Don’t believe lies. CTB increased by 64%. It’s rising

[JesiBel]

I think it's a global problem. Not just mental illness, but current living conditions.

We live in a "modern" era where we are treated as if we were super-powerful machines, made to be exploited and work tirelessly, just to survive or have a "decent" life. The cost of living, services and basic needs are too expensive. We are in a state of collapse or overwhelmed mind and a tired or sick body.

There is no secure future, but rather a lot of uncertainty and fear. Wars, conflicts, or disasters can add to the many problems we already have. There is no peace anywhere.

Therapy and mental health facilities are ridiculously expensive here, as are medications. Helplines have limited hours and can't offer more than a few words.

You really feel trapped and hopeless. Everything seems absurd, because the system isn't going to change.

You just adapt as best you can and keep putting up with everything... or you die/kill yourself.

Sick world.

We evolved to enslave ourselves, to take ourselves to an inhuman extreme. Like garbage, if you're no longer useful, they just throw you away. There are still plenty more functional humans out there.

And I wish they would understand, whoever commits suicide has really tried everything before.. is a person who has reached the bottom of a miserable existence.

 

[Trappednocure]

There is a lot of money interest in pharma yes but I think people too quickly jump to the conclusion that all pharma companies are evil.
The real issue that needs to be fixed is how long and expensive FDA trials are. Because of this pharma companies have to sell their treatments at a very high cost. Its not enough to make break even or slight profit because you also have to pay for the risk meaning pay for all your clinical trials that failed.
So thats where the real pharma problem lies, in the clinical testing phase.

 

[Ligottian]

The last I checked, official numbers for the US have not been updated since 2022.

 

[failure_consumes]

I'm similarly a skeptic about many forms of 'treatment', which do seem to be inadequate for lots of people.

i would describe one of the main reasonings behind that being how things like depression are treated like it's an aberrant, illogical 'cause' moreso than acknowledging it as an 'effect' often of external circumstances, sometimes the kind of things that someone may not even be able to affect much by any actions available to them in the first place.

of course, whatever reasons someone may be depressed might just be beyond what any medical professionals could ever directly help u with, so they might say that despite that, the mainstream treatments are there to alleviate symptoms and help make things tolerable, perhaps put one in a better state of mind where they can make any possible positive changes, even if the main problems may be rooted in external factors.
But also the experience of many of those types of treatment (like CBT) in some cases can also just appear like doing nothing more than gaslighting, supressing one's genuine reactions & feelings towards the real unaddressed problems.

so I've never understood talking to a therapist or psychologist or anything. If there was something i could do, that i could possibly imagine, then i would be trying that instead of talking to them. If i bring up something i can't seem to do anything about, then that puts them on the spot and they're basically like 'well what am i supposed to do about that..' in whatever professional terms they say it in. if the obvious answers were possible, i would have done that instead of coming to them. if i brought up in advance why they all weren't possible, i would rant and waste time and confuse them. if i don't, then i get to hear another person come up with everything for the first time & i have to respond and explain why, unfortunately..... . perhaps i just needed another person with a new perspective to confirm it's hopeless, great, i feel worse now.
the main advice i tended to get in those kind of situations it to basically to just keep waiting it out, when, in practice, many of these kind of problems scream out to u at the time no matter how hard u can keep trying & supressing ur feelings because they represent things that, without something being available right now, rot, and remain a gaping void that creates an even worse future. but you just have to wait it out cause maybe the next thing will better, (even tho u then of course have to enter it with the disadvantaged position of a gaping void of a past behind u).
This is just something I've experienced thru my past n stuff but i have bigger problems than anything for therapy anyway.
Sometimes i see people on here only describe having the symptoms of clinical depression for apparently no reason & nothing else, i think wait- why r u here with us instead of over there with them.... but i know it's difficult for everyone, i'm not going to judge, pills & docs n stuff probably don't fix it for most people in the first place anyway.
whatever
it's a shame
it often makes me feel really bad browsing here, it's not really like because of or specific to here it's just a glimpse into many different lives & things happening for people anyway





i think im also kind of ranting about stuff only slightly related to ur post
yeah i agree with some of what u said in the sense that there r external causes for things
some of that could be attributed to Capitalism
systems can be changed, so i dont have any kind of overarching nihilistic or weird philosophy like some people here
however im also not optimistic about change

I agree. I've never understood why people think therapy or drugs can alleviate real problems that would exist no matter how many drugs you prescribed or methods of coping you have me try. The situation doesn't change from changing my mind set...its not better. I may be more disillusioned by it or able to prevent it will be ok, but objectivity it won't be OK. I feel like people don't get that. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[wham311]

I agree. I've never understood why people think therapy or drugs can alleviate real problems that would exist no matter how many drugs you prescribed or methods of coping you have me try. The situation doesn't change from changing my mind set...its not better. I may be more disillusioned by it or able to prevent it will be ok, but objectivity it won't be OK. I feel like people don't get that. Maybe I'm wrong.

