it will always be better to never exist than be alive

[Darkover]

why the hell are we even doing this
this place has to be the shitest place that ever existed a living hell
the possibilities are shit this unverise is no where near good enough for me
whats the point of existing when everything you've wanted is a dream away
death comes for us in no time at all here
a good could never be a good if its based on a evil meaning no matter
what good comes of this world it will always be based on a evil
this world is terrible where everything has to kill and eat or be eaten
just the vast shitness of space and time nobody knows where we are
this isn't a place to make a home or even to live its just a fucking death trap
what a shitty horrible terrible place to be alive
it's depressing knowing that lifes going to be trapped here for all time
i've concluded from my time alive here it will always be better to never exist at all,
life just leads to misery and disappointment
this place is depressing knowing i'll never be able to do the things i dream of
i could be free right now if it wasn't for this repressive environment
this environment is very restrictive and repressive
our imagination will always be better than this shithole
there would be no point in living out our misery somewhere yet here we are doing exactly that
societies the main problem always has been always will be
we would all just pack our bags and leave given the choice
i wish there was something i could put my faith into but there's not just a shitty
horrible universe and my invitable demise

 

[jodes2]

Life certainly can be fucking shit. We just have to use our imaginations and willpower to create a better world for ourselves. Conquer the negative thoughts that plague us. It would be nice to leave our troubles behind. But there are often multiple ways of doing that. CTB might often be rational, but often it's the more destructive of options. I'm sorry you're suffering hon, I hope you try to work things out and find the light at the end of the tunnel

 

[FuneralCry]

It's very true that it's always preferable to never exist at all, as having the ability to exist certainly is a curse. The existence of life is a tragedy and life in itself is something so harmful as it's the true cause of all torment. This world with all it's meaningless and unnecessary suffering certainly is hell and there are no amount of words that can describe how much I despise existing here. At least for me the only relief could ever lie in the thought of permanent non existence.

 

[SamTam33]

I like the way someone put it in one of the other threads, "What gave [our parents] the right to wake the non-existent?"

They woke us from a perfectly blissful non-existence and expelled us into a never-ending cycle of neediness.

There's a reason we come into this world screaming our lungs out. We're preparing for the struggle to commence.

And from the moment an infant pops out, they start wailing because they need to be warm, they need to be fed, they need to be changed, they need to be burped.

And the needs never stop piling up.

You could use all the words ever invented, from all the languages ever uttered - and you would never convince me that existance is a desirable condition.

We exist not because we longed for it, but because someone woke us up and squirted us out.

 

[Rob1984]

I like the way someone put it in one of the other threads, "What gave [our parents] the right to wake the non-existent?"

Can't you say the same for them and their parents (your grandparents)? And the same for your grandparents and your great-grandparents? ad infinitum...

I just don't understand the point of this statement since it applies to every single human that has ever existed, which results in cancelling itself out.

 

[Viranamari]

I agree with you. It would have been much easier to simply never exist than CTB. You wouldn't have to go through the suffering you are in right now and go through so much trouble just to CTB.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Can't you say the same for them and their parents (your grandparents)? And the same for your grandparents and your great-grandparents? ad infinitum...

I just don't understand the point of this statement since it applies to every single human that has ever existed, which results in cancelling itself out.

But you'd kind of hope that having experienced life's difficulties themselves- which I'm sure a lot of parents do- they woud give VERY long and serious thought before bringing a new life here. I mean- maybe some do but I think at least some of the time- people are basically just careless. Either physically- ie. they were just horny and didn't bother with protection. Or mentally- they're just blindly going with their biological need to reproduce or societies/family norms to have children. Some I expect even do it to try and make themselves feel better- something to need them utterly and love them.

Not to say I hate people who have children- or that some people will give their children great lives. Not that some don't put a lot of thought into it but still think they can give that child a fighting chance in this world. It's just one HELL of a risk though.

I think it is actually fair to say what @SamTam33 said- seeing as we are sentient. We DO realise all the difficulties that come with being alive. Of course- some people have a very different experience of life- no matter the struggle- they enjoy it immensely. For them- I suppose they're not even going to question whether it would be a good thing- for them- it IS a precious gift- why wouldn't they want to pass it on?

SO many people are struggling though- and some of the struggles are horrific- people are literally starving- yet- still reproducing. Is it REALLY a good enough 'excuse' to say- it's natural? (How 'natural' are we at the end of the day?) That the child MIGHT have a good life (probably not if they are starving or ill.) They are just doing what their parents and grandparents did- we're NOT just running on instinct though- and we ARE starting to question all sorts of societal norms. Our lives ARE very different to our ancestors.

Of course- it still has to be up to individuals but I suppose I hate how 'trivial' it sometimes seems to be. There's nothing trivial about bringing an independant being into this world with even the slightest possibility that they will have to endure years of suffering before they have to take the risk of inflicting violence on themselves to free themselves of it. What REALLY justifies that?

 

[SamTam33]

Can't you say the same for them and their parents (your grandparents)? And the same for your grandparents and your great-grandparents? ad infinitum...

I just don't understand the point of this statement since it applies to every single human that has ever existed, which results in cancelling itself out.

