Perhaps if one is among the ruling class life is worth living, but even then there is still a very dark side in that arena (backstabbing, false friends, some say there exists Satan worshipping as a means of mainting their status in society) Then again I do recall a few moments as a teen when life was care-free and great - something about being in one's youth before reality crushes one's dreams. Makes me wish I went out like British poet Thomas Chatterton who died at age 17.
You may be confused to what I am saying. There is a difference between "lives worth starting" and "lives worth living". I am saying that there is no life worth starting. I don't focus on the existing because I believe the existing people are a hopeless case as the damage has already been done (i.e. the wound has already been created and the only thing one can do is bandage it). The best would be if there was no wound to begin with.
I agree, it's better to never have been born for sure. I'm also doing the right thing, being an anti-natalist and never breeding. I've already mentioned that I got a vasectomy 12 years ago and I'm childfree. It's good to see so many people here thinking in a similar way and not breeding, while irl I'm surrounded with mindless breeders. I'm the only adult member of my toxic "family" who hasn't and will never breed.
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Thank you for being an antinatalist and for having a vasectomy. I had a vasectomy at the age of 21 -- best decision ever.
Vhemt movement only focuses on making humans go extinct. Humans are a small part of the problem. Animals should go extinct as well because animals feel pain too.
I can relate to this. I feel that if I commit suicide my family won't be able to handle it.
I don't feel resentment to my parents though, I think they did the best they could to survive life. Unfortunately having kids was part of it. I don't think they were ill-intentioned.
I've read once that having kids is, at the end of the day, a selfish act, since you are practically imposing life on them for your benefit or satisfaction. Can we know for sure whether life will be beneficial and satisfactory for them? I know for me, it's not.
But again, as selfish as it might have been, I don't blame them for being caught on the inertia of human existence, if it wasn't for it we wouldn't have made it this far as a species I guess...
This is interesting. Sometimes I think about how, even in the most altruistic and generous of acts, we are just satisfying our personal principles by which we live. It's awfully cynic, but I can't help to think it might just be true.
I like this quote.
I don't feel resentment towards my parents as well because they didn't do it intentionally. They did it out of ignorance and also because they were brainwashed by society. I feel sorry for them.
It is a fact that parents procreate for selfish reasons. It can never be for the interest of the unborn child because the unborn child has no interests/desires/needs.
I'd say that we can know for sure that life will not be beneficial for the potential child. We can know this because of the facts available to us. Facts such as pains always lasting longer than pleasures (there is chronic pain but no chronic pleasure). Another fact: the worst pains are worse than the best pleasures are good. Another fact: pleasures are only needed for people that exist. Every pleasure is just a pain killer. It is only beneficial if one is in pain. (e.g. pain = hunger. Pleasure = eating food to not be hungry). An unborn child does not experience pain which is good. An unborn child cannot be deprived of pleasures. An unborn child doesn't need pleasures. Another fact: Only an existing person can be deprived of something.
Humans have not made it anywhere as a species. They have done more bad than good. They have created more problems than they have solved. Just a complete waste.
It was my fault I was born,When I was in my mom's womb,they were trying to abort me..Doctors said I was strong and held on...only to have a shitty life ahead of me...So being born was my choice I guess..but at the same time dying would be the best decision I will have to make..I tried last 5th but I only passed out for a couple of hours and well hello here I am..and im hating every moment of it.
Being born was not your choice because only an existing person can make choices. Before you were born, you didn't exist thus you couldn't choose anything. It is not your fault. When you were in your mom's womb, you were not fully developed yet thus you had no knowledge of things and just reacted to biological impulses. Don't blame yourself <3
Completely ironic how people call suicide "selfish". The pure fact of having a child in the first place doesn't get much more selfish, by definition.
Exactly.
