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Let's say, that you go to sleep next to someone, after ingesting N, for example. They don't know. Eventually the person next to you wakes up and you've already ctb. Is there a possibility for the other person to be accused of anything, legally?

I'm scared of doing it alone somehow. Someone closed to me offered to...be...there when it happens. And not call the ambulance or anything, stating next day that they were sleeping so deep they couldn't hear shit.
 
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In most countries, if there is any suspicion that they knew, they can be tried for murder unfortunately. That's one of the reasons people travel to Switzerland, so they can have their loved ones with them legally when they go.
 
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Let's say, that you go to sleep next to someone, after ingesting N, for example. They don't know. Eventually the person next to you wakes up and you've already ctb. Is there a possibility for the other person to be accused of anything, legally?

I'm scared of doing it alone somehow. Someone closed to me offered to...be...there when it happens. And not call the ambulance or anything, stating next day that they were sleeping so deep they couldn't hear shit.


In the US, for the most part, you do not have a legal obligation to save a dying person. There are a few exceptions here and there. However, you are not allowed to put someone in a worse position. For example, let's say someone is stuck in the water, hanging on to something. You reach out your hand and say, let go, I'll help you. The person releases himself from whatever he was holding on to and reaches for your hand. Then you pull your hand away. You cannot do that.

You would have to check the law in other jurisdictions. You also would need to check if you have any special obligations based on your profession, your legal relationship to the person and so on.

Most of the time, people here in the US do try to save others, even putting their lives at risk to do so. Sometimes they die in the attempt.
 
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In the US, for the most part, you do not have a legal obligation to save a dying person. There are a few exceptions here and there. However, you are not allowed to put someone in a worse position. For example, let's say someone is stuck in the water, hanging on to something. You reach out your hand and say, let go, I'll help you. The person releases himself from whatever he was holding on to and reaches for your hand. Then you pull your hand away. You cannot do that.

You would have to check the law in other jurisdictions. You also would need to check if you have any special obligations based on your profession, your legal relationship to the person and so on.

Most of the time, people here in the US do try to save others, even putting their lives at risk to do so. Sometimes they die in the attempt.
You don't have the obligation to stop them committing suicide, but you can be tried for murder if they suspect you may have helped, even marginally. If the suicidal person says "Can you just hand me that bottle next to you?" and you hand it over, that could be sufficient. It can be on you to prove that you did not do anything that could any way be construed as helping.
 
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Its911

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However since this IS a PREMEDITATED act and the witness will have prior knowledge there might be grounds for some negligence charges maybe even criminal depending where you live. So if i where you i wouldnt say anything, just to be safe. Either way good luck on your journey where ever it may lead you. (There is something called Plausible Deniability) that's the only thing protecting the witness by telling them prior or even during the ACT you are putting them in VERRRRY slippery slope in terms of legality.
 
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However since this IS a PREMEDITATED act and the witness will have prior knowledge there might be grounds for some negligence charges maybe even criminal depending where you live. So if i where you i wouldnt say anything, just to be safe. Either way good luck on your journey where ever it may lead you. (There is something called Plausible Deniability) that's the only thing protecting the witness by telling them prior or even during the ACT you are putting them in VERRRRY slippery slope in terms of legality.
They know everything already. It's either "go to sleep together and pretend nothing happened next morning" or having them come home sunday and find me like that
 
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Its911

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They know everything already. It's either "go to sleep together and pretend nothing happened next morning" or having them come home sunday and find me like that


I would suggest they find you because you dont know how they will react to the police investigation or what they might say in a time of great greif, my advise is to do so when they can deny the ability to being able to help or intervine in any way in that exact moment. Even by posting this here you might be putting them in a pickle, so choose wisely because i dont think you would want them to get in any trouble or go through more greif than nessecary, and i can tell you from experience being infront of someone thats dying and not being able to help fucks with your mental stability. You wouldnt want them to end up here after...
 
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Let's say, that you go to sleep next to someone, after ingesting N, for example. They don't know. Eventually the person next to you wakes up and you've already ctb. Is there a possibility for the other person to be accused of anything, legally?

I'm scared of doing it alone somehow. Someone closed to me offered to...be...there when it happens. And not call the ambulance or anything, stating next day that they were sleeping so deep they couldn't hear shit.
I can understand not wanting to die alone but i think this is too risky for u both.

Although they say that they will not call for help , their actions may be different at the time as they realize the true reality of the situation.
.i think its perhaps alittle unfair and unrealistic to expect someone close to you to just sit back and watch u die.

I would also be worried about the legal implications for them as they would be the last person to see you alive so would be questioned.
We spend most of our life trying to please others but i feel the final act we have to just think of ourselves and involving others in any way will have consequences and may result in failure.
 
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Kingkelly

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Just play dumb. Deny deny deny they can't prove anything honestly everyone makes their own decisions.
 
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Kazilium

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I can understand not wanting to die alone but i think this is too risky for u both.

Although they say that they will not call for help , their actions may be different at the time as they realize the true reality of the situation.
.i think its perhaps alittle unfair and unrealistic to expect someone close to you to just sit back and watch u die.

I would also be worried about the legal implications for them as they would be the last person to see you alive so would be questioned.
We spend most of our life trying to please others but i feel the final act we have to just think of ourselves and involving others in any way will have consequences and may result in failure.
Kinda true. I talked him out of it... He didn't like it. Lol.
 
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