Discussion Luigi Mangione

[voir2]

What do you think about what Luigi Mangione did ?
This wealthy and promising young man just ruined his life.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

I think hero is a strong word although no hate to anyone who thinks so, I get it.

That CEO caused the death of more people than every serial killer combined. I think this is a pretty relevant fact. That's about where I'm at with it minus having the time of my life with these memes.

 

[katara]

I think hero is a strong word although no hate to anyone who thinks so, I get it.

That CEO caused the death of more people than every serial killer combined. I think this is a pretty relevant fact. That's about where I'm at with it minus having the time of my life with these memes.

ya did you see Ben Shapiro's comment section? Even some of his own audience hated his video shit talking Luigi. Rich people seriously have no idea what it's like for some people out here. i think back to my dad that had medical issues before he died, nowadays he'd probably be living in a shitty small trailer or something because the government wants people like him to suffer for no reason. It's so disgusting, also it's funny seeing people on both political sides trying to claim him as their own. Conservatives hated him at first, but now they want to call him their guy because they see how popular he's become

 

[WhiteRabbit]

As a sick person and former UnitedHealthcare customer, I approve. The American Healthcare system is a joke. So many people live in pain or suffering due to pure greed. I don't give a shit about the CEO he killed, that guy indirectly murdered an enormous number of people through his drive for profit and shareholder value. What are we supposed to do? Protesting is ineffective, and it's hard to vote with your pocketbook when it comes to healthcare.

I also read that he suffers from debilitating back pain. Chronic pain at a young age when you're an active person is a tough blow. I'm sure it contributed to his worldview.

 

[needthebus]

did he ruin his life?

the planet is on an environmental collision course that may make the planet uninhabitable and destroy all life on earth

the world was pretty fucking terrible before he got arrested, for him and for other people, and he had the guts to see it for what it is. doing nothing and letting the collision course continue may have also ruined his life, just more slowly.

he's an American hero, and looking at it any other way is oblivious to the dangers and harms of these awful corporations

 

[cloudyskye]

He's not a hero. He murdered a man who has a wife and children. Despite what you may think about his JOB that's not ok. It's pretty hypocritical of people who claim to be pro choice to be ok with cold blooded murder. Unless it comes out he paid mangione to murder him. He had NO choice. I also find it ironic as fuck that people are talking shit about rich people when mangione is rich as fuck. Hypocrites

 

[needthebus]

He's not a hero. He murdered a man who has a wife and children. Despite what you may think about his JOB that's not ok. It's pretty hypocritical of people who claim to be pro choice to be ok with cold blooded murder. Unless it comes out he paid mangione to murder him. He had NO choice. I also find it ironic as fuck that people are talking shit about rich people when mangione is rich as fuck. Hypocrites

You're completely wrong on this. Even if he had 1000 Children, that CEO and his ilk use VIOLENCE to kill people. When people don't get claims approved and wind up homeless and then kill themselves, is that not violence? If someone has no where to live and tries to get warm by going into a building but the police are summoned and arrest them, is that not violence? If someone is supposed to get treatment for an injury, and can't because of their evil policies, is that not violence?

CEOs like that and their ilk create violence everyday, but it's just done in polite ways, with threats of violence by police, with quiet suicides. Luigi just did it loudly. When a company says they will cover your medical issue, and lie to you, and then you are fucked, and you die, is that not violence?

What he did was self-defense on behalf of many people, including old sick miserable people. It's nice of you to have empathy for the cruel, white, rich CEO who literally became wealthy by fucking over old people. Sometimes, a gutsy hero is going to rise up against that shit, and that's what happened. That CEO knew the risk when he played the "grandma can't get chemo" game.

It's not hypocritical for the cruelty of the upper corporate classes, ruining the planet and lying to old people and fucking them over, to be fucked themselves by a rich kid who empathizes with poor people. We aren't hypocrites, you are just naive and don't get it, no offense.

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson assassinated

Nah I don't buy that this is the killer. Everything about how they caught him makes no sense and all of the details about him are seeming WAY too convenient like they all align with how you'd expect a person like this to be but a little too perfectly. IMO this guy they caught is doing it for...

sanctioned-suicide.net

@cloudyskye Thought you might find this interesting.

 

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On one hand, it was an act of arbitrary, cold-blooded murder... which, I think ideally, would be universally condemned in any civilized society...

On the other hand, it was the CEO of a health insurance company... which, I think ideally, would be universally condemned in any civilized society...

Perhaps these two points have balanced me out to this feeling of indifference I have about it.

Maybe it's more like a dull sadness... that this is even a thing in the first place... the factors in play here, a depressing reflection of our collective way of life...

 

[DarkRange55]

Luigi Mangione ‘meme coins’ soar amid murder charges in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

One coin reached market capitalization of over $76 million

www.the-independent.com

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Rich people seriously have no idea what it's like for some people out here.

Luigi is rich though. He comes from a wealthy background. He was also denied by his health insurance company. Based on my limited knowledge of him, he wasn't really an advocate who cared about the poor. He's actually a right-winger who supports Elon Musk and supports billionaires having a say in democracy.




