Logical pessimism or paranoia?

[KarmicRain]

So there's been a trend of people feeling everything go to shit the more they think about it. That being said, isn't that proof that real logic is just everything being shit? Pessimism is just logical sense.
At the same time though, I think it does also tie into what things you actually put value into or feel has value in life. ex: friends, family, hobbies, future, goals, whatever. So what does that say about people lacking said values? People like me who just don't want to do anything. There's no motivation because there's nothing I want to attain. But I still do what I have to do everyday. Why? Consequence. Everything that can go wrong will go wrong and everything that can get worse not only will but always has and continues to do so. But to understand what "worse is" I have to define what I put value in AND what I antagonize.
I value my family. They're really the only thing keeping me around at this point: their grief would be the only reason i stay.
Other than that, if I just had the bare essentials for first-world standards and keep what I already have, I'd be fine with that. But of course that is way to much to ask. No to simply exist, something called the "cost of living" always looms overhead. Failure to meet that of course leads to detrimental consequences toward a standard of living.
The only way to meet those standards is of course: work. Work hard. Become a caffeinated workaholic. Be passionate. Motivated. Everything that I don't have an ounce of. But we as humans in this world have to act like we care so that we are given the opportunity to work and exist.
Now if I don't want to work, no one cares if I just lose everything I have. But when I say I want to die, oh no don't do that here's 1000 sources that will document everything you do, give you no help, and of course put you into severe medical debt. after all, a crumbling mind is a perfect profit motif when every cog in the machine inevitably rusts.
I'm not happy. I don't want to be here. But being here is of course my own fault because it's just the consequences of every action I've made until now. But if I think this way, is that too a consequence of my actions or one of my environment? are the experiences I remember my own fault or am I supposed to just "be happy" and choose to only remember the good things far in between.
I'm not going to say 100% of everything is shit, but mathematically there's more evil than good. especially since the value I put toward effort in itself is negative. Effort and work are everything in this world and my lack of passion, motivation, or even discipline naturally leads to my hatred of exerting it. I've heard so many times mindset is a choice. You know what is never argued though? Living. No one ever says "living" is a choice because of course, no one chooses to be born. Cogs are shaped, melted, and shoved into the machine. Eventually they rust, break, snap, shatter, and get replaced. They aren't given the choice to just gather dust on a table. They aren't treated like humans and neither are we. We don't follow our own code of ethics, no we incessantly argue about more futile things like Rights and attention to a bunch of minorities when in reality, all they want is to be treated the same. And really, a world with actual equality would just mean no one cares and everyone goes about their own business day to day. (sorry controversy).
I'm not going to pretend like I'm a minority because I'm not. I was born, I work, I eat, and I will eventually die just like everyone else. I think and act according to the logical rules written for me to abide by. Not because I or anyone else wants to but because I have to.
Does thinking like this make me a pessimist, realist, or just plain paranoid?
It's just so utterly pointless. The repetition of mundane work, tasks, and chores have no meaning. they're supposed to be fueled by the motivation of the passionate: the feelings I'm completely devoid of. It's not even that they were lost: they were never there to begin with. I spent so long searching for them and I'm just gonna get told "I'm too young I'll find them eventually" when the same people spouting that nonsense haven't found their place either. Because that place doesn't exist. There isn't a single damn thing that'll make me happy. Because so long as I live I will of course have to work and I will have to act like It is my will to. that fake "will" is the freedom the US is so proud of announcing. really, it isn't freedom. it's chattel slavery with extra steps: the change of owners and locations don't mean shit. standard of living has increased but honestly the hours of work have been reverting so hard that it's going to be worse than actual slavery soon. Really if i have too work 2 minimum wage jobs just to afford to RENT a roof over my head, why the fuck should I be berated for wanted to stop? "those to don't work will not eat" ok then let me die. okay here are your choices: a psyche ward, the streets, or fucking jail.
It isn't pessimism. consequences are the natural effect of both action or inaction in every scenario. Either I can continue to work forever or I can be observed for my mental instability and made profit off of. funny isn't it? either way, i never asked for anyone of it. not to be born, not to continue to live, and I'm not given a choice to leave. It's either make money for someone else, make money for someone else, or lose the bare minimum.
It's always argued that it makes perfect sense because everyone else has to work hard so you should to. No one ever says people shouldn't work anymore because then society would collapse but would it? Would it really? sure maybe if everyone worked exactly 0 hours forever but of course even my smooth brain can think of a reasonable compromise: With ever advancing technology, why don't we use that increased efficiency to reduce hours of work? We don't need infinitely scaling means of production or exponential consumerism, no that only fuels profit. But when you have millions or billions of dollars, there comes a point where there literally isn't anything left to increase your standard of living. It's just more money for the sake of it, even at the cost of the lives of the many. If instead of profit motive we gave the slightest fuck about transportation of resources around the world, sure everyone wouldn't be INSANELY rich but there's enough for everyone to reach first world living standards. The resources exist: they're just hoarded. well, those are my thoughts anyway, call me ignorant, call it a pointless sense of idealism, call me stupid. it doesn't matter because i still have to get up for work in the morning and I still have to do my job today. There will come a day i don't wake up and as much as I'd wish it to be today, my actions have consequences beyond myself. My will, thoughts, and feelings on the matter hold no value. And of course neither do I.

