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The system is absolutely fucked, they shouldn't do it like this they should start at the root of the problem and maybe fix the fucking mental health care so people don't Have to feel like nothing will get better and think suicide is the last option.Canadian Man Charged With 14 Counts of Murder for Mailing Poison to Young People, Helping Them Kill Themselves | The Gateway Pundit | by Paul Serran
The number of worldwide victims of Kenneth Law may be in the hundreds.
what the fng fuck? the only thing he murdered was peoples wallet.
There is no mental health system. That's just a delusion that people Without mental illness tell themselves to justify why they should pop out a million more kids for no reason. People continue to believe there's answers to things there's no answers to
There is no mental health system. That's just a delusion that people Without mental illness tell themselves to justify why they should pop out a million more kids for no reason. People continue to believe there's answers to things there's no answers to
I live in the Netherlands so I don't know how it is for you but we have a mental help system called ggz but it's absolutely fucked, not enough people, not enough time and not enough expertise. So it's almost as if we don't have a system because it's so bad.
I don't profess to be any type of legal expert but I don't understand this unless it's being done to instill fear in any and all potential suppliers so that supply becomes globally restricted.
Unless they have documented evidence of him actively coercing or encouraging purchasers to ingest the product with intention to kill themselves I'm not sure how he can be charged this way?
How is it different from a gun shop selling a firearm to someone who then uses it to ctb? The seller didn't force the purchaser to do so in either scenario, and if purchasers do not disclose intent for use then how would a supplier be culpable?
I know law is more complex and I knew they'd pin something on him but I don't understand how they're managing to bring murder charges against him.
Thanks for the info, if he was doing that it makes a bit more sense why they'd have legal grounds to pursue more significant charges. Hadn't followed too much of the case because so much in the media is exaggerated and sensationalised.
Are you U.K.? I'm really surprised you've had engagement and referrals to so many sources at all (no matter how inadequate). For me it's always a case of gp gatekeeping and only throwing drugs at me. I think because I've lived with varying degrees of suicidal ideation / intent for a long time, tried multiple ineffectual "therapies" that never worked, they've given up. Unless I make an attempt that fucks up so bad I have no choice but to be in hospital I honestly don't think I'll ever even be offered psyche team engagement again.
I know tell me about it. Makes me fucking laugh how everything is so fucking expensive now too. I'm never going to do well for myself because im a woman dumb and I'm fucked in the head what is even the point of trying. I don't want to try anymore I hate everything dont want kids nothing truly to live for. Can't even become a monk because im a woman.
Yes UK. It might be because of specifics to my situation but when I first noticed problems it was in 2019 and my GP didn't seem interested in helping me much. At the end of the year a nurse said I was siuffering from PTSD and to get help with it ASPS after surgery I was having. I spoke to mp GP, who sent me to talkworks who said I was suffering from Depression and Anxiety and referred me back to my GP. That was it until I tried to ctb last year. Then that is when I started to get help but even then it was one Therpaist (suicide and self harm) who referred me back to Talkworks who I told I was still struggling and was being mistreated in my new workplace too and I was struggling to handle it, so they passed me back to my GP who then referred me to the community wellbeing team and that is where all these referrals have all stemmed from this year.Are you U.K.? I'm really surprised you've had engagement and referrals to so many sources at all (no matter how inadequate). For me it's always a case of gp gatekeeping and only throwing drugs at me. I think because I've lived with varying degrees of suicidal ideation / intent for a long time, tried multiple ineffectual "therapies" that never worked, they've given up. Unless I make an attempt that fucks up so bad I have no choice but to be in hospital I honestly don't think I'll ever even be offered psyche team engagement again.
