Venting It's not like I want to die but the job market is shit

[macaroni]

I feel like there's no-one else who would understand this, or let me talk without interrupting like you guys :(

I've lived with my parents for the past three years. I love my parents, they're fantastic and they don't even charge me rent. I buy and prepare my own food, pay my own bills, etc. So it's like just having roommates, where we all do our own thing.

Except we're not. Because my room isn't mine. I have the airing cupboard in my room, so they come in whenever they need to put clothes in there. They always knock and wait for me to answer, so they're not barging in, but still, it feels superficial almost. Like its a constant reminder that this isn't my room, it's theirs and they're just letting me stay here. All my knickknacks, souvenirs from the holiday I took this year, evidence of my hobbies and interests etc. are all packed in boxes and stored under the bed, in the wardrobe, just away from view. Because I can't put any of it out on shelves or on display because my parents' stuff is already there and they won't let me move it. Every time I go to cook in the kitchen, they seem to be there. I hate people being in the room when I cook (i have an eating disorder). Anything I cook can't need to be stored in the fridge or freezer, or use any ingredients that need to be kept in the fridge or the freezer because there is no room for my stuff in there - its packed with my parents' stuff. I ask for some space and they agree but eventually their stuff ends up pushing mine out anyway. I survive on snack foods. My bedroom has become my entire house; my kitchen, my living room, and my bedroom. I feel sufforcated.

I can't get a partner, because I don't want to live with my parents when I'm dating - I want independence. The place I live in has terrible public transport and I can't afford a car, so I'm limited in where I can go. My whole life feels like a standstill.

I need a better job, one that doesn't make me want to kill myself, then I can move out and breathe. Sounds simple, sounds obvious, but no-one will hire me. I have two degrees, so minimium wage jobs won't hire me because I'm overqualified. But the jobs that want degrees won't hire me because I don't have professional experience. I can't get professional experience because they won't hire me. I chose a degree that was so broad (History) I hoped it would qualify me for a lot of jobs. But it turns out no one wants a history degree. You want to be a history teacher? You need an education degree. You want to be a curator? Better get a curating degree. Archeology? Archeology degree, loser. Working in archives? Get an archival degree. There's so many degrees I didn't even know existed.

I've spoken to employment specialists who have looked over my CV, cover letters (which I tailor for each job description with proof of how I fit the skillset), and interview techniques. They laugh and say I've made their job easy, because I'm doing everything right. So why won't they hire me? They just shrug.

The recruitment people won't tell me. "We can't offer feedback, because we have so many applicants." Great, so maybe I'm making some giant mistake everytime and I'll never know. Or maybe its just me. I've done everything right - I went to reputable universities, got high marks in my degrees, aced every quality assignments my minimum wage jobs offer, adapt quickly to everything, have never been involved in crime. I don't drink, or smoke, or do drugs. I interview well, use the STAR method and fantastic real-life examples and I don't stutter over my words. I'm a perfect fucking candidate so what is it about me that's so repulsive? I don't know. They can't tell me. Too many applicants.

There's a job I just applied to. They've told us that it'll take months before the job would actually start. By my estimates, there's about 1000 other candidates. I'm perfect for the role. It's in a city I would love to move to, because the rent is affordable. I want this job so badly. And its not like my dream job, it's just a job that could give me everything. But if I don't get it, I don't think I can carry on. Writing all these cover letters, applying to all these jobs and being ghosted or - if you're lucky - receive a rejection email that says they can't tell you why they rejected you.

I'm tired. I want to live. I want my own place, my own independence. I'm not asking for the lottery. I'm not even asking to fucking buy a house, because I know I'll never be able to do that. I want to rent a place.

Why does no job want me?

 

[heldbyone]

this hits hard ,im currently jobless with bachelor in STEM i was one of top students on hs and uni ,i have many training an volunteer experiences but no jobs ,plus my previous jobs all got toll of my mental illness and i spent all my salary on medications to stay sane ,plus job market is inhuman u have to accept being a slave and submit to everyone..

