Just no point

[derpyderpins]

I am modern man who get designed to work in factory, not to work in a farm. In fact I don't have choice capitalism will eventually force me to adapt with mainstream to achieve survival. Capitalism is force that destroy the traditional way of life, you can take the luddites as example.

I mean, farms still exist. There are lots of them. Right now, in 2024, you have a choice to go start working on one and you choose not to.

By primitive society I meant really premitive society where the technology to create religion, rules, tools,language,... Were under control of individual before it gets more complex and uncontrollable from individual perspective. therefore modern man faces more restrictions.

I accepted your premise about the pre-agriculture era for the purposes of this discussion.

You asked me "why is only modern work slavery" I answered you and I gave you some intellectuals to learn from.

Well, what I mean is that I asked @sserafim specifically based on her claims. I appreciate you coming in and giving your own answer but I asked her because she makes the statement over and over. She's clearly not thinking about it the way you are.

This premise is wrong, not every work is slavery throughout history but modern work is slavery. Even if modern work is slavery nobody is responsible for anyone else.

So would you say that all work after there were farms and societies and organized religion all work was slavery? If not please tell me when that switch flipped in your opinion.

 

[sserafim]

I mean, farms still exist. There are lots of them. Right now, in 2024, you have a choice to go start working on one and you choose not to.

I accepted your premise about the pre-agriculture era for the purposes of this discussion.


Well, what I mean is that I asked @sserafim specifically based on her claims. I appreciate you coming in and giving your own answer but I asked her because she makes the statement over and over. She's clearly not thinking about it the way you are.


So would you say that all work after there were farms and societies and organized religion all work was slavery? If not please tell me when that switch flipped in your opinion.

Having to work for a living is modern day slavery. Work is being somewhere you don't want to be just to make money in order to pay to exist. Nobody enjoys working, and if they do, they must be delusional. It's for survival purposes because in this world, nothing is free. It's honestly absurd that we're expected to *earn* a living. No one even chose to be alive anyways. Why should a living have to be earned? It's absurd that we have to work to survive considering how no one consented to being alive anyways. We were all born without our input or consent. These responsibilities and obligations are imposed onto us just because we're alive, and our survival depends on it. We're all born into a state of modern day slavery. Adulthood is just life in survival mode. It's not even living, just surviving. It's all about survival. Everything that people do is just to survive

"Gallup, in its recently released State of the Global Workplace: 2022 report, found that, along with dissatisfaction, workers are experiencing staggering rates of both disengagement and unhappiness. Sixty percent of people reported being emotionally detached at work and 19% as being miserable."

 

[derpyderpins]

Having to work for a living is modern day slavery. Work is being somewhere you don't want to be just to make money in order to pay to exist. Nobody enjoys working, and if they do, they must be delusional. It's for survival purposes because in this world, nothing is free

"Gallup, in its recently released State of the Global Workplace: 2022 report, found that, along with dissatisfaction, workers are experiencing staggering rates of both disengagement and unhappiness. Sixty percent of people reported being emotionally detached at work and 19% as being miserable."

Yes, but when you say "modern day slavery", this is opposed to what? I'm with you that work is miserable. We agree. I'm saying people have always had to work and there have probably always been people who didn't like it so what about "modern" work makes it slavery? Like, a businessman in London in the 1700's who went into an office to work, was that "modern day slavery"? What about farmhands 2000 years ago, when they either worked on the farm or starved? You get what I'm saying.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

Nobody enjoys working, and if they do, they must be delusional.

As we've established previously, most people do enjoy working. They may not enjoy their current job, but they enjoy working.

 

[sserafim]

As we've established previously, most people do enjoy working. They may not enjoy their current job, but they enjoy working.

Well they're delusional and have Stockholm Syndrome then. I truly believe that most people are brainwashed by life

 

[divinemistress36]

When I was able to work I enjoyed working but only if it was part time
.it's ridiculous people have to work at least 40 hours and more to survive

 

[EmptyHeaded]

Well they're delusional and have Stockholm Syndrome then. I truly believe that most people are brainwashed by life

Just because you don't enjoy work doesn't mean everyone who does must be brainwashed.
This reminds me of the whole pro life thing. They believe that because they enjoy life, everyone who doesn't must be sick.

 

[anhedonya]

I think it depends. At base, yes, I agree that the modern workforce is very much designed to make you so tired that you never even think of revolting against the government. No time to cook and shower and watch a show and hang out with friends all at once means you have no time to care about the political issues and spend your days fighting for a changed system. So yes the current way that capitalism runs the world is very messed up and as someone who works 40 hours + overtime, I can tell you that it severely worsens my week everytime I have to clock in.

