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Final Spirit

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The police department that arrested the IC owner Kenneth Law and 10 others has made a Public Safety Announcement today warning the public of the province to be on the lookout for SN packages and items that appear to be eebd hoods (Nitrogen method). I would assume that other law enforcement agencies outside of Ontario who were connected to Kenneth's case would make their own announcements soon. It sucks now SN will become even more restrictive due to this, when they brought up the gas masks I had a feeling they are going through this forum, eh I guess its now or never to order SN from where I live.

You can watch the PSA here

 
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i find it interesting since i have worked at many suicide hotlines around the world, including near markham, KL's place of residence. i find it really funny how they think they can seriously stop humans from finding ways to kill themselves. i find it a little unnerving that i lived next to canada's most famous sasu user and SN distributor, maybe i'll get the news that the person in my city in italy is a sasu user, haha.

it does definitely worry me that the glowies (or whatever people call the government g-men nowadays) are watching the site, but as long as you don't act like an idiot and name one of your SN distributors "escape mode" you should be ok. i can already tell from the title of the video that its probably going to either be bashing on KL as a "monster" or a generic video with a suicide hotline number and crimes stoppers in order to snitch on others. i dont even need to click on it.

also, you don't need to rescue people when you are the very reason why they are commiting suicide.

fuck off pigs. to the g-men on the site, fuck you!
 
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Hilarious. What's up with the dramatic music? They make a very simple ethical decision look like a crime. Weird, I can't take this video seriously and I certainly can't take the Peel Regional Police seriously anymore after this video. "Oh no, people want to exercise their right to die - fast, stop them!! Call us if you know someone who has a SN so we can violate their most basic human rights."

As far as I know, SN is still being sold. They're just desperate because they know they can't stop people from exercising very personal decisions regarding their own welfare. And that's a good thing.
 
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Hilarious. What's up with the dramatic music? They make a very simple ethical decision look like a crime. Weird, I can't take this video seriously and I certainly can't take the Peel Regional Police seriously anymore after this video. "Oh no, people want to exercise their right to die - fast, stop them!! Call us if you know someone who has a SN so we can violate their most basic human rights."

As far as I know, SN is still being sold. They're just desperate because they know they can't stop people from exercising very personal decisions regarding their own welfare. And that's a good thing.
this psa is one of those where nobody will bother to actually follow the instructions on it. nobody is going to check which company sent a package to your neighbor. even if it were directed at parents of the 20-somethings on the forum still living in the basement, who is going to actually check a package for SN? the parents are probably already scared of seeing a dildo being mailed.

while it is a good thing that they cant stop us from helping others exercise their rights, i think its seriously time to have a discussion about whether or not this site needs to be fed-proofed in case of seizure. the psa states that they are indeed working with police around the globe, so maybe discussions on the future of the site should appear.

what do you think Rain?
 
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There is an IC updates megathread already, btw.

 
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Whats SN used for usually, maybe something more broader than food preserving.

When I planned my Exit Bag method, I told people that I needed nitrogen, because we are brewing our own beer with some pals, and that nitrogen is used as a substitute for CO2 .........

I think people can use SN just as before(especially after the heat dies down), they just need better excuses.

EDIT: That PSA background music :pfff:
 
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It's like so many people forget that we are all just destined to cease existing anyway, we are only waiting around to die, so it's absurd trying to stop people from leaving this world when death actually is something that's so normal, we all have our right to die.

And I think that suicide is the best way to die as it's leaving on our own terms and it's the way to prevent unnecessary suffering, because at the end of the day we are all going to die anyway so I could never see a point to enduring decades of suffering where one can potentially be tormented to extreme amounts just for them to decay from old age.

I don't understand the appeal to existing and it's just inhumane wanting to ban every method that is reliable and isn't brutal. Existing can easily get much worse for anyone, and anyone can end up in a situation of the most extreme torture, I bet it would be different if something happened to the pro-life people to make them want to die.
 
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Snitch on your own child to the police so as to create a record rendering him unemployable and/or permanently stigmatized if news ever gets out .
Oh yeah *help is available, even though he has been to dozens of doctors and spent tonnes of money without relief.

* Also by help we mean police harassment, psych wards and NO, medical bills will not be on us .
 
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Snitch on your own child to the police so as to create a record rendering him unemployable and/or permanently stigmatized if news ever gets out .
Oh yeah *help is available, even though he has been to dozens of doctors and spent tonnes of money without relief.

* Also by help we mean police harassment, psych wards and NO, medical bills will not be on us .
and this is why everyone who is mentally ill is scared shitless of the police
 
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New article with a more balanced perspective. They mention pro-choice and pro-life and the debate. Hopefully there can be more articles that are more than just "zomg CTB evil"

 
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So easy for them to blame Ken Law for everything, but these people wanted to die .He helped them rightly or wrongly. They would of found another way to die anyway. The mental health system is terrible so its easy to point blame at the likes of Law
 
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Oh - there's a cameo appearance by Tantacrul … as 'Martin Keary'

Re: Martin Keary : "After his own loss … " ?!?