 

[U. A.]

yeesh. i feel this. i did have my own room temporarily among family but the place was so full of stuff i had half of my life in my closet/under the bed, and the other half in a garage...and that was stressful enough.

the over-hyper-specialization of everything and the tertiary education complex has got completely out of fucking hand. after living and working abroad for years, when i finally was at the point of coming out of my haze of a destroyed life, i knew it was a bad sign when in order to be a librarian you need a fucking master's now.

get fucking real! you put books on shelves!! (yes i know major modern library networks are fairly complex but absolutely not to the extent of needing a goddamn degree)

no one wants to train on the job anymore, no one wants to do the same job indefinitely now because employers treat employees like shit - so they leave. everyone is trying to just pay their goddamn rent and eat and it all becomes so cutthroat but at the end of the day, as fucking usual, it's gov't not creating the conditions for sustainability (in fact most are doing very much the opposite).

i'm wondering if you're in a certain country i once visited where if the higher tier of degree one had, the higher your base salary for all jobs had to be, even if you worked the same job (PhD in theoretical physics gets paid more for bagging groceries than the 18-year old HS grad). like cool, good idea in theory but in practice, if your field dies (*cough* AI *cough*) no one will fucking hire you ever.

 

[macaroni]

i'm wondering if you're in a certain country i once visited where if the higher tier of degree one had, the higher your base salary for all jobs had to be, even if you worked the same job (PhD in theoretical physics gets paid more for bagging groceries than the 18-year old HS grad). like cool, good idea in theory but in practice, if your field dies (*cough* AI *cough*) no one will fucking hire you ever.

Probably not, I'm in the UK and work in a call centre. I'm 27 with an undergraduate degree and a master's degree, but get paid the same as the 18 year olds fresh out of college

no one wants to train on the job anymore, no one wants to do the same job indefinitely now because employers treat employees like shit

so true. companies are always complaining there's no loyalty anymore but you have to actually treat people well if you want loyalty. maybe take a chance on someone and train them, make sure they have what they need, give them opportunities for progression, and they'll stay loyal. But 10+ years experience means "we want someone we can throw in the deep end and then complain if you drown despite our work conditions being completely hostile"

 

[fatty44]

I feel this a lot. I really like your writing style by the way, it reads very well.

I wish you the best.

 

[Leonszabs]

I feel like there's no-one else who would understand this, or let me talk without interrupting like you guys :(

I've lived with my parents for the past three years. I love my parents, they're fantastic and they don't even charge me rent. I buy and prepare my own food, pay my own bills, etc. So it's like just having roommates, where we all do our own thing.

Except we're not. Because my room isn't mine. I have the airing cupboard in my room, so they come in whenever they need to put clothes in there. They always knock and wait for me to answer, so they're not barging in, but still, it feels superficial almost. Like its a constant reminder that this isn't my room, it's theirs and they're just letting me stay here. All my knickknacks, souvenirs from the holiday I took this year, evidence of my hobbies and interests etc. are all packed in boxes and stored under the bed, in the wardrobe, just away from view. Because I can't put any of it out on shelves or on display because my parents' stuff is already there and they won't let me move it. Every time I go to cook in the kitchen, they seem to be there. I hate people being in the room when I cook (i have an eating disorder). Anything I cook can't need to be stored in the fridge or freezer, or use any ingredients that need to be kept in the fridge or the freezer because there is no room for my stuff in there - its packed with my parents' stuff. I ask for some space and they agree but eventually their stuff ends up pushing mine out anyway. I survive on snack foods. My bedroom has become my entire house; my kitchen, my living room, and my bedroom. I feel sufforcated.

I can't get a partner, because I don't want to live with my parents when I'm dating - I want independence. The place I live in has terrible public transport and I can't afford a car, so I'm limited in where I can go. My whole life feels like a standstill.