So because it applies to everyone... you don't understand it?

(Seems like that would make it easier to comprehend and not harder).

But you'd kind of hope that having experienced life's difficulties themselves- which I'm sure a lot of parents do- they woud give VERY long and serious thought before bringing a new life here...I think it is actually fair to say what @SamTam33 said- seeing as we are sentient... We DO realise all the difficulties that come with being alive... Is it REALLY a good enough 'excuse' to say- it's natural?

It's not good enough at all. But it's amazing how often we use similar excuses to justify behaviors we don't put any thought into.

Think about the other way parents use that excuse (particularly abusive and neglectful ones).

They say stuff like "Well my parents didn't show me any love so I didn't have an example of how to show my kids love..."

That's complete and utter bullshit.

Did you not see any examples of love on TV or in movies or at your friend's house? Never encountered teachers or professors who cared? Not a single example?

Did you like the way it felt when your parents ignored you? Could you not deduce how you WANTED your parents to treat you? Could you not try that with your own kids?

Utter bullshit.

If you grew up without enough to eat, can you use that as justification to not feed YOUR children?

Do you actually need an example of how to feed someone before you can do it?

Basic needs like providing food, shelter and love don't need to be taught. Maybe you take a breastfeeding class to learn a new technique - but you instinctually know that a baby needs to be fed.

You know your kids need to be loved. And perhaps you didn't provide any because it's who you are.

If your parents neglected you, maybe you inherited their asshole gene.

Stop with the excuses of procreating because it's "natural" or not having examples or the worst excuse of all -"We did the best we could."

Nah. Doing your best implies that you weighed the pros and cons of the options that were available to you. Then you picked the one with the highest reward.

That is NOT what most parents do. Chances are they did what came easiest to them. Big difference between doing your best and doing what came easiest.

I went on a tangent lol, but what else is new.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

This thread brings a song of Marlene Dietrich in my mind:

No one had asked us, when we were still faceless
whether we'd like to live or rather not
Now I'm wandering around alone in a large city,
and I don't know if she's in love with me
I'm looking into living rooms through doors and windows,
and I'm waiting and waiting for something

If I could wish for something
I'd feel awkward
What should I wish for,
a bad or a good time

If I could wish for something
I'd want to be only a bit happy
because if I were too happy
I'd long for being sad

 

[Lonerzepam]

why the hell are we even doing this
this place has to be the shitest place that ever existed a living hell
the possibilities are shit this unverise is no where near good enough for me
whats the point of existing when everything you've wanted is a dream away
death comes for us in no time at all here
a good could never be a good if its based on a evil meaning no matter
what good comes of this world it will always be based on a evil
this world is terrible where everything has to kill and eat or be eaten
just the vast shitness of space and time nobody knows where we are
this isn't a place to make a home or even to live its just a fucking death trap
what a shitty horrible terrible place to be alive
it's depressing knowing that lifes going to be trapped here for all time
i've concluded from my time alive here it will always be better to never exist at all,
life just leads to misery and disappointment
this place is depressing knowing i'll never be able to do the things i dream of
i could be free right now if it wasn't for this repressive environment
this environment is very restrictive and repressive
our imagination will always be better than this shithole
there would be no point in living out our misery somewhere yet here we are doing exactly that
societies the main problem always has been always will be
we would all just pack our bags and leave given the choice
i wish there was something i could put my faith into but there's not just a shitty
horrible universe and my invitable demise

Homie I have tears in my eyes reading this. I'm in a very bad spot in my life too. Maybe you know from some of my posts... And I don't wanna go on neither. But I still try nonetheless. But not to only to eventually recover. Also to make the most of life while I'm still here. So far I lived my life without following any rules regarding society, law etc. And I'm not planning on changing that. I still have a few things I actually really wanna try before I actually decide to go f.e. paying with fake bills. I'm not preaching pro life shit here just my current mindset. But I'll of course always have my method ready and available:

I'll go with SN sooner or later. I have other options too like H OD but it's just too risky. I already almost have all the ingredients together. Benzes (Lora, Alpra, Clona), Painkillers, Milk of magnesia atm. I also already had my sn but my brother took it so I ordered again today. Getting meto and prop is also not a big deal for me.

But this post isn't about me...

You can do whatever you want man. But consider doing things you never did before like me just to get the most out of life while you're still here. Yesterday I shoplifted for like 150€ lol. Those things give me a thrill and a bit of joy. And I'll always have my method if things go out very bad...maybe try bungiie jumping or smt like that. It's legal and you'll feel a heel of a thrill and alive while doing so. If something goes wrong and the rope f.e. cuts through you're most likely be dead anyways and won't have to worry about anything anymore.

Maybe I'm also just talking nonsense idk I'll stop here.

Best wishes man

 

[itsallpointless]

Can't agree more. Existence is just a waste of time and I hate that people would actually bring life into this terrible world.

 

[Rob1984]

So because it applies to everyone... you don't understand it?

(Seems like that would make it easier to comprehend and not harder).

Oh no, I fully understand the statement. What I said in my comment is I don't understand the point of the statement, since it is not a prerogative (yet the statement makes it seem so).