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While I don't feel bad for the dead CEO, I also feel like we shouldn't be hyping up Luigi as this grand hero either. He is, at the end of the day, a privileged rich boy who probably would not have done this if it weren't for him having health issues. He isn't some shining knight who is here to guide some sort of 21st-century proletariat revolution. This isn't me saying this to bash him or anything. I probably wouldn't like him much if I knew him irl, at least based on the few screenshots I've seen of his tweets, but he was nice enough not to use a bomb out of fear of potentially hurting others and he killed off a billionaire CEO, so I have to give him that.

Still, we shouldn't be praising him as a person nor should we be hailing him as some hero. We don't even know if his actions will even lead to any changes, at least when it comes to how that insurance company is run. Along with that, I doubt that much actual systematic change will really come of this.

 

[senti-mental]

Luigi is rich though. He comes from a wealthy background. He was also denied by his health insurance company. Based on my limited knowledge of him, he wasn't really an advocate who cared about the poor. He's actually a right-winger who supports Elon Musk and supports billionaires having a say in democracy.

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While I don't feel bad for the dead CEO, I also feel like we shouldn't be hyping up Luigi as this grand hero either. He is, at the end of the day, a privileged rich boy who probably would not have done this if it weren't for him having health issues. He isn't some shining knight who is here to guide some sort of 21st-century proletariat revolution. This isn't me saying this to bash him or anything. I probably wouldn't like him much if I knew him irl, at least based on the few screenshots I've seen of his tweets, but he was nice enough not to use a bomb out of fear of potentially hurting others and he killed off a billionaire CEO, so I have to give him that.

Still, we shouldn't be praising him as a person nor should we be hailing him as some hero. We don't even know if his actions will even lead to any changes, at least when it comes to how that insurance company is run. Along with that, I doubt that much actual systematic change will really come of this.

I don't think he's admirable exactly, but I think the story is nice to see for once in a way. There's so many young men becoming radicalized by the far right now and turning a blind eye to reality, we don't know Mangione's current views but it looks like he got radicalized in the opposite way by experiencing a struggle many people with less than he grew up with experience often.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I don't think he's admirable exactly, but I think the story is nice to see for once in a way. There's so many young men becoming radicalized by the far right now and turning a blind eye to reality, we don't know Mangione's current views but it looks like he got radicalized in the opposite way by experiencing a struggle many people with less than he grew up with experience often.

He didn't get radicalized into the opposite, lol. Even a lot of right-wingers hated that CEO.

 

[soledad.virgen]

he's a hero and we need more people like luigi to take direct action. this sole event has people talking about how shit healthcare is again and even right wingers are saying "who cares about the mega rich healthcare ceos they fucked me/my family over." he's not gonna start a commie revolution but when we're in an age with incredibly high wealth disparity, people should take what they can get. not like the inept centrists who run unpopular genociders like kamala are gonna help us hhh

maybe it can also set an example for the would be mass shooters, you know, hypothetically they can learn to redirect their anger and frustrations towards those directly responsible for the unhappiness of millions

maybe

 

[Sophie123]

He's not a hero. He murdered a man who has a wife and children. Despite what you may think about his JOB that's not ok. It's pretty hypocritical of people who claim to be pro choice to be ok with cold blooded murder. Unless it comes out he paid mangione to murder him. He had NO choice. I also find it ironic as fuck that people are talking shit about rich people when mangione is rich as fuck. Hypocrites

omg yeah I agree for sure

 

[senti-mental]

He didn't get radicalized into the opposite, lol. Even a lot of right-wingers hated that CEO.

true I mean we don't know his current views like I said, but what he did drew attention to a class war, and as much as the country seems to be united on that rn (except the rich ppl lol) Killing an insanely rich guy over corporate greed is.... pretty aligned with radical left ideals.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I still maintain that Luigi's Mansion is still some sort of decoy or distraction for either the real killer or from law enforcement itself and that the actual shooter is likely still at large. Everything from the way he was found to the planted evidence on him to the fact his social media presence seems surgically designed to fit exactly how one would suspect him to be like. It all still seems fake to me. Therefore he is not a hero to me.

The real guy however, I can at least say I don't necessarily condone his actions though I also don't find him to be a villain either. I'm just a dumb centrist so my opinions shouldn't matter really.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

I think it's very iffy. I read that they found in his notes that he was initially going to use a bomb but didn't want to hurt innocents. I find that interesting. What he did was wrong in the eyes of the law, but in many ways, this guy is getting a free pass because people agree with just the idea and he happens to be decent looking.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I don't think it is good to view anyone as a hero. For him specifically, I found the evidence on him too convenient. It's so on the nose that he may as well have shouted "I am the murderer!". I'm not yet entirely convinced that young man is the killer.