I need a better job, one that doesn't make me want to kill myself, then I can move out and breathe. Sounds simple, sounds obvious, but no-one will hire me. I have two degrees, so minimium wage jobs won't hire me because I'm overqualified. But the jobs that want degrees won't hire me because I don't have professional experience. I can't get professional experience because they won't hire me. I chose a degree that was so broad (History) I hoped it would qualify me for a lot of jobs. But it turns out no one wants a history degree. You want to be a history teacher? You need an education degree. You want to be a curator? Better get a curating degree. Archeology? Archeology degree, loser. Working in archives? Get an archival degree. There's so many degrees I didn't even know existed.

I've spoken to employment specialists who have looked over my CV, cover letters (which I tailor for each job description with proof of how I fit the skillset), and interview techniques. They laugh and say I've made their job easy, because I'm doing everything right. So why won't they hire me? They just shrug.

The recruitment people won't tell me. "We can't offer feedback, because we have so many applicants." Great, so maybe I'm making some giant mistake everytime and I'll never know. Or maybe its just me. I've done everything right - I went to reputable universities, got high marks in my degrees, aced every quality assignments my minimum wage jobs offer, adapt quickly to everything, have never been involved in crime. I don't drink, or smoke, or do drugs. I interview well, use the STAR method and fantastic real-life examples and I don't stutter over my words. I'm a perfect fucking candidate so what is it about me that's so repulsive? I don't know. They can't tell me. Too many applicants.

There's a job I just applied to. They've told us that it'll take months before the job would actually start. By my estimates, there's about 1000 other candidates. I'm perfect for the role. It's in a city I would love to move to, because the rent is affordable. I want this job so badly. And its not like my dream job, it's just a job that could give me everything. But if I don't get it, I don't think I can carry on. Writing all these cover letters, applying to all these jobs and being ghosted or - if you're lucky - receive a rejection email that says they can't tell you why they rejected you.

I'm tired. I want to live. I want my own place, my own independence. I'm not asking for the lottery. I'm not even asking to fucking buy a house, because I know I'll never be able to do that. I want to rent a place.

Why does no job want me?

Lord, I understand completely. I literally had job interviews back-to-back and got denied for every single one. I have a job interview Monday, which I am excited for, but I am also feeling sad about the possibility of being rejected. I want money so bad and seeing my friends all go out and do shit makes me feel jealous. It is literally so stupid, there are so many companies acting like they are desperate for workers yet clearly aren't when they reject so many applicants. I'm sending you good vibes, I really want all of us to succeed in finding jobs. It isn't our fault that the job market is so ass right now. I also have an associate's degree, and I am currently getting my bachelors. It is hard for everyone right now, so don't take it personal, you're doing everything you can.

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

I so feel this. 2 years of unemployment for me. I feel continually humiliated by it all.

 

[usernamesarehard]

I'm sorry you're going through this.

I have a job, but want to ctb for similar reasons (well, in addition to some other issues). My job's good, but it's in a dangerous city and this place really fucking sucks. Anywhere relatively close to here (<1hr away) is ridiculously expensive. Unless you want to live somewhere that's even more dangerous than the city.

I want to leave the city so badly. I applied to tons of jobs outside of here before I got my job here. I've recently been applying again, but I don't think I'm getting any of those.

It's pretty discouraging to not be able to find something better, but I'm sure having your life on pause because of factors outside of your control is worse.

If I can't get anything before next year I might ctb. Not being able to leave a city I hate sucks. And all the memories of things my ex and I did here are wearing on me.

 

[macaroni]

I have a job interview Monday, which I am excited for, but I am also feeling sad about the possibility of being rejected.

How did it go?

 

[Leonszabs]

How did it go?

It actually went well! I should know if I got the job by Friday :) Thank you for asking

 

[VioletWitch]

Yeah, I lost my job because of downsizing 2 years ago, and since then I've only gotten a couple of first interviews, nothing that went anywhere. I've gotten evicted, I'm living in a house that isn't really habitable but it's better than living on the street, but it's going to get torn down. My life just keeps getting worse and worse, even tho I am doing all the things you're supposed to do.

