Every chance that definitely happened, just like how users here ask where to get those items, I'm sure some asked Law where to get them and possibly may have told them or assisted to buy the meds for them as a higher fee or something, not that it actually happened since we don't know to the fullest extent of what happened but I wouldn't be surprised.
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Tears in Rain
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- Dec 12, 2023
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On a separate website to his SN one, he was also selling inert gas kits; EEBD hoods with a hose, along with a gas flow regulator.
Then a person only needed to buy an inert gas cylinder to complete the kit.
He advertised the gas regulators as being for beer brewing.
Apparently he was importing the hoods cheap from China, then selling them on for a large profit.
He was definitely no pro-choice activist. Just a chef, who had supplies of SN, and found out they were becoming a popular ctb method. Saw a revenue opportunity, and went for it.
However, many people all over the world got their ctb wish because of his actions, so there's that .
RichardFirst
Specialist
- Jan 16, 2021
- 383
It's the hyper-libertarian argument that he was supplying a good that people wanted. Unfortunately, there are a lot of things that people want that could be sold at a profit, but should perhaps not be.
Honestly, cases like IC really demonstrate the need for a legal and peaceful euthanasia option. The world is littered with people who are pursuing dangerous and painful means of self-deletion, and guys like Law are profiting from their misery. He's much like a drug dealer or a pimp
Tears in Rain
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- Dec 12, 2023
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Agree with all of the above.
Hmm, interesting take. I wonder would most people on this site agree with that, or would they take the opposite view that it didn't matter that he was making a profit, given he helped so many people get what they desperately needed?
Anyways, time will tell whether he gets convicted or not.
RichardFirst
Specialist
- Jan 16, 2021
- 383
He may have helped people CTB, but I do genuinely think that selling a means of self deletion to a person is predatory. Now, if he'd been supplying SN with a charge just sufficient to cover supply and shipping, I would think differently.
Maybe I need to stop thinking this way....
Tears in Rain
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- Dec 12, 2023
- 858
I came across a newspaper article that said that this Kenneth Law guy, on one of his websites, was offering phone consultations to people for $150.
A journalist from The Times newspaper in the UK paid for a consultation, pretending to be a potential buyer (I presume of SN). Here's a quote from that journalist in the article, describing the phone conversation with Law:
"I didn't expect him to be particularly open, but in fact he was extremely open almost as soon as we started talking...Within 90 seconds he was telling us how to take this substance in order to die".
It seems that Law wasn't the smartest; greed got the better of him in the end.
A few newspaper headlines refer to him as 'The Poison King'.
Article link below:
https://fairfaxmedia.pressreader.com/article/281767044021674
A journalist from The Times newspaper in the UK paid for a consultation, pretending to be a potential buyer (I presume of SN). Here's a quote from that journalist in the article, describing the phone conversation with Law:
"I didn't expect him to be particularly open, but in fact he was extremely open almost as soon as we started talking...Within 90 seconds he was telling us how to take this substance in order to die".
It seems that Law wasn't the smartest; greed got the better of him in the end.
A few newspaper headlines refer to him as 'The Poison King'.
Article link below:
https://fairfaxmedia.pressreader.com/article/281767044021674
IWishToDie
I check notifications once per week
- Dec 31, 2023
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Tears in Rain
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- Dec 12, 2023
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Most here would probably agree. He should have stuck to just selling, instead of stupidly offering consultations for a fee.(and allegedly having email interaction with people he sold stuff to, about set-up, etc.) But he was driven by money; he was bankrupt in 2020 and apparently was $130,000 in debt.
wljourney
Waiting for the bus
- Apr 2, 2022
- 1,419
Yup.
Under Canadian law counseling others to suicide is a felony.
He should have just kept to the basics.
It's really unfortunate because even with his jacked up pricing (about $100 for a 50g bag iirc) he only sold about 1200.
Assuming that he paid $15-35 for shipping, $5 for packaging and another $5 for the SN itself he only made about $55-75 with each package.
That's about $60-75k and didn't even cover the debt he was trying to pay back.
And now he'll have to pay 100's of thousands for legal fees…
Not a viable business model.
Clearly.
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