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I think the correct term is "kitchen utensils" or "cooking aids", @autumn dear. And that photo would be a helpful addition to all our SN threads, guides, factsheets and quick reads. Go forth and multiply it, please!
How many leveled table spoons amounts to 25 g SN?
 
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Not only that, but the fact that this "attempt" will probably lead back to this website
 
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It's a heaping tablespoon

A heaped tablespoon has a lot of room for subjective (mis)interpretation, which can be risky for something as crucial as SN. How heaped? Slightly higher than flat? A respectable hill? Or stacked ridiculously high as if you are only allowed one spoon of powdered chocolate milk flavouring and so are going all-out? So it's probably easiest and safest to define the amount of SN in leveled metric teaspoons and/or tablespoons.

But of course buying some cheap digital scales is easy to do and always the most preferable option. It always amazes me when people can order SN online but not do the same with some scales.

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So it's probably easiest and safest to define the amount of SN in leveled metric teaspoons and/or tablespoons.

For someone in the US, we use imperial measuring spoons. And everything has different weight, so there's no such thing as a metric tablespoon, that's what scales are for.

I've been cooking for years, in recipes a heaping tablespoon is just a heaping tablespoon, it's not that pedantic. Even if it's the highest amount you said, that's going to be around the limit of 30g.
 
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For someone in the US, we use imperial measuring spoons. And everything has different weight, so there's no such thing as a metric tablespoon, that's what scales are for.

I've been cooking for years, in recipes a heaping tablespoon is just a heaping tablespoon, it's not that pedantic. Even if it's the highest amount you said, that's going to be around the limit of 30g.

I do realise that everything has a different weight despite the same volume. It will obviously require someone who has previously weighed quantities of SN to tell us approximately how much weight of SN a certain spoon measurement will typically contain. But statements to that effect are already on the forum from experienced users.

And I understand the cooking analogy, but there isn't the life-altering effects of differently-heaped teaspoons with cooking that you get with SN. If a crazily heaped tablespoon (just hypothetically) contained 30g of SN, then a moderately-heaped one could contain 25g and a slightly-above-level one might be 20g. These are significant differences when it comes to something like SN.

But as I said, scales should always be the preferred option. But unfortunately there will always be people who seem unwilling or unable to obtain them, and for those members a measuring spoon amount is probably better than a completely random guess.
 
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But @autumnal, cheap digital scales aren't reliable either. We've seen over and over how people weigh level tablespoons as anywhere from 17 g to 30 g. It's not all the fault of the spoons or the person measuring. My cheap digital scales show different weights depending what part of the counter I put them on, and whether I put the substance in the middle of the scales' "platform" or closer to an edge.

My point (this time!) with the measuring spoons marked with grams was that anyone used to kitchen measuring utensils would not mistake 25 grains for 25 grams. They'd know by looking at it that it wasn't right.

@Eden1505, in terms of measuring spoons, 25 g is one level tablespoon + two level teaspoons. For SN it won't be exact; it's how I plan to measure mine anyway. We each have to figure out what's practical for us.
 
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@Kibblesummer didn't even understand to use measure spoons or weigh grams and mixed the entire bottle of SN in a mug.
Unfortunately, in my eyes, just bcuz you might be over 18, doesn't make you automatically capable.

H/she used a scale, said it was old lcd, didn't pay close enough attn, thought the GN meant grams.
I knew something was up when they said the taste wasn't bad at all. I believe they ultimately ctbd.
 
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in terms of measuring spoons, 25 g is one level tablespoon + two level teaspoons. For SN it won't be exact; it's how I plan to measure mine anyway

I'm curious as to how you came up with this measurement. It's the first time I've seen it on the forum. I have measuring spoons and no scale, so I've always paid attention on the forum to SN measurements. Did you use a scale and then put the SN into measuring spoons?
 
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I'm curious as to how you came up with this measurement. It's the first time I've seen it on the forum. I have measuring spoons and no scale, so I've always paid attention on the forum to SN measurements. Did you use a scale and then put the SN into measuring spoons?

I was just answering @Eden1505's question of how to measure 25 g using measuring spoons, and gave what I consider the standard: A tablespoon is 15g and a teaspoon is 5g, so one of the former + two of the latter = 25g of something. Salt? Sugar? Baking soda? Vanilla extract? Whatever kitchen measuring spoons are calibrated for. As I say, for me that's close enough.

I haven't opened my SN yet. When I do I'll post how much 1T + 2 tsp of my SN weighs on my digital scales.
 
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Everyone is arguing over how much a tablespoon holds, meanwhile this could very well be the dudes last thread. We should show more respect and take the tablespoon thing to another thread...
 
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Everyone is arguing over how much a tablespoon holds, meanwhile this could very well be the dudes last thread. We should show more respect and take the tablespoon thing to another thread...
Agree yes. I contributed to this asking about table spoon capacity. Sorry to the OP, hope you are in peace (L)
 
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Convertunits dot com

Thanks for replying. I checked the link.They use water as the default for what's being measured. No option for SN or anything different. Almost 2 full tablespoons would be too much SN.

I don't mean to be argumentative, I just think it's important to get good information.
 
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Density of SN 2.17 g/cm3 or 2.17x that of water. If finely powdered, slightly less than a tablespoon would be 25g. (Tablespoon holds 15ml of water or half of a fluid ounce)
 
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A tablespoon is not a unit, it is not defined and there are severe differences in spoons, it is useless to use it as a measuring unit, you would probably end up with a tolerance of +- 50 %.
 
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Thanks for replying. I checked the link.They use water as the default for what's being measured. No option for SN or anything different. Almost 2 full tablespoons would be too much SN.