Correct.


Their logic is "well this isn't working so this is the only thing you can try" and "you're not a doctor so you don't know"

 

[white_car]

I personally don't think wanting to CTB is *mainly* about mental health. Seems to me you have to be sick in the head to want to endure what this rotten world has to offer... THEY are the crazy ones.

I view this as the ultimate form of protest or strike.

"Suffer, be degraded, insulted, exploited, exhausted, and most of all BE THANKFUL FOR IT!"...

What???!!!

It's only natural and healthy to refuse such a nightmarish proposition.

The day someone comes up with an easy an painless way of CTB (like a simple audio file that ends you peacefully when you listen to it, by doing something to your neurons), people will be doing it *by the millions* every day!

 

[brittlemoth]

The system isn't trying to mitigate damage. The system IS the damage. Any 'mitigation' of damage is the system making a weak attempt at appearing benevolent. It does this as it sinks its teeth in deeper than before. For as long as I go on it makes me more sick.

 

[Ariel1]

I think it's the opposite and they actually want most of us dead. I think they lie about everything, including the idea that we're overpopulated. Stops people from having kids, gets them to feel guilty and bleak and want to kill themselves. In Canada, they're offering euthanasia to just about anyone, veterans, people with serious illnesses (even if their death isn't foreseeable). We have a doctor shortage and healthcare crisis and I think they want to eliminate those people they consider burdens on the system. They tried to open it up to provide euthanasia for mental illness but got too much push back, though i think they said it will be available in 2027. That being said, I'm obviously not opposed to euthanasia, but I don't trust the medical system and don't think it should be medicalized. They should just allow people access to the drugs they need to do it themselves (e.g. nembutal) and assistance if desired. And you shouldn't have to get doctor referrals, fill out forms or jump through hoops.

 

[Amarajoy]

Yup so government employees can get their bloated pensions and bennies.

 

[L9my]

Whats the point of restricting methods when it's so difficult to be employed? What money are they making from unemployed ppl?

without unemployed people how can you threaten someone with being fired and replaced

 

[SovietSuicide]

The world is a prison planet, nothing will or can ever be good here.

You build tolerance to pleasure and sensitivity to pain.

Even in a perfect system we would all still suffer.

Why is it only <10% that suicide, it's boggling to me. My life is better than most, why doesn't everyone worse off than me realize it's just a sick game?

 

[Ligottian]

without unemployed people how can you threaten someone with being fired and replaced

Fun OT fact. In the US, workers on strike cannot be fired. However, they can be "permanently replaced". I wonder if the judge or whoever made that decree was a Kafka fan.

 

[Life'sA6itch]

CTB is the 2nd leading cause of death for individuals ages 20 to 34 in the US and it's rising. Numbers began steadily ticking up in the late 1990s and have risen ever since, with nearly 50,000 people in the U.S. CTB in 2022, up 3% from the previous year.

Suicide rates in the US are on the rise: New study offers surprising reasons why

Increased access to prescription opioids and a shrinking economic safety net contributed to an increase in suicide rates in the 21st century, according to new

www.colorado.edu

I asked myself why things seemed bleak beyond mental health issues for some and discovered CTB rates have been up, yet doctors and therapists persist with the same prescriptions, therapy treatments, and expensive healthcare that don't consider the mind and body connection and society impacts.

Some people also can't afford expensive therapies and sessions. If you don't have money in the US you can't get help so you'll likely die if you have mental issues or need medical help. The crisis line is not there to help you. They are there to route you to the police to lock you in the hospital and give you medical bills.

- Males make up about 80 percent of deaths by CTB

- People aged 85 or over have the highest rates of CTB (22 percent)

According to data from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), CTB deaths among 10- to 24-year-olds increased by 62% from 2007 to 2021

- The CTB rate among Black youth ages 10-17 increased by 144% between 2007 - 2020. 144%!

Between 2000 and 2020, the CTB rate rose from 10 per 100,000 to just over 14, a 40% increase in only 20 years. Between 2020 and 2021, CTB rates increased alarmingly, with nearly 48,000 Americans dying by CTB in 2021, which is 132 deaths per day or one death every 11 minutes.

Firearms remain the most common method used in CTB, accounting for more than 50% of cases in 2023. Males make up about 80% of deaths by CTB, and people aged 85 or over have the highest rates of CTB.

