Is this the end of this forum?

[noname223]

Just read the full article of The New York Times . Oof that is tough. This could lead to a lot of problems. I think after the vice article the hell broke loose behind the scenes. This research could lead to an end of this forum as we know it.
First of all I do not like the depiction of this website as pro-death. I believe in pro-choice. It is a very ethical topic with many nuances which this article does not portray at all. (As so many articles about this forum.)
I defended this forum morally after the vice article. It helps me to cope with my suicidality a lot. I would feel way more loenly without it. And no my self-aid group is no replacement at all. I could write a long thread why this forum is so helpful for me (someone who was abused/mistreated as a child of my own parents). But I already did that after the vice article. Maybe I Will do that again. There are probably a lot of guests now in this forum. I know this from the time in a mental health forum: When I talked about my wish to die they all gawk at the thread and left dumb comments.

The way more urgent part is what will happen now to this forum? The two founders are probably leaked. If they were Satan and Stalin I would probably still be in this forum. At least they defend the right to ctb. I JUST NEED THIS FORUM IT REALLY HELPS TO COPE WITH MY SEVERE SUICIDALITY (SINCE A DECADE) NORMIES.
I think legally they are not in so much trouble: As long as Section 230 stays as it is this is probably not forbidden in the USA. However with this article the pressure on politicians increases to change section 230 in order to prohibit this website. I am pretty sure if that happened this forum/or a similar one would emerge in the dark net with way more suspicious people. The members of this forum could also be in legal trouble. Normally I would now stop visiting this site but it just helps my mental health. Not to be lonely with my experience of severe long-term suicidality. The investigations about this forum in several countries sound scary though.

I am not an IT experts I don't know much about providers, clouds and servers. Now after this report the people who sell that service could become more reluctant to sell it. It would not surprise me if this forum would soon close forever.

Oh and I should not forget the supply of SN could stop due to this. They want us instead to jump in front of trains or other undignified deaths. As long as assisted suicide is not available in all countries the prohibiton of peaceful methods is just cruel.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Yeah, looks like SN is going to be removed from the menu soon. Means I'll have to drink mine before it expires (when is this, btw? I've heard everything from 2 years to 2 centuries)! Thanks a lot for forcing my hand, journalists and politicians!

 

[Sherri]

Just read the full article of The New York Times . Oof that is tough. This could lead to a lot of problems. I think after the vice article the hell broke loose behind the scenes. This research could lead to an end of this forum as we know it.
First of all I do not like the depiction of this website as pro-death. I believe in pro-choice. It is a very ethical topic with many nuances which this article does not portray at all. (As so many articles about this forum.)
I defended this forum morally after the vice article. It helps me to cope with my suicidality a lot. I would feel way more loenly without it. And no my self-aid group is no replacement at all. I could write a long thread why this forum is so helpful for me (someone who was abused/mistreated as a child of my own parents). But I already did that after the vice article. Maybe I Will do that again. There are probably a lot of guests now in this forum. I know this from the time in a mental health forum: When I talked about my wish to die they all gawk at the thread and left dumb comments.

The way more urgent part is what will happen now to this forum? The two founders are probably leaked. If they were Satan and Stalin I would probably still be in this forum. At least they defend the right to ctb. I JUST NEED THIS FORUM IT REALLY HELPS TO COPE WITH MY SEVERE SUICIDALITY (SINCE A DECADE) NORMIES.
I think legally they are not in so much trouble: As long as Section 230 stays as it is this is probably not forbidden in the USA. However with this article the pressure on politicians increases to change section 230 in order to prohibit this website. I am pretty sure if that happened this forum/or a similar one would emerge in the dark net with way more suspicious people. The members of this forum could also be in legal trouble. Normally I would now stop this visit this site but it just helps my mental health. Not to be lonely with my experience of severe long-term suicidality. The investigations about this forum in several countries sound scary though.

I am not an IT experts I don't know much about providers, clouds and servers. Now after this report the people who sell that service could become more reluctant to sell it. It would not surprise me if this forum would soon close forever.

Oh and I should not forget the supply of SN could stop due to this. They want us instead to jump in front of trains of other undignified deaths. As long as assisted suicide is not available in all countries the prohibiton of peaceful methods is just cruel.

Hi noname mind sharing the link with me?

Yeah, looks like SN is going to be removed form the menu soon. Means I'll have to drink mine before it expires (when is this, btw? I've heard everything from 2 years to 2 centuries)! Thanks a lot for forcing my hand, journalists and politicians!

I have mine for a year, unsealed, it lasts 3 years right?