 

[whywere]

I am 69 and I mention this ONLY as I think back to the 1970's. It has, unfortunately, at least in my viewpoint gotten much worse in the spread between the haves and the have not's.

Take my summer job that I had in college from the summer of 1981 till 1985. I start out at $15 (USD), YES, the same amount here in the U.S. that I have seen positions listed for NOW.

Food and especially housing is through the roof, sorry for the pun, and I find it so 100% WRONG!

One looks at financial pages and so and so is getting a HUGE bonus because the company did so well? REALLY? It takes EVERYONE NOT just someone sitting in a corner office to make a company run and make money to get a head.

Like in sci-fi shows and movies where humans have advanced and money means nothing, everyone works to make it better for EVERYONE.

At my age nope, will not see it, but I hope and pray that somewhere down the road it comes to fruition.

When I got laid off in June 2020 and started looking for a new position, I ran into 2 aspects head on.!, I was "too old" for the position, and yes, I had interviewers tell me that to my face and #2, they thought that it was a miracle to be offering $15 to $20 per hour. Thank heavens I had a lot of money saved up and could ride it out till I found what I wanted.

When I have hired folks, one of the 1st things I always say is: "would you like it done to you?", no matter if it is about personal matters or money or anything.

Would a CEO like $15 per hour?

I always laugh when I run into an egotistical jerk who says" "I am in executive". I always shoot back with this: "well what does that mean?" A lot of the times I get not a blank look BUT an angry look, gee really???!!!

We ALL work TOGETHER so that the human race evolves and is NOT like the dinosaurs.

Walter

 

[chasingsarcasm]

wow, change the field and it's like I wrote this.
what do you want to do about it?
I'm debating if I should get a masters degree or ctb, both are equally unappealing and appealing. the state of my country's government is so dismal I don't even want to try to survive anymore. And I can't afford to leave so, here I am.

 

[DirtCommie]

I feel like there's no-one else who would understand this, or let me talk without interrupting like you guys :(

I've lived with my parents for the past three years. I love my parents, they're fantastic and they don't even charge me rent. I buy and prepare my own food, pay my own bills, etc. So it's like just having roommates, where we all do our own thing.

Except we're not. Because my room isn't mine. I have the airing cupboard in my room, so they come in whenever they need to put clothes in there. They always knock and wait for me to answer, so they're not barging in, but still, it feels superficial almost. Like its a constant reminder that this isn't my room, it's theirs and they're just letting me stay here. All my knickknacks, souvenirs from the holiday I took this year, evidence of my hobbies and interests etc. are all packed in boxes and stored under the bed, in the wardrobe, just away from view. Because I can't put any of it out on shelves or on display because my parents' stuff is already there and they won't let me move it. Every time I go to cook in the kitchen, they seem to be there. I hate people being in the room when I cook (i have an eating disorder). Anything I cook can't need to be stored in the fridge or freezer, or use any ingredients that need to be kept in the fridge or the freezer because there is no room for my stuff in there - its packed with my parents' stuff. I ask for some space and they agree but eventually their stuff ends up pushing mine out anyway. I survive on snack foods. My bedroom has become my entire house; my kitchen, my living room, and my bedroom. I feel sufforcated.

I can't get a partner, because I don't want to live with my parents when I'm dating - I want independence. The place I live in has terrible public transport and I can't afford a car, so I'm limited in where I can go. My whole life feels like a standstill.

I need a better job, one that doesn't make me want to kill myself, then I can move out and breathe. Sounds simple, sounds obvious, but no-one will hire me. I have two degrees, so minimium wage jobs won't hire me because I'm overqualified. But the jobs that want degrees won't hire me because I don't have professional experience. I can't get professional experience because they won't hire me. I chose a degree that was so broad (History) I hoped it would qualify me for a lot of jobs. But it turns out no one wants a history degree. You want to be a history teacher? You need an education degree. You want to be a curator? Better get a curating degree. Archeology? Archeology degree, loser. Working in archives? Get an archival degree. There's so many degrees I didn't even know existed.