For me, I do work. I'm generally a fairly on the surface "high functioning" individual, despite myriad of internal daily mental / emotional torture that is mostly down to my brain wiring. Because I'm able to articulate and rationalise my struggles fairly clearly, they often seem to think there's little point in talking therapies. They don't tend to make much difference for me and never have, years ago when I did have more engagement with mental health services the staff would often tell me I had more of a handle on my own thought processes than even their understanding. I'd oddly seem to end up educating them on how it feels to actually live with complex trauma, ptsd, self harm, anxiety, major depressive disorder and the like but no amount is talking about it or exploring CBT/DBT or whatever else they like to tout as current favoured approach has ever been able to combat my default brain wiring. So they trialed lots of different drugs, and they didn't do much either. Maybe there is no "fix" for me, and I often find outside of whatever they read in a textbook, they have no idea what to do. People are individuals but instead of really listening and understanding everyone's specific nuances, they take generalised approaches. I think in part because services don't communicate well, but also because there is a massive lack of resource to devote to really dealing with each individual on a more personally tailored approach unique and needed for each case. We are just numbers with allocated minimal time slots that don't allow care providers to really get to root sources. Because waiting lists are so long they seem to be more interested in a quick assessment that categorises you in terms of immediate risk and it not at immediate risk of significant harm to self or others, you get punted because of that lack of resource. However, if there was more investment in early interventions and proper longterm support then I think it would help prevent a large number of people from actually reaching imminent crisis point. There is little forethought in U.K. healthcare anymore which I think is down to service pressures and funding. Across the board in all specialties whether mental or physical health, early interventions and treatment can help many (and from a purely financial perspective would save them a lot of money in the longer term as less people would need more critical treatments and less people would likely end up unable to work which would then save on benefits system). But they are too stretched to effectively implement measures like this. It's all reactive rather than preventative.
For me, I do work. I'm generally a fairly on the surface "high functioning" individual, despite myriad of internal daily mental / emotional torture that is mostly down to my brain wiring. Because I'm able to articulate and rationalise my struggles fairly clearly, they often seem to think there's little point in talking therapies. They don't tend to make much difference for me and never have, years ago when I did have more engagement with mental health services the staff would often tell me I had more of a handle on my own thought processes than even their understanding. I'd oddly seem to end up educating them on how it feels to actually live with complex trauma, ptsd, self harm, anxiety, major depressive disorder and the like but no amount is talking about it or exploring CBT/DBT or whatever else they like to tout as current favoured approach has ever been able to combat my default brain wiring. So they trialed lots of different drugs, and they didn't do much either. Maybe there is no "fix" for me, and I often find outside of whatever they read in a textbook, they have no idea what to do. People are individuals but instead of really listening and understanding everyone's specific nuances, they take generalised approaches. I think in part because services don't communicate well, but also because there is a massive lack of resource to devote to really dealing with each individual on a more personally tailored approach unique and needed for each case. We are just numbers with allocated minimal time slots that don't allow care providers to really get to root sources. Because waiting lists are so long they seem to be more interested in a quick assessment that categorises you in terms of immediate risk and it not at immediate risk of significant harm to self or others, you get punted because of that lack of resource. However, if there was more investment in early interventions and proper longterm support then I think it would help prevent a large number of people from actually reaching imminent crisis point. There is little forethought in U.K. healthcare anymore which I think is down to service pressures and funding. Across the board in all specialties whether mental or physical health, early interventions and treatment can help many (and from a purely financial perspective would save them a lot of money in the longer term as less people would need more critical treatments and less people would likely end up unable to work which would then save on benefits system). But they are too stretched to effectively implement measures like this. It's all reactive rather than preventative.
I hope you get somewhere and find some resolution though. Good luck.