 

[noname223]

Where the Despairing Log On, and Learn Ways to Die (Published 2021)

It has the trappings of popular social media, a young audience and explicit content on suicide that other sites don’t allow. It is linked to a long line of lives cut short.

www.nytimes.com

 

[willitpass]

luckily i have already stockpiled information both in my brain and on my personal method sheet. if this site goes i will know how to ctb more peacefully but i will have no one to understand me

 

[Flippy]

Where the Despairing Log On, and Learn Ways to Die (Published 2021)

It has the trappings of popular social media, a young audience and explicit content on suicide that other sites don’t allow. It is linked to a long line of lives cut short.

www.nytimes.com

In another thread someone has cut and pasted the article, if someone hasn't already while I'm typing this I will post a link to the thread. The article is behind a paywall and maybe some would prefer not to sign up.

 

[healthrecovery]

Removing SN from the menu is going to lead to more train jumping and rope hanging... people who want to die wil do it anyway

 

[Sherri]

Just read the full article of The New York Times . Oof that is tough. This could lead to a lot of problems. I think after the vice article the hell broke loose behind the scenes. This research could lead to an end of this forum as we know it.
First of all I do not like the depiction of this website as pro-death. I believe in pro-choice. It is a very ethical topic with many nuances which this article does not portray at all. (As so many articles about this forum.)
I defended this forum morally after the vice article. It helps me to cope with my suicidality a lot. I would feel way more loenly without it. And no my self-aid group is no replacement at all. I could write a long thread why this forum is so helpful for me (someone who was abused/mistreated as a child of my own parents). But I already did that after the vice article. Maybe I Will do that again. There are probably a lot of guests now in this forum. I know this from the time in a mental health forum: When I talked about my wish to die they all gawk at the thread and left dumb comments.

The way more urgent part is what will happen now to this forum? The two founders are probably leaked. If they were Satan and Stalin I would probably still be in this forum. At least they defend the right to ctb. I JUST NEED THIS FORUM IT REALLY HELPS TO COPE WITH MY SEVERE SUICIDALITY (SINCE A DECADE) NORMIES.
I think legally they are not in so much trouble: As long as Section 230 stays as it is this is probably not forbidden in the USA. However with this article the pressure on politicians increases to change section 230 in order to prohibit this website. I am pretty sure if that happened this forum/or a similar one would emerge in the dark net with way more suspicious people. The members of this forum could also be in legal trouble. Normally I would now stop this visit this site but it just helps my mental health. Not to be lonely with my experience of severe long-term suicidality. The investigations about this forum in several countries sound scary though.

I am not an IT experts I don't know much about providers, clouds and servers. Now after this report the people who sell that service could become more reluctant to sell it. It would not surprise me if this forum would soon close forever.

Oh and I should not forget the supply of SN could stop due to this. They want us instead to jump in front of trains of other undignified deaths. As long as assisted suicide is not available in all countries the prohibiton of peaceful methods is just cruel.

Never mind, just saw the link. Hope they don't close our safe house… :(

 

[HiImPaul]

Definitely worried about the legal aspect too. Don't need any more stress at the moment so I try to avoid saying anything that could be portrayed as "encouraging suicide"

 

[Flippy]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/anyone-seen-this-ss-in-the-news.79083/post-1415502

If I've done this right you should be able to read the article at the above link.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Definitely worried about the legal aspect too. Don't need any more stress at the moment so I try to avoid saying anything that could be portrayed as "encouraging suicide"

Is it possible to delete any postings?

 

[Snake of Eden]

I doubt they ever will. The website has survived just like piratebay is still doing. I imagine the creators/owners of this forum are technically savvy enough to do what needs to be done to preserve access to this forum. Maybe they would just have to abandon the .org/.com url format and switch to something that is less official. I am not technically savvy enough to know how piratebay managed to survived all these years despite gross violations for Data and media Rights but they do survive and constantly reroute .com and .net urls to their new url formats. I imagine if sanctioned-suicide.net faced any lawsuits and eventual closure on public format it will follow same suit as piratebay. So I am not really worried that much

Is it possible to delete any postings?

Yes you could ask the mods to delete them and privide a reason to do so. Whatever the reason is they will most likely delete it as your post is owned by you so mods seem to operate on that assumption.

 

[EraseRewind]

The problem with articles like this is it portrays the site as the underlying reason that people commit suicide, real research would look at both sides of the argument, but of course that isn't easy to do objectively due to the subject matter and the nature of the users of the site.

I've always felt that SS can be viewed as a place where people can come and really be open about how they are feeling without judgement but in most cases receive support and some measure of comfort that it is not just them that feels like this and SS may in fact go some way into preventing some taking their own lives.

The major concern with an article like this, for me, is that it fails to discuss the fact that suicide is a problem with or without SS, people will still make attempts on their lives whether this site exists or not.

