Venting Just got another 'suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem'.

[Maravillosa]

Suicide may indeed be a permanent solution to a temporary problem. However, life is a never-ending succession of more or less temporary problems, as I wrote on another thread on this site:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ted-general-discussion.1428/page-4#post-56080

I find it understandable that people who are tired of attempting to solve that never-ending succession of more or less temporary problems would want to permanently get off the hamster wheel of life, especially if there were a pleasant afterlife in store. I believe that God, although He would be sorely disappointed when people die by suicide, would be merciful to the souls of those people who kill themselves and grant them a pleasant afterlife in Heaven. Of course, people might see this line of thought coming from me as prospective self-justification: committing a sin in the expectation that God would forgive it is itself the sin of presumption. Ah well! May God be merciful to me, and to us all!​

 

[killmepls]

After one of my psych ward stays, I fell off the radar. No follow-up appointments had been scheduled.

People who visit the psych ward should be connected with resources before discharge. Somebody should be tasked with making sure the patient is following up. All it takes is a two-minute follow-up call to the patient to see how they're doing and to make sure they're seeking treatment.

They only "help" you if you don't want it. A lot of scumbag "doctors" with god complexes in this field that only like holding power over people. In my case I wouldn't want it, they can't help me. They do fuck all to help anyone (if they don't make it worse)

 

[Trashcan]

I hate that saying. First of all, how do YOU know my problems are temporary compared to my life? These problems I want to escape will be with me for the rest of my life, and some of them will get worse. Second of all, I WANT a permanent solution! Why would I want a temporary one?

 

[Deadinside24]

I'm so fucking tired of seeing these overused cliche as fuck platitudes that lifers disguise as advice. Like motherfucker life is the temporary problem. Suicide sure as fuck isn't easy nor is it the most selfish thing you can do. The most selfish thing is to expect someone to live a lifetime of misery just so your feelings don't get hurt for a few weeks. Boofuckinghoo dipshit I'm so done with people like this it's undeniably frustrating hearing so many empty words that show no tolerance or acceptance for suicide. Am I overreacting? I may well be but damnit I'm tired of hearing this shit.

Spot on. I could not agree more. It's torture struggling with chronic major depression and dependencies on drugs or alcohol. Once you realize the cycles you're in never end, it becomes clear what the solution is. You are definitely not overreacting.

 

[Deadinside24]

don't be mad,, they are ignorant not malicious, i think deep down they want to help, but they are misguided,

I agree. I also think they don't know how to help because they don't understand what we feel and go through and have been going through for longer than we can remember.

 

[shortjoke]

The temporary problem is called "being alive". The only solution to that, of course, is to die, which fortunately happens to be permanent.
In some sense, those people are not wrong lol.

 

[Phro]

The temporary problem is called "being alive". The only solution to that, of course, is to die, which fortunately happens to be permanent.
In some sense, those people are not wrong lol.

That's an interesting way of looking at it!

 

[weedoge]

Suicide may indeed be a permanent solution to a temporary problem. However, life is a never-ending succession of more or less temporary problems, as I wrote on another thread on this site:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ted-general-discussion.1428/page-4#post-56080

I find it understandable that people who are tired of attempting to solve that never-ending succession of more or less temporary problems would want to permanently get off the hamster wheel of life, especially if there were a pleasant afterlife in store. I believe that God, although He would be sorely disappointed when people die by suicide, would be merciful to the souls of those people who kill themselves and grant them a pleasant afterlife in Heaven. Of course, people might see this line of thought coming from me as prospective self-justification: committing a sin in the expectation that God would forgive it is itself the sin of presumption. Ah well! May God be merciful to me, and to us all!​

I like this. Makes me laugh how pro-lifers can make such broad statements and then be unwilling to have a discourse about it.

 

[borntooslow]

Pro-life people will never understand us. Even if they had problems in the past like we all do now, they can't back this feeling at 100% because right now they are happy, and that times just seems for them like a bad dream, nothing more. And their struggle in the past seems for them like something not so horrible, maybe even nostalgically or funny (like "Ahah, I was so stupid that time"). But when you are living in this dream right here right now, and for a pretty long time - this is absolutely different shit.

 

[MEoDP]

The funny thing about this saying is that you could respond with:

"Life is precisely that temporary problem"

anyway,good night to ya'll. I'm about to enjoy the temporary nonexistence that we all do at night.

 

[Ashpac]

I hate that saying. First of all, how do YOU know my problems are temporary compared to my life? These problems I want to escape will be with me for the rest of my life, and some of them will get worse. Second of all, I WANT a permanent solution! Why would I want a temporary one?

Agreed. My problems are permanent these idiots dont know what they are saying. Same mumbo jumbo shit as usual.

What annoys me is when someone says ''Think of the pain youll cause if you kill yourself'' motherfucker even if i die naturally my death is still gonna hurt people. Death is death. Either way its still painful.

 

[raskolnikov]

Pro-life people will never understand us. Even if they had problems in the past like we all do now, they can't back this feeling at 100% because right now they are happy, and that times just seems for them like a bad dream, nothing more. And their struggle in the past seems for them like something not so horrible, maybe even nostalgically or funny (like "Ahah, I was so stupid that time"). But when you are living in this dream right here right now, and for a pretty long time - this is absolutely different shit.

Many people just fake to be happy. They are just as miserable as us all.