Video @ 1:18+

FYI :
Tanatcrul posted here as 'Jonels' saying - that he "didn't believe in morality" … and … that "he lied" …


What type of people believe they are above Morality and Truth ?
 
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The police department that arrested the IC owner Kenneth Law and 10 others has made a Public Safety Announcement today warning the public of the province to be on the lookout for SN packages and items that appear to be eebd hoods (Nitrogen method). I would assume that other law enforcement agencies outside of Ontario who were connected to Kenneth's case would make their own announcements soon. It sucks now SN will become even more restrictive due to this, when they brought up the gas masks I had a feeling they are going through this forum, eh I guess its now or never to order SN from where I live.

You can watch the PSA here


Bastards!
agreed!
Hilarious. What's up with the dramatic music? They make a very simple ethical decision look like a crime. Weird, I can't take this video seriously and I certainly can't take the Peel Regional Police seriously anymore after this video. "Oh no, people want to exercise their right to die - fast, stop them!! Call us if you know someone who has a SN so we can violate their most basic human rights."

As far as I know, SN is still being sold. They're just desperate because they know they can't stop people from exercising very personal decisions regarding their own welfare. And that's a good thing.
 
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'Suicide poison' chef linked to 88 deaths in UK

Kenneth Law was caught by The Times supplying a lethal substance via a website

August 25 2023, The Times

The National Crime Agency has launched a formal investigation into Kenneth Law, a Canadian chef, after linking him to 88 deaths in Britain.

The agency began working with all police forces to identify potential victims of Law after he was caught by The Times supplying a lethal poison to suicidal people via a website.

An Interpol list containing the details of 232 of his British customers was passed to the agency from Canada and subsequent inquiries established that 88 people in the UK had died.

Law, 57, was arrested in Canada days after a Times exposé revealed that he had been selling the poison online for two years under the noses of the authorities. He admitted to an undercover reporter that "many, many, many, many" people had died after taking the substance.

Craig Turner, deputy director of the NCA, said: "Our deepest sympathies are with the loved ones of those who have died. They are being supported by specially trained officers from police forces. In consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service, the NCA has taken the decision to conduct an investigation into potential criminal offences committed in the UK. This operation is under way."

Revealed: the chef selling poison to suicidal youngsters

Law is being held in Canada after he was charged with two offences of aiding suicide. He will appear in court in Ontario today for a bail hearing.

The aerospace engineer-turned-chef sent 1,200 packages to 40 countries. He is now being investigated by police in the United States, Italy, Australia and New Zealand.

Yesterday the NCA said that after "extensive liaison" with the Canadian authorities, no cases "from outside their jurisdiction" would be included in the Canadian prosecution. The decision prompted the agency to launch its own formal investigation.

Britain would have to extradite Law if he were charged in relation to deaths in this country. Assisting suicide carries a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison in Canada and the UK.

Parents of those killed by Law's poison have called for an official inquiry into how he was able to avoid detection for two years while shipping a lethal substance into the UK. Law was seemingly able to hoodwink the authorities into thinking he was supplying the poison — which has other uses — for legitimate reasons.

However, The Times revealed that he was preying on young suicidal people. The case is even more remarkable given that a British police investigation three years ago found that a different seller of the same poison was linked to 57 deaths across the UK and Europe.

David Parfett, whose 22-year-old son Tom died in 2021 after taking the poison sent to him by Law, said: "We have to learn and apply lessons immediately. Now we know the horrific death toll, it is important for families to understand what has happened and why policing worldwide allowed this despite clear warning signs.

"Even today, there are people who promote suicide to the young and vulnerable. There are many other Kenneth Laws. An inquiry should be set up to examine what is happening."

Relatives of the 88 who died, who include several university students in their early twenties, are demanding further action to stop those preying on suicidal individuals. Proposed changes include regulation of the poison used in the suicides — which The Times is not naming — requiring purchasers to have a Home Office licence.

Chef offered to sell 'suicide poison' to victim's relative via PayPal

They also want to see harmful websites blocked. Evidence seen by this newspaper shows how a number of Law's UK customers were shepherded to him through a shadowy online suicide forum. Users were given the name of Law's website on the forum, which we are also not naming.

Parents and relatives of those who have died also want to see more joined-up policing of the poison. The Home Office receives information on poison suicides from the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), which is notified of all such deaths. The information is used to spot emerging trends but the name of the seller is not routinely passed on by police to the NPCC, The Times has learnt.