 

[Whale_bones]

I think your opinions on the futile nature of the day-in, day out cycle of working are very logical, and are actually shared by many. I've had quite a few instances of getting into a deep conversation with someone, including people with high-profile jobs and lives that appear "successful" on the surface, only to find that they also only feel passionate about one or two specific things (such as their family, or creating art) and they feel no fulfillment, passion or drive towards the whole concept of climbing the career ladder.

The thing is, those who are already at the top have a vested interest in keeping up this facade that work has to be a main goal in life, that it's all about grinding, constantly working towards the next career milestone, etc. and we don't often get to have these real conversations with people, where we hear that yeah, it's actually completely normal and logical to not care about work. Passion is about what you're naturally inclined towards, it's not something we can force ourselves to have. We feel passionate about giving our families a good life because we naturally care for and love them, and for those of us who are artists we have a passion for that particular type of art that we are naturally drawn to.

Only a small percent of people actually end up in a job that fits their natural drive and goals. And many people can't even picture that, they're just working however they can to survive. But we shouldn't let this narrative continue that it's normal to feel this constant drive to work and that working should provide you with fulfillment and the feeling of success, because when people share their true thoughts on it, it turns out that that whole mindset is the opposite of normal.

 

[KarmicRain]

I think your opinions on the futile nature of the day-in, day out cycle of working are very logical, and are actually shared by many. I've had quite a few instances of getting into a deep conversation with someone, including people with high-profile jobs and lives that appear "successful" on the surface, only to find that they also only feel passionate about one or two specific things (such as their family, or creating art) and they feel no fulfillment, passion or drive towards the whole concept of climbing the career ladder.

The thing is, those who are already at the top have a vested interest in keeping up this facade that work has to be a main goal in life, that it's all about grinding, constantly working towards the next career milestone, etc. and we don't often get to have these real conversations with people, where we hear that yeah, it's actually completely normal and logical to not care about work. Passion is about what you're naturally inclined towards, it's not something we can force ourselves to have. We feel passionate about giving our families a good life because we naturally care for and love them, and for those of us who are artists we have a passion for that particular type of art that we are naturally drawn to.

Only a small percent of people actually end up in a job that fits their natural drive and goals. And many people can't even picture that, they're just working however they can to survive. But we shouldn't let this narrative continue that it's normal to feel this constant drive to work and that working should provide you with fulfillment and the feeling of success, because when people share their true thoughts on it, it turns out that that whole mindset is the opposite of normal.

it's funny because people i talk to irl tell me working sucks but they have to do it anyway. I know why and I know what happens if I won't and that means I'll continue to do what i have to. but that doesn't change the fact that i continue hating it more with each passing day

 

[Whale_bones]

it's funny because people i talk to irl tell me working sucks but they have to do it anyway. I know why and I know what happens if I won't and that means I'll continue to do what i have to. but that doesn't change the fact that i continue hating it more with each passing day

Yeah, I think it's common to hear people casually say something like work sucks, but it's far rarer to hear people say things like you were talking about in your first post. In American society atleast (and there are others who have this in common) if you're anywhere near the topic of life goals, career as a whole, or even just the topic of "success", it's highly discouraged to be honest that you don't relate work with success.

In general, people aren't praised for saying that they don't care about promotions, money, and career goals and they'd rather focus on their family, artistic endeavors or whatever else is fulfilling to them. The overriding societal attitude is still major pressure to relate work and career with success, when in reality the meaning of success varies a lot from person to person.

 

[ikadasui]