If those that are so desperate to close this site put the same efforts into discovering the underlying reasons that someone wants to die and needs to come here, I feel that real progress could be made in getting diagnosis and treatment to those who need it. In my experience if you remove support forums or groups then things get worse. Here in the UK many alcohol support groups were closed or online only during last year due to the pandemic and alcohol related deaths increased by 18%, not a scientific study but there must be some connection in the loss of support, perhaps the same could be said of SS and suicides if SS is closed.

I know that I would be worse without SS.

Just my 10 cents.

 

[Cheza_mus]

SN is continuously being prohibited...for example it appears at Walmart now they HV stopped selling it as it has been out of stock for over a month

 

[HiImPaul]

SN is continuously being prohibited...for example it appears at Walmart now they HV stopped selling it as it has been out of stock for over a month

Walmart's supplier seems to be out too as that's what they told me when I tried to get it directly from them.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I think legally they are not in so much trouble: As long as Section 230 stays as it is this is probably not forbidden in the USA. However with this article the pressure on politicians increases to change section 230 in order to prohibit this website.

Removing section 230 is gonna destroy the internet as we know it - permanently. This has widespread implications for the entire internet. But even if you remove that article, it's not as clear as you would think. In many countries providing information regarding suicide isn't the same as assisting suicide - which often presupposes offering someone else items and materials for the purpose of suicide. Here is a simple example: me giving you SN is considered assisted suicide in many countries. Me telling you where to find SN isn't. It's the reason why the Peaceful Pill Handbook is legal, information alone isn't criminal. You can literally buy a physical copy of that book from Amazon. I've explained it here in great detail and maybe this thread is more important now than ever:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...is-website-is-not-illegal-by-any-means.60140/

 

[orange]

The notion that this site encourages suicide is bullshit, just the other day I was sharing in chat how I was getting help and was gonna give life a second chance and all I got back was love and support and even one user warning me not to overuse meds!

 

[Sherri]

The notion that this site encourages suicide is bullshit, just the other day I was sharing in chat how I was getting help and was gonna give life a second chance and all I got back was love and support and even one user warning me not to overuse meds!

Good on you hun, let's keep the positive and truthful help, that this site gave us for everyone to see.

 

[willitpass]

i'm currently really going through it and i have no one to talk to because if i told them they would freak out and put me in a hospital, which is where a majority of my trauma has occurred and they have only caused my mental health to deteriorate further. being able to vent my feelings on here where people won't judge or be scared away makes me feel so much better

 

[Deleted member 8579]

First of all I do not like the depiction of this website as pro-death. I believe in pro-choice. It is a very ethical topic with many nuances which this article does not portray at all. (As so many articles about this forum.)

Alucard perfectly summarised the philosophy of this forum:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...pro-choice-short-philosophical-article.64774/

Yeah, looks like SN is going to be removed form the menu soon. Means I'll have to drink mine before it expires (when is this, btw? I've heard everything from 2 years to 2 centuries)! Thanks a lot for forcing my hand, journalists and politicians!

It is not without a certain grim humour that many of us are still around because of this forum, while the detractors of it seem to be doing their best to drive us to suicide sooner rather than later.

The problem with articles like this is it portrays the site as the underlying reason that people commit suicide, real research would look at both sides of the argument.

The major concern with an article like this, for me, is that it fails to discuss the fact that suicide is a problem with or without SS, people will still make attempts on their lives whether this site exists or not.

If those that are so desperate to close this site put the same efforts into discovering the underlying reasons that someone wants to die and needs to come here, I feel that real progress could be made in getting diagnosis and treatment to those who need it. In my experience if you remove support forums or groups then things get worse. Here in the UK many alcohol support groups were closed or online only during last year due to the pandemic and alcohol related deaths increased by 18%, not a scientific study but there must be some connection in the loss of support, perhaps the same could be said of SS and suicides if SS is closed.

Like a doctor treating a lung cancer patient with cough drops, the root of the problem is ignored in favour of treating the symptom, as that is cheaper and more convenient. Blaming a random website is much simpler and cheaper than restructuring society. It gives them the feeling of having achieved something without having to make an actual effort.
The argument is essentially this: "We know that many people are suicidal, but by taking away the means to commit suicide, we can force them to stay alive. We don't care how miserable they may be, that's not our problem."
Several members are suicidal because of severe financial difficulties; they are poor despite their best efforts. Do you think any of these pro-life zealots would give them a single cent to keep them alive?
Many of these people couldn't care less about any of us, they just need a scapegoat, i.e. this website.

 

[Hotsackage]

Fuckem this site going nowhere