Leading indicators

[Tintypographer]

The NIH data on suicides in the US are a staggering condemnation of our understanding of this as a disease.
This site has posts by only a small slice of the millions of people suffering. This is real data compiled by the CDC and NIH.

The leading cause of suicide is firearm for men and women. It's not suicide discussion groups, "death cults" chemicals people buy from shady dark websites.

People don't come here and gain secret knowledge on the fact that a gun can harm them. Guns are legal and found at sporting good stores.

The cause of suicide isn't forums where shattered lives go to talk about how they feel. The cause of suicide is terrible mental health. What do the overwhelming number of people on this site say they dislike most:. 1) suicide hotlines (they are horribly staffed and the scripts do not help). 2) therapy (cognitive reframing and feelings discussions have a poor success rate among treatment resistant depression 3) being told things will get better and you just can't see it yet.

What will slow suicide rates?

My recommendations are increased access to mental health and a reframing of mental health approaches on a very different scale from today, significant improvement in school counseling to the staffing levels of teachers in public and private education and massive investment in anti bullying efforts.




Otherwise your rates are just going to keep going up. The numbers are increasing and the angry Kelli Karen's of the world are focused on stopping discussion between the very people afflicted with the disease.

These are real data numbers in the curves. The website is the NIH. The crisis is one of mental health not some pseudo fear mongering about death cults or incels. We are men and women for whom the pain exists every waking moment and the inevitable problem will continue to grow as long as the method of treatment is still platitudes and requests to think happy thoughts.

 

[Tintypographer]

"Call the suicide hotline immediately"

Look at the numbers of people who die by suicide in numbers per 100,000 for age groups



The numbers are staggering. Statistically very few teens 14 and under per 100k individuals are in danger of suicide compare to the 22-30 percent for all other age groups. But "call the hotline" is the pattern.

Yet here is the federal report on the hotline:




THE INITIAL ANALYSIS REVEALS THAT FEDERAL AND PRIVATE INVESTMENTS IN RESEARCH ARE MEAGER (BOLDED). and FUNDING IS DECREASING WHILE MORTALITY IS INCREASING!!!!!!


And the biggest go to Congress concern is "shut down some bizarre section of a federal code about internet culpability" or "websites are run by incels". The death numbers are bigger than homicide and drug overdose and these issues get police funding in the billions and opioid settlements in the billions.

Take your efforts with Congress toward the actual problem. Fix the real issue with suicide!!!

 

[chocolatebar]

The cause of suicide is terrible mental health.

This is something taken in a quite axiomatic way. I'm not so sure about this. Can't we say that living conditions play a huge role in suicide? Sometimes, even too much awareness about life.

The numbers are staggering. Statistically very few teens 14 and under per 100k individuals are in danger of suicide compare to the 22-30 percent for all other age groups. But "call the hotline" is the pattern.

Yes, this is something I can't comprehend. People act as if suicide is something more prevalent in the young, when it's the other way around!

 

[apathetic.]

Just don't have kids. No need to complicate things.

 

[calminorcal]

Yes, people are often surprised at these statistics. It's true that for several years the suicide rate has increased fastest among the young, however the overall rate remains highest among older folks, especially men. This is nothing new. Hopelessness, helplessness, isolation are strong predictors and can come with aging.

 

[Tintypographer]

I recognize that the data posted above us not new and that the numbers have been going up. My issue is that the vocal and media (social and journalism) focus is on the profiled deaths of a select group of individuals and on the unraveling of the lifestyle and a few contextual blog and other posts of sanctioned suicide forum owners. I showed the clear big picture for the disease and poorly-received treatment (suicide is a disease and hotlines or mental health treatment protocol and access is the treatment). In the face of this, the vocal awareness group chooses not to fight for better treatment and understsnding, they focus on some link to incels and labeling sanctioned suicide as a "death cult".

When you tell them who you are (I have done so) and why I am are on here they become furious about the website and my "brainwashing that has taken place". I have not been brainwashed, I am under no ones control here and my thoughts, pain and attempts at comprehension of it are mine.

I hear the following "I will agree that mental health is inadequate but people on that site are brainwashed and don't understand that they need help". If I were to define "catch 22" in today's modern world it would be that "suicidal ideation patients need help so they should just go get help to feel better and not be suicidal.". We don't tell cancer patients, you really should look on the bright side and just go talk to some doc about your disease. It's a major effort costing tens of thousands of dollars per patient to save the life. Suicidal patients get a volunteer trained in scripts on a hotline that has a wait period of hours or a forum you can post on but youre not allowed to say you're planning suicide because it can cause discomfort to other forum members.

In the meantime the numbers are going up and up and up!!!

 

[Ta555]

Yeah I'm going to strongly disagree with you on the whole "suicide is a disease" idea.i used to think that but no. It's not, most of the time it's not. A lot of the time it's a rational solution to a problem that cannot be ameliorated. It is not a disease. So not with you on that at all.

 

[Tintypographer]

I think it is. At least for me. I have had the depression and suicidal ideation on a loop for.so long it's just part of my day. I don't have any major problems. No trauma, fully paid for houses, no drugs or alcohol and over 25 year marriage with three healthy kids excellent career and extended family. I can't shake the clinical depression or desire to die. Been through multiple types of therapy for years and it is always the same, many types of drugs and in and out patient. I believe for some it's a feedback loop that's stuck no matter how good or bad the environment is. At least that's my experience.