 

[midastic]

Any pro-lifer just pisses me off, you don't know whether my problem is temporary or permanent and you sure as hell don't know how long I have been suffering. I avoid talking about anything related to mental illness/CTB to most people in real life because pro lifers get you locked up in a psych ward.

 

[Ashpac]

Any pro-lifer just pisses me off, you don't know whether my problem is temporary or permanent and you sure as hell don't know how long I have been suffering. I avoid talking about anything related to mental illness/CTB to most people in real life because pro lifers get you locked up in a psych ward.

Agreed, and its a quick way to lose friends and have people look down on you. Idiots!

 

[Antonio]

Suicide is a permanent solution to a permanent problem.

 

[Tiburcio]

Agreed, and its a quick way to lose friends and have people look down on you. Idiots!

How many "friends" (if that count as such) I've been lost for pro-lifing...

There is a difference between helping and pro-lifing. All they did the second.

 

[Ashpac]

How many "friends" (if that count as such) I've been lost for pro-lifing...

There is a difference between helping and pro-lifing. All they did the second.

Interesting you say that. Youve got me reflecting on my friends I now dont speak too.

I told them most of my situation and that i didnt want to carry on, not one helped me they all did that pro life bull shit talk on me.

Didnt realise that until now, DAMN!

 

[Tiburcio]

Interesting you say that. Youve got me reflecting on my friends I now dont speak too.

I told them most of my situation and that i didnt want to carry on, not one helped me they all did that pro life bull shit talk on me.

Didnt realise that until now, DAMN!

Did some of your friends menaced with hitting if you tried to kill yourself?

Yeah, definitely the best way of supporting somebody who is broken...

 

[Ashpac]

Did some of your friends menaced with hitting if you tried to kill yourself?

Yeah, definitely the best way of supporting somebody who is broken...

They didnt belittle me, they just didnt understand why i would want to die when you can do so much on earth as they put it.
They tried to lift my spirits, make me laugh, i did appreciate that from them but what i needed was support and someone to say if thats what you want then go for it.

I also think people are scared to say ''Go for it, if thats what you want'' because if other people find out, that person will get judged and the idiot ''sheep'' as I call them will say ''If they die its all on you''

People just love to find ways to put blame on others.

 

[Shay]

just read an article sharing there are hackers on pro suicide websites lurking so they can trace people who announce they are going to CBT so they can alert authorities

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

What i'd answer is " if i wanted a temporary solution i'd do drugs."

 

[midastic]

just read an article sharing there are hackers on pro suicide websites lurking so they can trace people who announce they are going to CBT so they can alert authorities

Can you link the article?

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Can you link the article?

Just don't open files and don't post your phone number and Facebook and you have nothing to fear.

Hacking isn't like in the movies, so i wouldn't worry about sensationalized media articles.

 

[Phro]

just read an article sharing there are hackers on pro suicide websites lurking so they can trace people who announce they are going to CBT so they can alert authorities

If this was indeed true, the worst case scenario isn't that horrible. You get a visit from the police, visit a psych ward for a few days, and get released. From that point forward, you stay radio silent on the site... lurking perhaps but not posting.

But, personally, I doubt there are too many people waiting to "catch" us in the act.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

If this was indeed true, the worst case scenario isn't that horrible. You get a visit from the police, visit a psych ward for a few days, and get released. From that point forward, you stay radio silent on the site... lurking perhaps but not posting.

But, personally, I doubt there are too many people waiting to "catch" us in the act.

There is no way for a "hacker" to know you even if he hacks the whole website unless you have posted your Facebook or phone number in a post or in mp, hacking isn't like in the movies, it doesn't work like that.

Sure, a superhacker who sits on a 0 day exploit may be able to do it, but 0 day exploits are sold in the blackmarket for thousands of dollars, they aren't wasted on obscure suicide forums.

 

[midastic]

Just don't open files and don't post your phone number and Facebook and you have nothing to fear.

Hacking isn't like in the movies, so i wouldn't worry about sensationalized media articles.

True but you could still hack the website itself and insert a malicious javascript which can expose people's ip address just for visiting the website and then they can report those IPs to police. the FBI themselves did that to arrest people for viewing CP.

If this was indeed true, the worst case scenario isn't that horrible. You get a visit from the police, visit a psych ward for a few days, and get released. From that point forward, you stay radio silent on the site... lurking perhaps but not posting.

But, personally, I doubt there are too many people waiting to "catch" us in the act.

Or use TOR whenever visiting this site, I use TOR just to visit this site.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

True but you could still hack the website itself and insert a malicious javascript which can expose people's ip address just for visiting the website and then they can report those IPs to police. the FBI themselves did that to arrest people for viewing CP.



Or use TOR whenever visiting this site, I use TOR just to visit this site.

Child porn and "someone threatening suicide on an obscure forum" aren't the same priority, i think you understand that. You said it yourself "FBI

 

[Shay]

Can you link the article?

I lost it. I was searching pro suicide websites. And it came up

 

[Shay]

here it is
http://www.juniordr.com/the-killer-net-pro-suicide-websites/

 

[midastic]

here it is
http://www.juniordr.com/the-killer-net-pro-suicide-websites/

"One positive case report highlighted in the Psychiatric Bulletin[3] showed how the internet can intervene in potential acts of suicide. It recounted how a woman who had posted a suicide note, and subsequently taken a potentially lethal overdose, was saved after a hacker traced her whereabouts in the UK and alerted the police who broke into her home and took her to hospital."

Most likely this woman didn't use a VPN and the hacker was able to get her IP address and give it away to authorities.