That being said- not everyone hates working because not every job is like this. There are aspects of my job that I like at times. I like feeling busy and doing something with a purpose. If I sat around all day, which I did for many years during my period of isolation that is still ongoing, I'd just be suicidal and obsessive 24/7 instead of having something else to focus on. So though I hate working, I also hate just standing around. I like having things to do and I want to be part of society someday. Or I would've liked to, I should say, since I'm on the path to CTB. I think my mental health stuff + maybe? autistic traits? (no diagnosis but strong suspicion from many) is why it's just so so so horrific for me to clock into work. That and my coworkers are a nightmare.

But overall I do think your stance is a little extreme- a sense of wanting purpose and meaning and having things to do is very much a cherished thing by many people. And there's many lucky people out there who have decent jobs or at least the people at their job are nice so they like showing up even if the job itself is subpar. Solidarity and strong groups can be very healing in the worst of circumstances. I don't think it's delusional to want to work somewhere good and have things to do, just like I don't think you're delusional for not wanting to work at all.

 

[xinino]

I mean, farms still exist. There are lots of them. Right now, in 2024, you have a choice to go start working on one and you choose not to.

Again, slavery isn't only about work but also about the restrictions of modern life imposing by technology. Beside Modern farming or off grid lifestyle is just larping and generational transient, and both are very distinct from authentic primitive lifestyle, that been said by ignoring the exponential exploitation force of capitalism.

Well, what I mean is that I asked @sserafim specifically based on her claims. I appreciate you coming in and giving your own answer but I asked her because she makes the statement over and over. She's clearly not thinking about it the way you are.

I can confirm that she has nothing to say

So would you say that all work after there were farms and societies and organized religion all work was slavery? If not please tell me when that switch flipped in your opinion.

In my opinion, the switch happened with the rise of civilization, where the individuals renounced their tribalist lifestyle.

 

[sserafim]

Just because you don't enjoy work doesn't mean everyone who does must be brainwashed.
This reminds me of the whole pro life thing. They believe that because they enjoy life, everyone who doesn't must be sick.

There's a reason why people have to be paid a salary: to get them to work. I'm pretty sure that corporations and companies would love to pay people as little as possible if they could. They need to give people monetary compensation. Work is an added struggle

And there's many lucky people out there who have decent jobs or at least the people at their job are nice so they like showing up even if the job itself is subpar. Solidarity and strong groups can be very healing in the worst of circumstances.

I don't like people and I don't want solidarity or strong groups. I've never wanted connection. I honestly don't think that I was meant to be human. One of the happiest times of my life was when my college went remote and we all got sent home. I didn't have to see or be around people anymore. I hate socializing and social interaction. I hate how I was forced to talk to and interact with people for my whole life (at school and college). I never enjoyed it, but I had to

 

[derpyderpins]

When I was able to work I enjoyed working but only if it was part time
.it's ridiculous people have to work at least 40 hours and more to survive

We should absolutely be working less by now with all the tech advances we have. That's what pisses me off. The 40 hour week is about 100 years old. Too many people are go-along to get along. You need people with skills and value (leverage) to insist on working less to start the trend. I see a little bit of it but not nearly enough.

 

[anhedonya]

I don't think you're weird for that- some people just prefer quiet and alone time. I do like people and spending time with my friends but I can do just fine on my own for like.. a lot longer than most people. I think a few months is the cutoff time when the isolation starts hurting me because humans are a social species and it just changes your brain in unique ways depending on the person.

But yeah I don't think you're strange. I think you're in a difficult situation where you're being told "work even though you're autistic in a way where you can't handle it or you're worthless". I think in better circumstances things could be different, and connection doesn't necessarily mean like.. going out to an event with people. It just means spending time around people and having conversations and stuff, which you're doing now. I think you're a regular person who is going through a lot and I wish your parents understood your restrictions.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

There's a reason why people have to be paid a salary: to get them to work. I'm pretty sure that corporations and companies would love to pay people as little as possible if they could. They need to give people monetary compensation. Work is an added struggle

There's millions of people that work for free; salaries aren't an argument against it. It's been like that ever since the first human was employed by someone else.