Why we ask? Theories? https://www.brownhealth.org/be-well/rise-suicide

When looking at state-level financial indicators, the authors found that suicide rates strongly paralleled changes in states' economic conditions, such as stagnating wages, higher unemployment and increased poverty

Don't feel bad for wanting to CTB. We know CTB isn't accurately reported by countries and attempts aren't reported either. If more knew easier ways to CTB, more would. It's been documented governments censor information to stop copy cat CTB. They need bodies for labor and taxes.

It's why they ban chemicals and ways to keep us trapped here. Every government needs bodies to work so they can tax our paychecks. You're not weird or abnormal.

Data shows CTB is consistently increasing across racial lines and backgrounds. Doctors and therapists are using the same drugs and methods pushed by pharmaceutical companies. You'd think they'd do better or adapt for better patient outcomes, but western medicine is about money.

Homelessness is ALSO at an all time high. They hate the common man who suffers in their systems yet want to shut this site down.

If you are depressed but have hope left or want to try and see a different way, go the eastern route. The western world and it capitalism is materialism and emptiness. Try to learn spirituality to help yourself before it's too late.

Is it that doctors jobs are more stressful or that they have access to meds to ctb?

Both

 

[notreallybored]

CTB is the 2nd leading cause of death for individuals ages 20 to 34 in the US and it's rising. Numbers began steadily ticking up in the late 1990s and have risen ever since, with nearly 50,000 people in the U.S. CTB in 2022, up 3% from the previous year.

Suicide rates in the US are on the rise: New study offers surprising reasons why

Increased access to prescription opioids and a shrinking economic safety net contributed to an increase in suicide rates in the 21st century, according to new

www.colorado.edu

I asked myself why things seemed bleak beyond mental health issues for some and discovered CTB rates have been up, yet doctors and therapists persist with the same prescriptions, therapy treatments, and expensive healthcare that don't consider the mind and body connection and society impacts.

Some people also can't afford expensive therapies and sessions. If you don't have money in the US you can't get help so you'll likely die if you have mental issues or need medical help. The crisis line is not there to help you. They are there to route you to the police to lock you in the hospital and give you medical bills.

- Males make up about 80 percent of deaths by CTB

- People aged 85 or over have the highest rates of CTB (22 percent)

According to data from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH), CTB deaths among 10- to 24-year-olds increased by 62% from 2007 to 2021

- The CTB rate among Black youth ages 10-17 increased by 144% between 2007 - 2020. 144%!

Between 2000 and 2020, the CTB rate rose from 10 per 100,000 to just over 14, a 40% increase in only 20 years. Between 2020 and 2021, CTB rates increased alarmingly, with nearly 48,000 Americans dying by CTB in 2021, which is 132 deaths per day or one death every 11 minutes.

Firearms remain the most common method used in CTB, accounting for more than 50% of cases in 2023. Males make up about 80% of deaths by CTB, and people aged 85 or over have the highest rates of CTB.

Why we ask? Theories? https://www.brownhealth.org/be-well/rise-suicide

When looking at state-level financial indicators, the authors found that suicide rates strongly paralleled changes in states' economic conditions, such as stagnating wages, higher unemployment and increased poverty

Don't feel bad for wanting to CTB. We know CTB isn't accurately reported by countries and attempts aren't reported either. If more knew easier ways to CTB, more would. It's been documented governments censor information to stop copy cat CTB. They need bodies for labor and taxes.

It's why they ban chemicals and ways to keep us trapped here. Every government needs bodies to work so they can tax our paychecks. You're not weird or abnormal.

Data shows CTB is consistently increasing across racial lines and backgrounds. Doctors and therapists are using the same drugs and methods pushed by pharmaceutical companies. You'd think they'd do better or adapt for better patient outcomes, but western medicine is about money.

Homelessness is ALSO at an all time high. They hate the common man who suffers in their systems yet want to shut this site down.

If you are depressed but have hope left or want to try and see a different way, go the eastern route. The western world and it capitalism is materialism and emptiness. Try to learn spirituality to help yourself before it's too late.

ב''ה, within USA there sure is a lot of foreign encouragement. Free speech and all.

 

[timetogo00]

ב''ה, within USA there sure is a lot of foreign encouragement. Free speech and all.

Huh? What? Who's paying you to spread nonsense? Suicide rates have been up in the US even after Covid.

Free speech doesn't relate to this. Most suicidal people want to be left alone. Free speech means they should have spaces like this to feel connection and understanding.

 

[loggingin]

The world is a prison planet, nothing will or can ever be good here.

You build tolerance to pleasure and sensitivity to pain.

Even in a perfect system we would all still suffer.

Why is it only <10% that suicide, it's boggling to me. My life is better than most, why doesn't everyone worse off than me realize it's just a sick game?

less education, religion, optimism bias. + were biologically wired to have an aversion to death and seek pleasure,