All public sector environments are absolutely broken. I have experience working there also and have witnessed similar many times. For all the "look good on paper" policies they have, there is little follow through. If you try to make things better and challenge status quo you're often more likely to be bullied or ostracised and treated like a troublemaker. There's a lot of inherent "shut up and get on with it and don't raise your head above the parapet" mentality. There's also a lot of people in management getting paid way too much for nothing, they have no concept of how to manage anything. And the worst offenders are never held to account, they band together and find a scapegoat. Having also worked in private sector, comparatively I was horrified when witnessing some of the toxic cultures in public sector and lack of accountability. However, to be fair, there are also a lot of people who go above and beyond to fill the gaps left by those who do the bare minimal. Unfortunately this ends up with the really dedicated people burning out, and ending up off sick or having to leave, whilst the idiots coast along ineffectually. And in healthcare environment it's very strange because if someone is suffering you would think they'd be given more empathy, understanding and support by colleagues and management because it's a healthcare environment and they should understand more! But sadly mental health can hold even more stigma working in these places.
All public sector environments are absolutely broken. I have experience working there also and have witnessed similar many times. For all the "look good on paper" policies they have, there is little follow through. If you try to make things better and challenge status quo you're often more likely to be bullied or ostracised and treated like a troublemaker. There's a lot of inherent "shut up and get on with it and don't raise your head above the parapet" mentality. There's also a lot of people in management getting paid way too much for nothing, they have no concept of how to manage anything. And the worst offenders are never held to account, they band together and find a scapegoat. Having also worked in private sector, comparatively I was horrified when witnessing some of the toxic cultures in public sector and lack of accountability. However, to be fair, there are also a lot of people who go above and beyond to fill the gaps left by those who do the bare minimal. Unfortunately this ends up with the really dedicated people burning out, and ending up off sick or having to leave, whilst the idiots coast along ineffectually. And in healthcare environment it's very strange because if someone is suffering you would think they'd be given more empathy, understanding and support by colleagues and management because it's a healthcare environment and they should understand more! But sadly mental health can hold even more stigma working in these places.
It baffles me. But I think have veered massively off topic! Wishing you peace, however things play out for you. X
Thank you for sharing this. My own experiences also tell me that you better fucking stay healthy and happy, because you can't trust anyone to help you. As a teenager I naively expected that if there was something that could be done to help, you could usually find a doctor who would do it—at least the legal stuff. It's so scary now, knowing how much we're all on our own.
I guess it's because K-Law knowingly sold suicide kits to where people see him as a murderer, he profited off of the desperation of the people he sold his sn to.
Maybe because they operate within certain protocols they have to follow whereas Lawb just acted out of his own volition
I used to teach military ethics at a Royal Military Academy here in the UK to prospective officers. Oh the debates we had about this stuff. I set an essay question each year: The right to life includes, by implication, a right to death. Discuss.
I saw that it says he sent out at least 1200 packages. Probably from each package sold, it also had some email or message exchange with customers. If out of over a thousand message history, even just a small few percent of those customers accidentally mentioning they were depressed or along the lines of self-harm, would already be dozens, which helps indicate he was aware of their intentions, but yet still supplied the SNI don't profess to be any type of legal expert but I don't understand this unless it's being done to instill fear in any and all potential suppliers so that supply becomes globally restricted.
Unless they have documented evidence of him actively coercing or encouraging purchasers to ingest the product with intention to kill themselves I'm not sure how he can be charged this way?
How is it different from a gun shop selling a firearm to someone who then uses it to ctb? The seller didn't force the purchaser to do so in either scenario, and if purchasers do not disclose intent for use then how would a supplier be culpable?
I know law is more complex and I knew they'd pin something on him but I don't understand how they're managing to bring murder charges against him.
This is true, he even bragged about how a lot of people died as a result from his sn which i don't know how he knew that when I'm sure it's not likely that he followed up on what happened to some of the people he sold the sn to.
Agreed, there could've possibly been a few exchanges of email where Law was aware what the end result would potentially be when he sold the sn.
Was it not that a few families found the ic packaging and notified police about it?
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if out of over 1000 people, there were a small percentage of customers that also asked things like if he also supplied meto / benzos / antacid, or asked if he knew anyone that did or know where to get it.... and things like that
