless I was extremely desperate.
 
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Prussian blue + hydrochloric acid = hydrogen cyanide

I don't know how much of each chemical is enough.
Prussian blue + hydrochloric acid = hydrogen cyanide

I don't know how much of each chemical is enough.
Hydrogen sulfide is better tbh, because it is more popular than hydrogen cyanide and you don't need to heat the chemicals.

HCL + CaS = H2S

Mixing 120 mL of each produces a lethal level of H2S(1,000 ppm) link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18516944/

Mixing 2 liters of each chemical in a confined space will result in a rapid and inevitable death. Some people used welding goggles against eye pain during the process. I don't know if this is necessary, because there were people who didn't use any safety equipment(no welding goggles) and still died. Respiratory and throat irritation usually seen after 1 hour of exposure.
Symptoms of hydrogen sulfide exposure
 

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Does anyone know how much potassium ferrocyanide does prussian blue contain? If it doesn't have enough purity to react with acid then it won't work
 
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It's bullshit and you have to proof at all. I can already tell you will be one of the ones to get banned.
Just put him on ignore like I did. He just likes to troll.
 
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Mar 11, 2022
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Hydrogen sulfide is better tbh, because it is more popular than hydrogen cyanide and you don't need to heat the chemicals.

HCL + CaS = H2S

Mixing 120 mL of each produces a lethal level of H2S(1,000 ppm) link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18516944/

Mixing 2 liters of each chemical in a confined space will result in a rapid and inevitable death. Some people used welding goggles against eye pain during the process. I don't know if this is necessary, because there were people who didn't use any safety equipment (no welding goggles) and still died. Respiratory and throat irritation usually seen after 1 hour of exposure.
Symptoms of hydrogen sulfide exposure
For anyone even remotely considering this, this method has a high likelihood of harming (even KILLING) bystanders, first responders, etc. Generally when people advocate this method they are responsible enough to mention this danger and what people ought to do to hopefully decrease/eliminate the possibility of others being harmed. For example, you should put up some very clear warning signs outside the door(s) to the room you are in (or a vehicle), and you need to be absolutely POSITIVE that the space is sealed. And maybe some other things, too.
 
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Carbon monoxide has a megathread but hydrogen sulfide/cyanide doesn't. I think if people know that there are options to end their lives reliably it would be better for them. Can we make a megathread about this method?

I understand that safety is very low in those methods but if someone does it properly without harming others then there is not a problem.
 
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bruh i cant even tie a proper knot or make a bed properly.

not easy for me lol.
 
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I can already tell you will be one of the ones to get banned.
Ha. You called it x) happened so fast I couldn't even respond.

Tooquick
 
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Did you mean hydrochloric acid?
Can't find the vid. Can you send me the link?
 

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