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- Apr 9, 2024
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Hi everyone,
I have OTC access to Lidocaine / Bisoprolol. Have researched a little bit and it seems that Lidocaine at lethal doses, like 1g or even less gets you a cardiac arrest, while Bisoprolol has more side effects.
Can anyone share more details about these methods? I don't have the search function yet, but the suggested threads that popped up didn't give much info.
Here are some sources about the lethality of Lidocaine:
"The cause of death was determined to be ventricular arrhythmia precipitated by lidocaine overdosage. The administered dose was calculated to have been approximately 1500 mg."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12353561/
"The overdose of lidocaine produces death from ventricular fibrillation or cardiac arrest. In this case, according to macroscopic and microscopic findings, the cause of death was most likely cardiac and possibly related to ventricular fibrillation."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073806002775
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16787726/
"A 78-year-old woman committed double suicide with a bolus injection of 1 g of lidocaine hydrochloride.
These results indicated that the cardiac failure should have occurred immediately after the lidocaine injection."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12935451/
"Two cases of fatal lidocaine intoxication were presented to our center. The first case was a male with a history of multiple drug abuse who suffered from generalized seizures followed by cardiopulmonary arrest after oral ingestion of lidocaine spray. The second case was a female who suffered from generalized seizures followed by cardiopulmonary arrest"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266591072200038X
"Is injecting lidocaine intravenously a painless death?"
Answer by:
https://www.quora.com/profile/Douglas-Johnson-4
Douglas Johnson
MD in Surgery, Wayne State University School of Medicine (Graduated 1983)
Uncomfortable but probably painless. It would not cause any sensation except dizziness and then your heart goes into an arrhythmia and, with a large enough dose, it stops.
https://www.quora.com/Is-injecting-lidocaine-intravenously-a-painless-death
Additional answers from the same link above:
"Death depends on the dosage. Doctors use IV lidocaine to treat Arrhythmia. But the effects may show up earlier if we use it on the patient with normal sinus rhythm. If we achieve the toxic dose patient will have severe arrhythmia followed by cardiac arrest. So injecting lidocaine intravenously will surely cause death. But I don't know how painful it would be."
"IV Lidocaine will cause neurological effects well before it causes cardiovascular instability.
Unlike mucosal, intradermal or subcutaneous lidocaine, which all sting quite significantly, injecting lidocaine intravenously does not normally hurt.
Typical side effects of lidocaine toxicity are pins-and-needles, especially around the lips and tongue, agitation/confusion and tremors progressing to seizures and then loss of consciousness. Only at higher levels do you get arrhythmia and cardiovascular collapse."
"In The Netherlands we use 100mg/ml (10%) to make i.v. solutions with; infusion speed (after administering a bolus injection of 100 mg using the 2% solution) would usually be 2 mg/minute.
I remember a nurse who newly joined the coronary care unit who mistakenly administered this 10% solution, instead of the standard 2% solution which at that time look just alike, and injected this into a patient's vein, this was followed by a cardiac arrest, fortunately after external chest compressions the patient regained a normal heart rhythm and woke up. After this event we kept the 10% solution in a big ampoule, but the 2% solution only in a prefilled syringe, so no mistaking which was which.
I think unwittingly administering such a high concentration at a more than ten times higher rate then was intended caused the cardiac arrest, but didn't kill the patient."
P.S. I have access to OTC 100mg/ml (10%) IV solution, each ampule is 2ml and the pack has ten of them. I can pretty sure hit 1g or even more for instant lights out.
Would like to hear more of course from anyone who can add anything else that I might be missing, for example, bad side effects, tips how to do it, additional supplemental medicine, etc.
Thanks in advance, I very appreciate what you are doing here! <3
I have OTC access to Lidocaine / Bisoprolol. Have researched a little bit and it seems that Lidocaine at lethal doses, like 1g or even less gets you a cardiac arrest, while Bisoprolol has more side effects.
Can anyone share more details about these methods? I don't have the search function yet, but the suggested threads that popped up didn't give much info.
Here are some sources about the lethality of Lidocaine:
"The cause of death was determined to be ventricular arrhythmia precipitated by lidocaine overdosage. The administered dose was calculated to have been approximately 1500 mg."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12353561/
"The overdose of lidocaine produces death from ventricular fibrillation or cardiac arrest. In this case, according to macroscopic and microscopic findings, the cause of death was most likely cardiac and possibly related to ventricular fibrillation."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073806002775
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16787726/
"A 78-year-old woman committed double suicide with a bolus injection of 1 g of lidocaine hydrochloride.
These results indicated that the cardiac failure should have occurred immediately after the lidocaine injection."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12935451/
"Two cases of fatal lidocaine intoxication were presented to our center. The first case was a male with a history of multiple drug abuse who suffered from generalized seizures followed by cardiopulmonary arrest after oral ingestion of lidocaine spray. The second case was a female who suffered from generalized seizures followed by cardiopulmonary arrest"
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266591072200038X
"Is injecting lidocaine intravenously a painless death?"
Answer by:
https://www.quora.com/profile/Douglas-Johnson-4
Douglas Johnson
MD in Surgery, Wayne State University School of Medicine (Graduated 1983)
Uncomfortable but probably painless. It would not cause any sensation except dizziness and then your heart goes into an arrhythmia and, with a large enough dose, it stops.
https://www.quora.com/Is-injecting-lidocaine-intravenously-a-painless-death
Additional answers from the same link above:
"Death depends on the dosage. Doctors use IV lidocaine to treat Arrhythmia. But the effects may show up earlier if we use it on the patient with normal sinus rhythm. If we achieve the toxic dose patient will have severe arrhythmia followed by cardiac arrest. So injecting lidocaine intravenously will surely cause death. But I don't know how painful it would be."
"IV Lidocaine will cause neurological effects well before it causes cardiovascular instability.
Unlike mucosal, intradermal or subcutaneous lidocaine, which all sting quite significantly, injecting lidocaine intravenously does not normally hurt.
Typical side effects of lidocaine toxicity are pins-and-needles, especially around the lips and tongue, agitation/confusion and tremors progressing to seizures and then loss of consciousness. Only at higher levels do you get arrhythmia and cardiovascular collapse."
"In The Netherlands we use 100mg/ml (10%) to make i.v. solutions with; infusion speed (after administering a bolus injection of 100 mg using the 2% solution) would usually be 2 mg/minute.
I remember a nurse who newly joined the coronary care unit who mistakenly administered this 10% solution, instead of the standard 2% solution which at that time look just alike, and injected this into a patient's vein, this was followed by a cardiac arrest, fortunately after external chest compressions the patient regained a normal heart rhythm and woke up. After this event we kept the 10% solution in a big ampoule, but the 2% solution only in a prefilled syringe, so no mistaking which was which.
I think unwittingly administering such a high concentration at a more than ten times higher rate then was intended caused the cardiac arrest, but didn't kill the patient."
P.S. I have access to OTC 100mg/ml (10%) IV solution, each ampule is 2ml and the pack has ten of them. I can pretty sure hit 1g or even more for instant lights out.
Would like to hear more of course from anyone who can add anything else that I might be missing, for example, bad side effects, tips how to do it, additional supplemental medicine, etc.
Thanks in advance, I very appreciate what you are doing here! <3