I've spoken to employment specialists who have looked over my CV, cover letters (which I tailor for each job description with proof of how I fit the skillset), and interview techniques. They laugh and say I've made their job easy, because I'm doing everything right. So why won't they hire me? They just shrug.

The recruitment people won't tell me. "We can't offer feedback, because we have so many applicants." Great, so maybe I'm making some giant mistake everytime and I'll never know. Or maybe its just me. I've done everything right - I went to reputable universities, got high marks in my degrees, aced every quality assignments my minimum wage jobs offer, adapt quickly to everything, have never been involved in crime. I don't drink, or smoke, or do drugs. I interview well, use the STAR method and fantastic real-life examples and I don't stutter over my words. I'm a perfect fucking candidate so what is it about me that's so repulsive? I don't know. They can't tell me. Too many applicants.

There's a job I just applied to. They've told us that it'll take months before the job would actually start. By my estimates, there's about 1000 other candidates. I'm perfect for the role. It's in a city I would love to move to, because the rent is affordable. I want this job so badly. And its not like my dream job, it's just a job that could give me everything. But if I don't get it, I don't think I can carry on. Writing all these cover letters, applying to all these jobs and being ghosted or - if you're lucky - receive a rejection email that says they can't tell you why they rejected you.

I'm tired. I want to live. I want my own place, my own independence. I'm not asking for the lottery. I'm not even asking to fucking buy a house, because I know I'll never be able to do that. I want to rent a place.

Why does no job want me?

Indeed. Housing is a human right. All law obeying, tax paying adults of peaceful will deserve their own place to live in their municipality.

If you took every human alive RIGHT NOW and put them shoulder to shoulder they would in an square area the size of the city of los angeles in california usa . So never mever never let anyone lie to you and tell you 'hOusInNG IsNt A hUmAn RiGhT' or 'ThErE IsNt eNouGh SpaCe fOr Us To AlLLiVe OnHrgh!' its all lies.

WOrking and aiding the people of your municipality AUTOMATICALLY gives you the right to land and a home in that municipality. The ones who make our societies run , MUST be the ones who run our societies.

I am 69 and I mention this ONLY as I think back to the 1970's. It has, unfortunately, at least in my viewpoint gotten much worse in the spread between the haves and the have not's.

Take my summer job that I had in college from the summer of 1981 till 1985. I start out at $15 (USD), YES, the same amount here in the U.S. that I have seen positions listed for NOW.

Food and especially housing is through the roof, sorry for the pun, and I find it so 100% WRONG!

One looks at financial pages and so and so is getting a HUGE bonus because the company did so well? REALLY? It takes EVERYONE NOT just someone sitting in a corner office to make a company run and make money to get a head.

Like in sci-fi shows and movies where humans have advanced and money means nothing, everyone works to make it better for EVERYONE.

At my age nope, will not see it, but I hope and pray that somewhere down the road it comes to fruition.

When I got laid off in June 2020 and started looking for a new position, I ran into 2 aspects head on.!, I was "too old" for the position, and yes, I had interviewers tell me that to my face and #2, they thought that it was a miracle to be offering $15 to $20 per hour. Thank heavens I had a lot of money saved up and could ride it out till I found what I wanted.

When I have hired folks, one of the 1st things I always say is: "would you like it done to you?", no matter if it is about personal matters or money or anything.

Would a CEO like $15 per hour?

I always laugh when I run into an egotistical jerk who says" "I am in executive". I always shoot back with this: "well what does that mean?" A lot of the times I get not a blank look BUT an angry look, gee really???!!!

We ALL work TOGETHER so that the human race evolves and is NOT like the dinosaurs.