 

[derpyderpins]

Having to work for a living is modern day slavery. Work is being somewhere you don't want to be just to make money in order to pay to exist. Nobody enjoys working, and if they do, they must be delusional. It's for survival purposes because in this world, nothing is free. It's honestly absurd that we're expected to *earn* a living. No one even chose to be alive anyways. Why should a living have to be earned? It's absurd that we have to work to survive considering how no one consented to being alive anyways. We were all born without our input or consent. These responsibilities and obligations are imposed onto us just because we're alive, and our survival depends on it. We're all born into a state of modern day slavery. Adulthood is just life in survival mode. It's not even living, just surviving. It's all about survival. Everything that people do is just to survive

"Gallup, in its recently released State of the Global Workplace: 2022 report, found that, along with dissatisfaction, workers are experiencing staggering rates of both disengagement and unhappiness. Sixty percent of people reported being emotionally detached at work and 19% as being miserable."

Saw you updated this. I still have my same question: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/just-no-point.163014/post-2496426

But I hear you that the situation sucks.

Some people do enjoy working. I largely don't, but some of my work is nice. I recently got to draft up a large and complex motion and demand threatening some giant mega-law firm, and doing all the research and arguments was like a huge puzzle. That wasn't so bad, even if it was tough. But, I definitely get the sentiment that work sucks in general.

Why should a living have to be earned?

The answer is because there's no one to simply give it to you, and if you require others to provide it you are demanding someone else both earn their own living and part of yours. No one is imposing the responsibilities and obligations on you, they just exist, and people aren't inclined to handle their own responsibilities and obligations while taking additional responsibilities and obligations off your plate. Yes, you didn't ask to be born and there's a philosophical discussion there but not a practical one. You were born. You exist.

Adulthood is just life in survival mode. It's not even living, just surviving. It's all about survival. Everything that people do is just to survive

Prompted me: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/random-song-lyrics.161227/post-2496614

It definitely is like that. Life is hard and full of negatives, that's why I preach minimizing the negatives and maximizing the positives even if you never get to an overall positive. You're here, might as well give it a go if you aren't ctb'ing right now.

You do get something out of life. You post here so much, you're interested in music and philosophy. Even if the people on here disagreeing with you annoy you you clearly get some sort of thrill out of the fight. You also seem to like the affirmation of people agreeing with you. It's okay to acknowledge that there are some parts of life that aren't terrible.

 

[destinationlosangel]

Working serves no purpose, it's just the psychopaths throwing you scraps for your soul and domination over the masses

It's even more cucked for people like us to work when we do not get a safe stable future (property) which is a basic human need

I know this is a boring thread but a lot of people even here are desperate to get fucked by a shit job and an unfair society

Living only makes sense when ur at the top!

 

[Sail_to_Infinity]

By the way, did you know that in North Korea, if you commit suicide your entire family (parents, siblings, grandparents) and 3 generations ahead - your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren go to a concentration camp for hard labor for their entire lives ? By the way, it's amazing how prosperity perverts human morality and conduct. In the EU or the US, people are getting more and more entitled. They think they deserve everything, and demand nothing from them - because it's slavery and the NWO. They know everything - biochemistry, genetics, vaccines, the economy, geopolitics, mathematics and quantum physics, despite not understanding functioning of the batteries for the TV remote control in front of which their fat ass sits on the chair all day. In Poland where I am living there are more and more "national patriots" dumb as a shoe, but with egos the size of the galaxy - they know everything about absolutely everything, shameless enough to be able to instruct professors and Nobel Prize winners (rigged awards, given to the humble in the face of the "system"). In the USA it's the same - toothless rednecks who can barely count to 10 on the fingers of both hands and other Make America Great Again shit-eaters who in the 19th century USA would have been isolated in centers for severely mentally disabled/psychiatrically ill people. This seems to be simply one of the basic elements of human nature - the more you have, the more and faster you want. A case like the never-working wives of rich men who, despite a mansion with a swimming pool, luxury cars, unlimited credit cards and shopping for clothes worth 50k dollars every day - "want something more and don't want such a life anymore because it's not life xd" and cheat on their husbands without which you will crap out at the intersection of streets for a dose of fantanyl or meth xd

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I honestly agree with everything you're saying and before getting my job last September I was basically in a similar position as you.

If this is how you or anyone else feels, the best you can hope for jobwise is something that feels like you're cheating the system. Working for the government or for a large corporation and doing the bare minimum amount of work that only registers as a drop in an ocean while getting paid a livable salary for it is really the dream in that sense. Of course we all know that even cheating the system is part of the system and that's how the ones who truly benefit from it stay on top.

I also think that the other reason many people still find value in working shitty jobs is that it makes any form of leisure or recreation feel even more important and valuable. When eight hours of your day five days a week gets sapped away doing something soul-sucking it makes it much easier to appreciate doing the little time you have to do the enjoyable things. I'm not saying that's gonna convince you, it certainly wouldn't have convinced me. The only thing that convinced me was my home situation become so unbearable that I needed some excuse to be out more often.