So there's been a trend of people feeling everything go to shit the more they think about it. That being said, isn't that proof that real logic is just everything being shit? Pessimism is just logical sense.
At the same time though, I think it does also tie into what things you actually put value into or feel has value in life. ex: friends, family, hobbies, future, goals, whatever. So what does that say about people lacking said values? People like me who just don't want to do anything. There's no motivation because there's nothing I want to attain. But I still do what I have to do everyday. Why? Consequence. Everything that can go wrong will go wrong and everything that can get worse not only will but always has and continues to do so. But to understand what "worse is" I have to define what I put value in AND what I antagonize.
I value my family. They're really the only thing keeping me around at this point: their grief would be the only reason i stay.
Other than that, if I just had the bare essentials for first-world standards and keep what I already have, I'd be fine with that. But of course that is way to much to ask. No to simply exist, something called the "cost of living" always looms overhead. Failure to meet that of course leads to detrimental consequences toward a standard of living.
The only way to meet those standards is of course: work. Work hard. Become a caffeinated workaholic. Be passionate. Motivated. Everything that I don't have an ounce of. But we as humans in this world have to act like we care so that we are given the opportunity to work and exist.
Now if I don't want to work, no one cares if I just lose everything I have. But when I say I want to die, oh no don't do that here's 1000 sources that will document everything you do, give you no help, and of course put you into severe medical debt. after all, a crumbling mind is a perfect profit motif when every cog in the machine inevitably rusts.
I'm not happy. I don't want to be here. But being here is of course my own fault because it's just the consequences of every action I've made until now. But if I think this way, is that too a consequence of my actions or one of my environment? are the experiences I remember my own fault or am I supposed to just "be happy" and choose to only remember the good things far in between.
I'm not going to say 100% of everything is shit, but mathematically there's more evil than good. especially since the value I put toward effort in itself is negative. Effort and work are everything in this world and my lack of passion, motivation, or even discipline naturally leads to my hatred of exerting it. I've heard so many times mindset is a choice. You know what is never argued though? Living. No one ever says "living" is a choice because of course, no one chooses to be born. Cogs are shaped, melted, and shoved into the machine. Eventually they rust, break, snap, shatter, and get replaced. They aren't given the choice to just gather dust on a table. They aren't treated like humans and neither are we. We don't follow our own code of ethics, no we incessantly argue about more futile things like Rights and attention to a bunch of minorities when in reality, all they want is to be treated the same. And really, a world with actual equality would just mean no one cares and everyone goes about their own business day to day. (sorry controversy).
I'm not going to pretend like I'm a minority because I'm not. I was born, I work, I eat, and I will eventually die just like everyone else. I think and act according to the logical rules written for me to abide by. Not because I or anyone else wants to but because I have to.
Does thinking like this make me a pessimist, realist, or just plain paranoid?
It's just so utterly pointless. The repetition of mundane work, tasks, and chores have no meaning. they're supposed to be fueled by the motivation of the passionate: the feelings I'm completely devoid of. It's not even that they were lost: they were never there to begin with. I spent so long searching for them and I'm just gonna get told "I'm too young I'll find them eventually" when the same people spouting that nonsense haven't found their place either. Because that place doesn't exist. There isn't a single damn thing that'll make me happy. Because so long as I live I will of course have to work and I will have to act like It is my will to. that fake "will" is the freedom the US is so proud of announcing. really, it isn't freedom. it's chattel slavery with extra steps: the change of owners and locations don't mean shit. standard of living has increased but honestly the hours of work have been reverting so hard that it's going to be worse than actual slavery soon. Really if i have too work 2 minimum wage jobs just to afford to RENT a roof over my head, why the fuck should I be berated for wanted to stop? "those to don't work will not eat" ok then let me die. okay here are your choices: a psyche ward, the streets, or fucking jail.
It isn't pessimism. consequences are the natural effect of both action or inaction in every scenario. Either I can continue to work forever or I can be observed for my mental instability and made profit off of. funny isn't it? either way, i never asked for anyone of it. not to be born, not to continue to live, and I'm not given a choice to leave. It's either make money for someone else, make money for someone else, or lose the bare minimum.
It's always argued that it makes perfect sense because everyone else has to work hard so you should to. No one ever says people shouldn't work anymore because then society would collapse but would it? Would it really? sure maybe if everyone worked exactly 0 hours forever but of course even my smooth brain can think of a reasonable compromise: With ever advancing technology, why don't we use that increased efficiency to reduce hours of work? We don't need infinitely scaling means of production or exponential consumerism, no that only fuels profit. But when you have millions or billions of dollars, there comes a point where there literally isn't anything left to increase your standard of living. It's just more money for the sake of it, even at the cost of the lives of the many. If instead of profit motive we gave the slightest fuck about transportation of resources around the world, sure everyone wouldn't be INSANELY rich but there's enough for everyone to reach first world living standards. The resources exist: they're just hoarded. well, those are my thoughts anyway, call me ignorant, call it a pointless sense of idealism, call me stupid. it doesn't matter because i still have to get up for work in the morning and I still have to do my job today. There will come a day i don't wake up and as much as I'd wish it to be today, my actions have consequences beyond myself. My will, thoughts, and feelings on the matter hold no value. And of course neither do I.

Beuaituflly written. Don't have anything to to ad to that shit just aint right

 

[not_actually_human]

I haven't been able to put myself in the headspace to think right for once in forever (how dehumanizing) but your username striked a chord, I like it a lot.