I don't mean to be argumentative, I just think it's important to get good information.
I was actually thinking about that when I posted. Would regular table salt be the closest thing to compare SN to? It sounds like a scale is the best measuring device.
 
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A tablespoon is not a unit, it is not defined and there are severe differences in spoons, it is useless to use it as a measuring unit, you would probably end up with a tolerance of +- 50 %.
A measuring tablespoon not an eating spoon. It is a measurement. And more accurately measured if it's leveled. But i understand your debate on it esp measuring a dry or powder substance, it could be packed down and therefore fit more in the TBSP than If it was loosely gathered.
 
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I was actually thinking about that when I posted. Would regular table salt be the closest thing to compare SN to. It sounds like a scale is the best measuring device.
Quick google search says tablespoon of table salt is 17.06 grams
Quick google search says tablespoon of table salt is 17.06 grams
Judging from that... one and a half tablespoons should equal 25.59 grams
Quick google search says tablespoon of table salt is 17.06 grams

Judging from that... one and a half tablespoons should equal 25.59 grams
One tablespoon equals 3 teaspoons.
Quick google search says tablespoon of table salt is 17.06 grams

Judging from that... one and a half tablespoons should equal 25.59 grams
I don't want to spread misinformation either... sorry
 
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A tablespoon is not a unit, it is not defined and there are severe differences in spoons, it is useless to use it as a measuring unit, you would probably end up with a tolerance of +- 50 %.

Americans use imperial measuring spoons that are exact. This is why I always tell people to use measuring spoons and not eating spoons. Even people from the States don't know the difference if they didn't learn to cook from recipes.
 
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But @autumnal, cheap digital scales aren't reliable either. We've seen over and over how people weigh level tablespoons as anywhere from 17 g to 30 g. It's not all the fault of the spoons or the person measuring. My cheap digital scales show different weights depending what part of the counter I put them on, and whether I put the substance in the middle of the scales' "platform" or closer to an edge.

True, it's always wise to calibrate scales with a known weight, such as a small packaged food item or coin from national currency. Maybe we should make a scales and weighing guide?

My point (this time!) with the measuring spoons marked with grams was that anyone used to kitchen measuring utensils would not mistake 25 grains for 25 grams. They'd know by looking at it that it wasn't right.

True, but a lot of people who don't cook aren't used to kitchen measuring utensils.

A tablespoon is not a unit, it is not defined and there are severe differences in spoons, it is useless to use it as a measuring unit, you would probably end up with a tolerance of +- 50 %.

FYI, a tablespoon can refer to either a general type of spoon (not a unit) or an imperial (USA) or metric (rest of world) tablespoon which is a unit of volume (but not weight).

I was just answering @Eden1505's question of how to measure 25 g using measuring spoons, and gave what I consider the standard: A tablespoon is 15g and a teaspoon is 5g, so one of the former + two of the latter = 25g of something. Salt? Sugar? Baking soda? Vanilla extract? Whatever kitchen measuring spoons are calibrated for. As I say, for me that's close enough.

It is really important to stress once again that metric/imperial volume measurements are measures of volume, not measures of weight. Any unofficial cooking conventions that may exist about a given spoon size approximating a given weight are not reliable for the purposes of SN measurement, where a high degree of accuracy is needed. Kitchen sppons are not 'calibrated' for any measure of weight. The unofficial cooking conventions most likely refer to an average of the weights of the most frequently used non-liquid items in a kitchen (flour/bicarb/salt/sugar perhaps?), where the quantities used are large enough that small variations in weight will not make a significant difference to the taste of the recipe. SN, however, does require a much greater level of precision.

Everyone is arguing over how much a tablespoon holds, meanwhile this could very well be the dudes last thread. We should show more respect and take the tablespoon thing to another thread...

I don't consider it disrespectful for a thread to evolve further along the lines of its original topic, of which measuring errors was a key if not the defining feature. It's a living, relevant forum thread, it's not like scribbling graffiti onto a headstone. Hell, if that member has passed away, their legacy being a better understanding of the importance of measurement accuracy for other current and future members certainly isn't the worst thing imaginable to leave behind.
 
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You might want to actually verify that, as it depends ENTIRELY on the coarseness of the salt. Finely powdered salt would result in a level tbsp of over 32g based on its specific gravity.

Given that SN comes in all manner of Coarseness, then estimates can range from "less than a tbsp" to 1.5 tbsp. If accuracy were actually desired, the guidance would be to pulverize the SNand use slightly less than a tbsp. Any other guidance without knowing grain size is literally guessing and might include 15-35g.
 
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You might want to actually verify that, but it depends ENTIRELY on the coarseness of the salt. Finely powdered salt would result in a level tbsp of over 32g based on its specific gravity.

Given that SN comes in all manner of Coarseness, then estimates can range from "less than a tbsp" to 1.5 tbsp. If accuracy were actually desired, the guidance would be to pulverize the SNand use slightly less than a tbsp. Any other guidance without knowing grain size is literally guessing and might include 15-35g.

How would one pulverize it?
 
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Mortar and pestle is easiest, or with the SN on a glass (preferably) or smooth stone surface and a spoon. Just keep grinding until it is a powder.
 
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the weight of coins is usually available online. Use a £1 to calibrate your digital scale for example. 8.75 grams is 1 one pound coin so 3 x £1 should be the right weight even on inaccurate digital scales. 3 x 8.75g is approximately 25g.

Dollar coin weight

Weigh 3 coins that weigh about 25g. Say the scale reads as 50g for 3 £1 coins. You measure the SN by 50g on the scale.
 
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Damn this thread was something, just read through it. Did OP come back or is people arguing over how much a tablespoon is our last record of OP?
 

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