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Do you think Luigi Mangione is a "hero" ?

  • yes

    Votes: 60 71.4%
  • no

    Votes: 24 28.6%

  • Total voters
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voir2

Student
Nov 6, 2024
106
Below is Mangione full manifesto as it can be found here https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto
I think Mangione do not particularly care about poor people struggling with healthcare. He is just angry about the inefficiency and greediness of healcare system which could not take care properly of his health problem (he had a back surgery which was not totally successful)

"To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."
 
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needthebus

needthebus

Victim of Sexual Violence, Exploited by Society
Apr 29, 2024
426
I still maintain that Luigi's Mansion is still some sort of decoy or distraction for either the real killer or from law enforcement itself and that the actual shooter is likely still at large. Everything from the way he was found to the planted evidence on him to the fact his social media presence seems surgically designed to fit exactly how one would suspect him to be like. It all still seems fake to me. Therefore he is not a hero to me.

The real guy however, I can at least say I don't necessarily condone his actions though I also don't find him to be a villain either. I'm just a dumb centrist so my opinions shouldn't matter really.
you're probably right

im naive and initially accepted it was him, but he could be a law enforcement patsy

the more I find out, the more I realize they have the wrong guy and needs to be freed
 
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deleted

Warlock
Jul 31, 2020
712
Hero, free my boy
 
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soledad.virgen

soledad.virgen

call me sol
Dec 1, 2020
105
i will also say im grateful the conversation around healthcare and access to it has started up again, because we literally had an election year where the party of the "left" absolutely ignored and refused to meet the demands of the people in that area. it was startling to see it go unmentioned and i can only hope some democrats will learn from the support luigi is getting and try to actually push for popular policies
 
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Pluto

Pluto

Meowing to go out
Dec 27, 2020
4,257
  • Yay!
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Chinaski

Chinaski

Arthur Scargill appreciator
Sep 1, 2018
3,420
He's not a hero. He murdered a man who has a wife and children. Despite what you may think about his JOB that's not ok. It's pretty hypocritical of people who claim to be pro choice to be ok with cold blooded murder. Unless it comes out he paid mangione to murder him. He had NO choice. I also find it ironic as fuck that people are talking shit about rich people when mangione is rich as fuck. Hypocrites
One of the things about this whole story which really sticks out for me is the liberal handwringing over the assassination of an objectively foul individual as opposed to the recognition that this is ultimately a consequence of these very same people spending decades committing profit-driven social murder which is considered to be acceptable in comparison.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,587
It doesn't matter. Even if it has no impact whatsoever, the fact that some bloodthirsty CEO who probably thought himself invincible got gunned down in the street like some fucking degenerate is a victory in and of it itself.

Besides, seeing Americans from all sides of the political isle come together over this and unravel their collective trauma is kinda heartwarming. I salute this man.
Exactly. This doesn't just apply to that one CEO but also to everybody else who is rich and is in power. Remember at how people were celebrating when a bunch of rich people died in that failed oceangate experiment? Most of us secretly want those in power to be dead but we don't ever mention this publicly or even online because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"
 
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vanibless

vanibless

Aryjski gaj
Nov 9, 2024
38
I feel like people mostly excuse him just bc he's ,,hot" lol
 
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derpyderpins

derpyderpins

In the Service of the Queen
Sep 19, 2023
1,908
because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"
Well. . . also because the people in power have, ya know, power. They are afraid of repercussions.
 
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Chinaski

Chinaski

Arthur Scargill appreciator
Sep 1, 2018
3,420
I feel like people mostly excuse him just bc he's ,,hot" lol
If that was a possible get-out I'd have killed three doctors already
Exactly. This doesn't just apply to that one CEO but also to everybody else who is rich and is in power. Remember at how people were celebrating when a bunch of rich people died in that failed oceangate experiment? Most of us secretly want those in power to be dead but we don't ever mention this publicly or even online because it's socially taboo to do so because "murder bad"
WHEN PEOPLE ARE DEPRIVED OF HEALTHCARE, WELFARE AND HOUSING: maybe death instead of healthcare as policy, these are Tough Decisions Which Need To Be Made and it's only right that those with a scarcity of inherited wealth pay the biggest price, as they have continued to do for two generations, if the markets are to be appeased