But you'd kind of hope that having experienced life's difficulties themselves- which I'm sure a lot of parents do- they woud give VERY long and serious thought before bringing a new life here. I mean- maybe some do but I think at least some of the time- people are basically just careless. Either physically- ie. they were just horny and didn't bother with protection. Or mentally- they're just blindly going with their biological need to reproduce or societies/family norms to have children. Some I expect even do it to try and make themselves feel better- something to need them utterly and love them.

Not to say I hate people who have children- or that some people will give their children great lives. Not that some don't put a lot of thought into it but still think they can give that child a fighting chance in this world. It's just one HELL of a risk though.

I think it is actually fair to say what @SamTam33 said- seeing as we are sentient. We DO realise all the difficulties that come with being alive. Of course- some people have a very different experience of life- no matter the struggle- they enjoy it immensely. For them- I suppose they're not even going to question whether it would be a good thing- for them- it IS a precious gift- why wouldn't they want to pass it on?

SO many people are struggling though- and some of the struggles are horrific- people are literally starving- yet- still reproducing. Is it REALLY a good enough 'excuse' to say- it's natural? (How 'natural' are we at the end of the day?) That the child MIGHT have a good life (probably not if they are starving or ill.) They are just doing what their parents and grandparents did- we're NOT just running on instinct though- and we ARE starting to question all sorts of societal norms. Our lives ARE very different to our ancestors.

Of course- it still has to be up to individuals but I suppose I hate how 'trivial' it sometimes seems to be. There's nothing trivial about bringing an independant being into this world with even the slightest possibility that they will have to endure years of suffering before they have to take the risk of inflicting violence on themselves to free themselves of it. What REALLY justifies that?

I agree that a lot of parents don't consider the magnitude of bringing a child into the world. Arguably most parents don't truly think too deeply about it and whether they are up to the task of raising a child in a healthy environment. I suspect the negligence is a result of societal expectations, along with how easy it is to conceive a child; starting a family is part of the cookie cutter path of life after all. When an adult says they don't want children, they are almost always scrutinized, whereas an adult who says they plan on having a child doesn't get any suspicious looks. It's a shame how many unfit parents cannot recognize they are not suited for having a child. But having an adult prove that they are fit for parenting (like we do for getting a drivers license for example) would be incredibly complicated, and many would argue unethical. It's actually a really interesting topic- whether adults should have thorough examinations before having a child.

I know a lot of people would argue we are biologically wired to reproduce (or you put it as "natural") and I don't buy that excuse either (so I agree with you). Evolution takes a long time, and humans are still burdened by a lot of their ancestral instincts, but I think we are more than capable enough to put limitations on reproduction. But like I said, it becomes a huge ethical discussion deciding who is and is not allowed to have children. I'd imagine that would be heartbreaking for a woman who desires more than anything to have a child, and not be given the right.

 

[SamTam33]

Oh no, I fully understand the statement. What I said in my comment is I don't understand the point of the statement, since it is not a prerogative (yet the statement makes it seem so).

I don't understand the point of you saying you don't understand the point.

You claim to understand the statement but not the point - as if they are two separate ideas, requiring separate explanations and separate levels of comprehension...

The statement: What gave my parents the right to have me.
The point: I hate that my parents had me.

 

[Rob1984]

I don't understand the point of you saying you don't understand the point.

You claim to understand the statement but not the point - as if they are two separate ideas, requiring separate explanations and separate levels of comprehension...

Yes, somebody can understand a sentence but not understand the point that somebody is trying to make with a sentence. They do require two different sets of comprehension. I honestly cannot tell if you're trolling me or if you genuinely don't realize this...

The statement: What gave my parents the right to have me.
The point: I hate that my parents had me.

Okay. So basically it was a rhetorical question- you weren't actually asking why parents have the right to bring you into existence. You were just making a statement that you're upset they decided to bring you into existence.

My confusion was that I actually thought you were cherry picking parents with regards to having the prerogative of conceiving children, and that's why I responded by asking couldn't you say that about anybody that has ever had kids (such as grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.) Because your parents having you was only one domino to fall in the midst of a long domino effect. You wouldn't be here if your grandparents never had your parents, and so on and so on.

 

[SamTam33]

Yes, somebody can understand a sentence but not understand the point that somebody is trying to make with a sentence. They do require two different sets of comprehension. I honestly cannot tell if you're trolling me or if you genuinely don't realize this...



Okay. So basically it was a rhetorical question- you weren't actually asking why parents have the right to bring you into existence. You were just making a statement that you're upset they decided to bring you into existence.

My confusion was that I actually thought you were cherry picking parents with regards to having the prerogative of conceiving children, and that's why I responded by asking couldn't you say that about anybody that has ever had kids (such as grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.) Because your parents having you was only one domino to fall in the midst of a long domino effect. You wouldn't be here if your grandparents never had your parents, and so on and so on.

I quoted a general statement: what gave parents the right to wake the non-existent? There was no cherry-picking.

There was nothing for you to understand or not understand. There was no reason for you to go looking for the point of the statement. It's something I read that struck a chord with me.

Rather than type out all of the people in a family tree, it's more succinct to identify the parents.