A joint police investigation between Manchester, Surrey and Sussex forces in 2020 found that a company on the south coast had sent the poison to more than 200 people. As a result, the company was linked to 57 confirmed deaths in the UK and Europe. No charges were brought against the company as police concluded that it believed it was selling the substance to people for legitimate purposes.

Joe Nihill, from Leeds, was 23 when he died in 2020 after taking the substance from the seller on the south coast. His mother Catherine Adenekan, 52, has been calling for change ever since. She told The Times: "The suicide forum is at the centre of this and it is still online. There's also still no regulation of this substance. Why not?"

'Poison seller supplied deaf activist' who took own life

Law repeatedly featured in police investigations after UK suicides since 2021 but officers failed to realise that he was actively selling the substance for death. The trained engineer, who appears in court today, was charged on May 2 with two counts of aiding suicide, a week after The Times investigation was published. Both charges relate to deaths in the region where he lives, just outside Toronto. More charges could yet be brought against Law in Canada, with 11 police forces in Ontario alone investigating his activities.

In the UK, sources stressed that investigators still had work to do to prove that the exact poison bought from Law by a customer in the 88 cases led directly to their death. Suspected victims of Law include Imogen Nunn, 25, from Brighton, a deaf TikTok creator with 780,000 followers, who took her own life on New Year's Day this year.

An NCA statement said: "At this early stage there are no confirmed links between the items purchased from the websites and cause of death in any of these cases."

In a phone call, Law told an undercover reporter from The Times that he had "hundreds" of UK customers and that some people had told him that he was doing "God's work". He claimed that he was offering an "avenue of escape" for suicidal people. Later, when confronted by The Times in Mississauga, a city close to Toronto, Law said: "I'm just selling a product. Perhaps you may want to stop people buying knives and guns."

• Listen to Poison, a three-part investigative podcast series about a chef selling death to youngsters


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It seems to me like all these customers of Law were adults. Can't adults shop for themselves anymore?

I do find it funny that people tend to cry bloody murder when people choose to end their own lives but are OK with people suffering and dying from addictions or just poor health in general.

It's a crime when a young seemingly healthy person dies but mostly everyone else is OK. It's obviously about making a sensational news in the media for people to argue about than actually fixing the problems that get people in these predicaments where self destruction is the logical outcome.

How shameful to use your family members in a way to portray them as victims of Law instead of victims of the faulty society they lived in. Shameful.
 
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IMO the mods should start looking for glowie red flags more intensively.
 
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Great! So now we have to endure further restrictions on our bodily autonomy "for our own sake". Such endless generosity on the part of law enforcement! Actively restricting every pleasant form of CTB so that we are left with no option but to launch ourselves off a building or in front of a train. At least therapists won't be out of a job, dealing with the scarred patients that witness our gory demise.
 
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From BBC News:

Mr Parfett fears there other suppliers out there and unregulated websites promoting suicide.
"What can be done immediately to close down internet sites that prey on vulnerable young people and prosecute the people who take pleasure in helping others take their own life?" he asked.


They actually think we're all on here gaining pleasure from encouraging 'vulnerable young people' to ctb. Wankers.

The sheer scale and speed of the international crackdown proves one thing: SN must be a reliable and fairly painless way out.
If it wasn't they wouldn't give a shit.
 
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Oh - there's a cameo appearance by Tantacrul … as 'Martin Keary'

Re: Martin Keary : "After his own loss … " ?!?

Video @ 1:18+

FYI :
Tanatcrul posted here as 'Jonels' saying - that he "didn't believe in morality" … and … that "he lied" …


What type of people believe they are above Morality and Truth ?

I thought that was Tantafool. Smh.

"It's weird that someone sent this to me and it's purpose was to kill me."

Oh FFS.

'Suicide poison' chef linked to 88 deaths in UK

'Suicide poison' chef - how many Michelin stars?

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Remy and I really can't stand the spin on this.
 
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I thought that was Tantafool. Smh.

"It's weird that someone sent this to me and it's purpose was to kill me."

Oh FFS.



'Suicide poison' chef - how many Michelin stars?

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Remy and I really can't stand the spin on this.
LOL. Yeah why are they calling him a chef that is fucking strange. Love the meme
 
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LOL. Yeah why are they calling him a chef that is fucking strange. Love the meme
He is/was a chef. I think that's how he had access to SN so easily.
 
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you don't need to rescue people when you are the very reason why they are commiting suicide.
Amen.

Reminds me of when police were harassing and hunting me down on the whims of my parents so that I don't do "any wrong thing to myself"
 
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also, you don't need to rescue people when you are the very reason why they are commiting suicide.

Of course you do. How else do you justify your existence and convince taxpayers to keep giving you money?
 