WHEN A HEALTHCARE CEO IS KILLED: omg what has the world come to this billionaire had a family, what message does this send to future healthcare ceos, how have we somehow created a society where aspiration is frowned upon
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,587
Well. . . also because the people in power have, ya know, power. They are afraid of repercussions.
Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl. However, surely it'd be okay to at least say it online where people are anonymous, right? I don't see how people can get repercussions from saying it online but, then again, perhaps there's something that I'm missing here which would go to show that people could get repercussions
 
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derpyderpins

derpyderpins

In the Service of the Queen
Sep 19, 2023
1,908
Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl. However, surely it'd be okay to at least say it online where people are anonymous, right? I don't see how people can get repercussions from saying it online but, then again, perhaps there's something that I'm missing here which would go to show that people could get repercussions
Fear works in funny ways and isn't always rational. That woman is in jail facing prison time for saying words over the phone: who knows if a post on a forum is next to prove their point?

But, I do think you are seeing a good number of people saying it online.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,587
Fear works in funny ways and isn't always rational. That woman is in jail facing prison time for saying words over the phone: who knows if a post on a forum is next to prove their point?
Fair enough. Fear, by definition, isn't rational since its an emotion (and it's certainly an emotion that I hate)
But, I do think you are seeing a good number of people saying it online.
That's only after the CEO died, not before... unless if people did say it before he died than my bad. I just wonder as to why people only wait until after the person in power dies to then talk about how they are glad for them dying but this just comes back to what you said in your first paragraph about fear.
 
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Chinaski

Chinaski

Arthur Scargill appreciator
Sep 1, 2018
3,420
Because of that, it makes sense to not say stuff like this irl.
Nope, it makes sense to say this more often tbh, imo ignore the post you're replying to on the basis of it being so very American imo
 
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untothedepths

untothedepths

ego death, then death
Mar 20, 2023
594
i dont like people being killed but with how shit my country is going im not surprised. keep pushing and fucking with people, some might fuck around and dont care to find out.
 
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belly.up4good

Member
Dec 10, 2024
44
100% this death will not change anything practically.

I think it's largely symbolic. It doesn't so much matter if the shooter had good reason or if the CEO was actually the worst of the worst or if the CEO was a strategically sound target or if anything will change. What matters is that someone got fed up with the powerful and actually put it all on the line to take an actual action. I don't think it's specifically about healthcare. I think it's about people feeling constantly like they are small and have no say in many, many aspects of life, while people with the resources to live many lifetimes without working have all the say in other peoples' lives, not just their own. This is a bit of saying "I don't care. I don't care about your rules, or typical notions of morality. I don't care if it ruins my life. I don't care if it changes anything. Fuck you. You might seem all powerful but you're made of meat like the rest of us, and I'm taking one of you with me."
Definitely a symbol, people are looking for that right now, it's hard times, dark times, uncertainty. The people need hope.
 
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nogods4me

Member
Nov 26, 2024
82
I'm still on the fence about whether he is a patsy but in any case there will only be more violent lashing out from the masses in general. It is way too late to even try to quell things. This guy won't be the last. I feel privileged to have lived to see it in the news but what I feel especially privileged to have witnessed was the enormous support this guy has gotten LOL. That's what happens when you slowly grind a population down year after year and even start denying them health care for problems that could be fixed. A lot of doctors are just as guilty as CEOs and policy makers and I have to wonder if I will be lucky enough to see someone take out a doctor before I die.
 
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ThisIsMe1357

Student
May 20, 2024
181
I voted "No" simply because I do not think anyone has a right to kill another person (unless it involves genuine self-defense).

Having said that, I have absolutely no sympathy for that CEO. I am not the kind of a person who would celebrate the killing, but if I had the ability to unilaterally decide what should happen to him instead of dying, I would force him to be imprisoned for the rest of his life without any possibility of parole for being responsible for deaths and suffering of thousands of people, all of which was motivated by making a huge profit. And on top of that, I would require him to stay in exactly the kind of a maximum security prison the pheasants have to be locked in!

I live in a country with universal healthcare, so I completely understand the current sentiment of many Americans, especially younger ones who are not yet on Medicare.
 

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