As for the actual killer, being that Luigi the young man or not, my opinions are split. In one hand, it feels ugly to me to celebrate the murder of someone, makes me feel dirty. I don't enjoy celebrating murder and suffering. On the other hand, he is the face behind a ton of suffering for a lot of people due to greed fuelled policies. In the end I'm left feeling sort of indifferent about it.

I think the world needed this wake up call, everyone is too passive and it's hard to change the system even if you're not passive. Killing the rich sends a strong message, putting some real threat onto the people in charge. However, continuing towards a world like that feels very sad to me, and being this an isolated incident, I just see the outcome as the rich paying for more security and...that's it. If this situation could fuel some powerful united push back from the population, I think that would be a much better path to take, albeit much harder than having a singular person murder another CEO.

 

[derpyderpins]

I still maintain that Luigi's Mansion is still some sort of decoy or distraction for either the real killer or from law enforcement itself and that the actual shooter is likely still at large. Everything from the way he was found to the planted evidence on him to the fact his social media presence seems surgically designed to fit exactly how one would suspect him to be like. It all still seems fake to me. Therefore he is not a hero to me.

The real guy however, I can at least say I don't necessarily condone his actions though I also don't find him to be a villain either. I'm just a dumb centrist so my opinions shouldn't matter really.

It activates my bullshit sensors, too. Haven't decided exactly what my theory is but I believe nothing law enforcement tells us.

 

[Aergia]

Probably missing something but I don't get what the big deal is. Isn't the problem contained within these systems, not in the individual bad guy CEOs? I don't get how this murder would change anything. Practically speaking. I've heard it suggested that it might result in copycat murders and that insurance companies are removing lists of executives from their sites but even then I don't see this taking place on a scale that would result in any meaningful change.

 

[yellowjester]

Probably missing something but I don't get what the big deal is. Isn't the problem contained within these systems, not in the individual bad guy CEOs? I don't get how this murder would change anything. Practically speaking. I've heard it suggested that it might result in copycat murders and that insurance companies are removing lists of executives from their sites but even then I don't see this taking place on a scale that would result in any meaningful change.

It doesn't matter. Even if it has no impact whatsoever, the fact that some bloodthirsty CEO who probably thought himself invincible got gunned down in the street like some fucking degenerate is a victory in and of it itself.

Besides, seeing Americans from all sides of the political isle come together over this and unravel their collective trauma is kinda heartwarming. I salute this man.

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

I hope he grows a bigass mustache in jail...
I would die.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

true I mean we don't know his current views like I said, but what he did drew attention to a class war, and as much as the country seems to be united on that rn (except the rich ppl lol) Killing an insanely rich guy over corporate greed is.... pretty aligned with radical left ideals.

Yeah, he drew in no class war. There is no class consciousness, or whatever the fuck that stupid term from. tiktok is. A lot of those dumbasses who spend their time kissing the asses of the elite are still going to do so. What kinds of billionaires people hate or love mostly comes down to the perceived harm they think they have caused, along with whether or not that harm directly impacts them. People still praise rich people like Elon Musk and Taylor Swift. That's probably not changing anytime soon.

 

[astr4]

bro understood the assignment.

 

[Dot]

Imo h/ = symptm of an abusve systm & ws goin2 happn evntlly

Wht mkes ppl lke hm = tht h/ dd smethng whch voicd feelngs of millns of ppl & tk awy tht feelng of helplssnss fr a whle - 'th/ beast = woundd'

I hope he grows a bigass mustache in jail...
I would die.

'Th/ 3rd ey-brw'

 

[senti-mental]

regardless of ur opinions about it... the man likely has some mafia ancestors who are very proud ahahaha

 

[Dot]

H/ = wll-regardd in prisn

 

[opheliaoveragain]

It doesn't matter. Even if it has no impact whatsoever, the fact that some bloodthirsty CEO who probably thought himself invincible got gunned down in the street like some fucking degenerate is a victory in and of it itself.

Besides, seeing Americans from all sides of the political isle come together over this and unravel their collective trauma is kinda heartwarming. I salute this man.

well put!

 

[derpyderpins]

Probably missing something but I don't get what the big deal is. Isn't the problem contained within these systems, not in the individual bad guy CEOs? I don't get how this murder would change anything. Practically speaking. I've heard it suggested that it might result in copycat murders and that insurance companies are removing lists of executives from their sites but even then I don't see this taking place on a scale that would result in any meaningful change.

100% this death will not change anything practically.

I think it's largely symbolic. It doesn't so much matter if the shooter had good reason or if the CEO was actually the worst of the worst or if the CEO was a strategically sound target or if anything will change. What matters is that someone got fed up with the powerful and actually put it all on the line to take an actual action. I don't think it's specifically about healthcare. I think it's about people feeling constantly like they are small and have no say in many, many aspects of life, while people with the resources to live many lifetimes without working have all the say in other peoples' lives, not just their own. This is a bit of saying "I don't care. I don't care about your rules, or typical notions of morality. I don't care if it ruins my life. I don't care if it changes anything. Fuck you. You might seem all powerful but you're made of meat like the rest of us, and I'm taking one of you with me."