Walter

Indeed the ones who collectively make society run, should be the ones running society. A random ceo or executive sitting in their office may do a few things here and there and tell some people to do this or that kr they migjt attempt to initiate a merger here or there...but it is the people who are standing up and walking and cleaning like the busboys , cooking like the chefs, serving like the servers, teaching lile the servers or chefs who are teaching new hires, who are the ones that make things REALLY run in a restaurant. Or even in a company. So why do these same people not play the leading role in determining how much each person is paid or how many hours each person gets? WHy is this such an illegal concept to talk about and implement? It .Just.Makes.Sense. Its common sense at this point....or well it SHOULD BE common sense...

 

[mirror_mercury]

i didn't know that anime could help me get a job

but apparently it did

i just needed to keep studying, studying, and then apply myself

 

[Galam]

I am 30 now and never had any job, they don't want me and after some research I don't want to be with them either. Many jobs are build on abusing vulnerable people and animals and generate a unfair hierarchy where the cruelest fittest are at the top and empathic vulnerable people are below them. This is natural but not human imo.

I could not create something better.

I read Solanas, this woman was also never a part of normal society and she wrote in her manifest:

"There's no reason why a society consisting of rational beings capable of empathizing with each other, complete and having no natural reason to compete, should have a government, laws or leaders."

Many normal people and esp. women don't think so. I saw many women in my life, All of them more than less chauvinists and supportiv of capitalism. They can compete and they want to. They don't care about women that don't fit in, they see me and other outcasts as a loser, ugly, dangerous, illness. Some have pity, many don't want you to be alive.

And when you are a pig and even other pigs dislike you, you cannot jump to the wolves and also not to the farmer because he doesn't care about your feelings.

I wear the fur of a wolf and the clothes of a farmer to feel a little better with myself. You have the whole world against you with this.

 

[chasingsarcasm]

I am 30 now and never had any job, they don't want me and after some research I don't want to be with them either. Many jobs are build on abusing vulnerable people and animals and generate a unfair hierarchy where the cruelest fittest are at the top and empathic vulnerable people are below them. This is natural but not human imo.

I could not create something better.

I read Solanas, this woman was also never a part of normal society and she wrote in her manifest:

"There's no reason why a society consisting of rational beings capable of empathizing with each other, complete and having no natural reason to compete, should have a government, laws or leaders."

Many normal people and esp. women don't think so. I saw many women in my life, All of them more than less chauvinists and supportiv of capitalism. They can compete and they want to. They don't care about women that don't fit in, they see me and other outcasts as a loser, ugly, dangerous, illness. Some have pity, many don't want you to be alive.

And when you are a pig and even other pigs dislike you, you cannot jump to the wolves and also not to the farmer because he doesn't care about your feelings.

I wear the fur of a wolf and the clothes of a farmer to feel a little better with myself. You have the whole world against you with this.

There's something to this... except I found that it's not that you have to be "ugly" because in my experience the outcasts were better looking than the bullies (also smarter). But the bullies all have a cookie cutter image they follow. They all want to fit this same mold from the way they style themselves, to the partner they choose, to the way their own life looks. Anyone who doesn't fit that or doesn't want to fit that is rocking the boat and breaking their reality. They can't comprehend anyone who doesn't want to shape themselves to the mainstream narrative. (It may not be mainstream nationally but it's usually mainstream regionally.)

I quit my last job in July after being there a month because a group of these grown ass women harassed me so bad I was literally afraid for my safety. They would go into my office after I left for the day and destroy my items, they went through clients' documents, kept me from seeing clients, and made it impossible for me to do my job. I have experienced workplace bullying from other women but never outright hostility. I have experience working in some rough places, dealing with some scary people. I've been stalked and followed home. I've had people graffiti my car. I've had fights with customers both physical and otherwise. I have had sketchy ass jobs where I worked in some skeezy places as the only woman in a building full of men who were all supposed felons. Never once did I feel threatened or terrorized or even mildly uncomfortable by any of those male coworkers. The only time I have ever felt threatened by a coworker has ever been from the actions of another woman. And this last job was actually the worst. I'd take getting food thrown at me through a drive thru window any day over the last month I dealt with those cunts.

Women are fucking crazy. I say this as a woman. But fuck me if I say the quiet part out loud, then I'm being a "pick me".