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So easy for them to blame Ken Law for everything, but these people wanted to die .He helped them rightly or wrongly. They would of found another way to die anyway. The mental health system is terrible so its easy to point blame at the likes of Law
They may not have found another way necessarily, but it does always crack me up when it's said, "They'd still be here if not for that meddling Kenneth Law!" Well, maybe. But they would definitely still be here if life wasn't utter dog-shit-hell-fuckery. Seems like the bigger issue to me.

Edit: I wonder if T-Cruel got a wellness check for ordering the SN, or if he managed to intercept that somehow.
 
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Is it okay to share about my experience with Ken Law? Such as what was ordered and possible interactions with law enforcement?
 
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Is it okay to share about my experience with Ken Law? Such as what was ordered and possible interactions with law enforcement?
SN and hood+regulator were purchased from two separate Ken Law sites in late 2022. Assembly instructions were sent for hood+regulator by email. Have nearly CTB but backed-out at last minute. Keeping gear in hopes that when things get worse it will be available to end things on own terms.

About two months back FBI arrived at front door. "We're investigating a report from Canadian authorities that SN was purchased from Ken Law and delivered to this address. Is xxfailurexx's SO here, and okay?". SO went outside with FBI agents and explained, "no, I have no idea what you're talking about. this is really strange.".

Not generally against the FBI, because don't know enough about the organization to care, but really do not see what they're doing is benefiting anyone through this investigation. Haven't heard anything since.

Envy the people who had SN available to them through Ken Law's sites. If only SN was that readily available when was a teen, could have saved so much anguish and be free from this existence. Maybe not for everyone, but the older one gets, the more difficult to take one's life it can be.

Ironic that so much effort goes into stopping Ken Law, providing a service for those who, posessing full autonomy, do not want to exist, and yet almost no effort is expended to thwart something that's actually taking innocent lives of people who DO want to be alive: guns.

Similar to a DNR, which must/should be respected because don't want to suffer any longer when severely injured/ill, there should be a legal binding document for those who choose not to suffer right now. "Do Not Prevent ME Ending My Existence", a DNPMEME. If a current DNPMEME exists one can take to any VAD clinic to discuss options, with no 6 months terminal illness required.

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"An inquiry should be set up to examine what is happening."

No shit, but don't start with, or stop at, Kenneth Law. Look into the root cause you dolts. If they did that, discovered the root cause, they would likely free Ken Law and put up a statue of his likeness, or maybe address the real problem, which is not, and never was, Law.
 
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SN and hood+regulator were purchased from two separate Ken Law sites in late 2022. Assembly instructions were sent for hood+regulator by email. Have nearly CTB but backed-out at last minute. Keeping gear in hopes that when things get worse it will be available to end things on own terms.

About two months back FBI arrived at front door. "We're investigating a report from Canadian authorities that SN was purchased from Ken Law and delivered to this address. Is xxfailurexx's SO here, and okay?". SO went outside with FBI agents and explained, "no, I have no idea what you're talking about. this is really strange.".

Not generally against the FBI, because don't know enough about the organization to care, but really do not see what they're doing is benefiting anyone through this investigation. Haven't heard anything since.

Envy the people who had SN available to them through Ken Law's sites. If only SN was that readily available when was a teen, could have saved so much anguish and be free from this existence. Maybe not for everyone, but the older one gets, the more difficult to take one's life it can be.

Ironic that so much effort goes into stopping Ken Law, providing a service for those who, posessing full autonomy, do not want to exist, and yet almost no effort is expended to thwart something that's actually taking innocent lives of people who DO want to be alive: guns.

Similar to a DNR, which must/should be respected because don't want to suffer any longer when severely injured/ill, there should be a legal binding document for those who choose not to suffer right now. "Do Not Prevent ME Ending My Existence", a DNPMEME. If a current DNPMEME exists one can take to any VAD clinic to discuss options, with no 6 months terminal illness required.

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"An inquiry should be set up to examine what is happening."

No shit, but don't start with, or stop at, Kenneth Law. Look into the root cause you dolts. If they did that, discovered the root cause, they would likely free Ken Law and put up a statue of his likeness, or maybe address the real problem, which is not, and never was, Law.
Did they have the legit FBI seal or are you just using 'FBI' as a synonym for LE?

I ask because I find it weird how rights for suicidal people are handled by the state prosecution and congress and LE but the FBI only covers law on the federal level. The only way I see the FBI being involved is if they are treating the situation as "serial murder" as some states prosecute aiding suicide as murder/manslaughter, which is within the FBI domain.

JUST very weird that this is being treated like a serial murder case rather than being handled as welfare checks by local LE. Not saying that welfare checks are great, just saying that it's less expansive.

Really funny how the media treats KL like satan. I once say a news article put a stock picture of cocaine mistaking it for SN and it gave me a good chuckle.

Journalism is dead, but its corpse is very goofy.
 
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