Is there a forum that is more free speech and less censored than this?

[Sims3losertrait]

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[Aflame5926]

what do you mean with censored?

imo from what i saw about this topic i would say this is already quite lenient to be honest.
but if there is even more open one then i would like to know aswell

 

[Sims3losertrait]

It's really not that lenient here, it's just that mainstream social media has gotten so draconian that you get banned for expressing basically any emotion or opinion besides "I Want To Purchase Products!" which makes this place seem lenient in comparison

 

[dragonofenvy]

It's really not that lenient here,

I consider this site to be one of the last bastions of free speech. What do you think is being censored? You can PM it to me if you want. I've never faced censorship. The only time I've seen censorship was in cases of harassment, encouragement, and other unsavory things. Safety is important for vulnerable people on this site.

This site does have a certain culture. If I gave out my political views, for example I'd be willing to bet people would brigade me over it since I'm in the very tiny minority with certain political views on this site. That thread would likely get locked but I doubt I'd get banned unless I'm intentionally ragebaiting.

 

[Sims3losertrait]

If I gave out my political views, for example I'd be willing to bet people would brigade me over it since I'm in the very tiny minority with certain political views on this site.

Yeah bud you don't want to know. Lol.

 

[whywere]

This site is not that censored.

Like with everything in life, there has to be some rules and regulations.

Should a person help another ctb? NO! That should be a 100% personal decision and effort period, if that is what the person wants.

Playing mind games and hurting other folks with words, or worse is NOT being part of the human experience, so would that be censorship? NO!

Would I ever help someone else kill themselves? NO!

Without rules and regulations, then anyone, at any time, could be so darn mean, nasty, and just a plain jerk, so? Rules and regulations to keep the peace and to make sure that everything works for everyone? YES!

I remember one time on here, where a younger person, wrote me a conversation and told me to move to Japan or China where they might like "old" people like me.

We need rules and regulations to govern and if needed correct bad behavior.

Walter

 

[dragonofenvy]

Without rules and regulations, then anyone, at any time, could be so darn mean, nasty, and just a plain jerk, so? Rules and regulations to keep the peace and to make sure that everything works for everyone? YES!

This site essentially has its own private law. Every site has its own private law and enforcement of it. Without it, this site would be a decadent shithole. I agree with you full stop.

 

[Sims3losertrait]

Well yes exactly and that is exactly the problem!

This site is not that censored.

Like with everything in life, there has to be some rules and regulations.

Should a person help another ctb? NO! That should be a 100% personal decision and effort period, if that is what the person wants.

Playing mind games and hurting other folks with words, or worse is NOT being part of the human experience, so would that be censorship? NO!

Would I ever help someone else kill themselves? NO!

Without rules and regulations, then anyone, at any time, could be so darn mean, nasty, and just a plain jerk, so? Rules and regulations to keep the peace and to make sure that everything works for everyone? YES!

I remember one time on here, where a younger person, wrote me a conversation and told me to move to Japan or China where they might like "old" people like me.

We need rules and regulations to govern and if needed correct bad behavior.

Walter

I feel like I'm being censored from being a jerk! Name one place where being a jerk is allowed! It's not allowed on any website and it's not allowed in real life either! Maybe people need to be mean and nasty sometimes ever think about THAT?

 

[FF777]

Maybe people need to be mean and nasty sometimes ever think about THAT?

boy, why would you want to come on a forum where people are hurting and need emotional support so you can be mean to them?.. at first i thought maybe you were talking about not being able to express things like right-wing political views or some thing, but then you say this.... what is your damage?..

if there are things that you are suffering from or hurting from in your own life then post about it and try to help your self recover and get better.. you don't need to knock other vulnerable people down, wtf..

if this site was just anarchy then there wouldn't be much of a point for it any more..

since we are yapping about this any way, i'll say that i think it is generally a good idea to refrain from politics on sites like these because it quickly leads to heated debates and grudges.. i think there is actually a subforum on here specifically for politics but it doesn't get tons of action, but it doesn't really need to in my opinion..

any way, there are a billion other places you can go be a jerk since that is what you want to do for some reason.. this place has a purpose and it isn't supposed to cater to complete anarchy just so people have the freedom to hurt other people on purpose.. lol get real..

 

[Hvergelmir]

Is there a forum that is more free speech and less censored than this?

There are certainly a bunch of political, religious, gambling, and pornographic forums, with posts that would not be accepted here. There are also quite a few forums where criminals are marketing services.

Name one place where being a jerk is allowed!

Maybe some chan-board, or if you want to push it further some obscure TOR community? The real question is if you truly want to be in a place surrounded by jerks.
I've stumbled upon such places, exploring, but have not bothered to memorize their addresses. Researching arbitrary jerk opinions will lead you there.

 

[Aflame5926]

There are certainly a bunch of political, religious, gambling, and pornographic forums, with posts that would not be accepted here. There are also quite a few forums where criminals are marketing services.


Maybe some chan-board, or if you want to push it further some obscure TOR community? The real question is if you truly want to be in a place surrounded by jerks.
I've stumbled upon such places, exploring, but have not bothered to memorize their addresses. Researching arbitrary jerk opinions will lead you there.

do you maybe know if there are some more CTB forums?

 

[Lamentice]

Troll lmao

 

[limenlux]

Some social media platforms have ostensibly relaxed their policies under the realization that they've over-corrected and driven people into spaces where they can't control or effectively monitor which narratives emerge. I don't find it rewarding to use any of these platforms knowing what their motives are.

It does feel as if you have to engage in a lot of compartmentalization online sometimes due to the disparate rules of various spaces, but the few platforms that employ little to no internal regulations are absolute horror shows.

 

[nayomi]

the freedoms here should be tapered towards personal choice and healing, being nasty and talking about crap do not fit those values....
you can do those kinds stuff in most places online tbh, why here?

 

[spellbound]

the freedoms here should be tapered towards personal choice and healing, being nasty and talking about crap do not fit those values....
you can do those kinds stuff in most places online tbh, why here?

Obviously I agree that harassment and other shitty behaviours should be banned, but that's literally not freedom tho. Freedom would be allowing this type of behaviour. You just can't say "we have freedom of speech but only if you say stuff we approve of", that's just not freedom of speech.
Now I'm gonna say it again, I am glad there is proper moderation and that bullies are being banned, but don't call this place "the last bastion of free speech", it's ridiculous.
Besides, there's a few political extremist viewpoints that you can't discuss on here. Viewpoints which don't violate rules but still can't be expressed. I don't mind that they ban it but that doesn't fit the whole freedom of speech idea

 

[nayomi]

Obviously I agree that harassment and other shitty behaviours should be banned, but that's literally not freedom tho. Freedom would be allowing this type of behaviour. You just can't say "we have freedom of speech but only if you say stuff we approve of", that's just not freedom of speech.
Now I'm gonna say it again, I am glad there is proper moderation and that bullies are being banned, but don't call this place "the last bastion of free speech", it's ridiculous.

idk because freedom cant be absolute. i has to be contained in some way because otherwise it will prevent other freedoms. like if there is a place that you can not be nice to other people it can override people right for healing for example because some people will always go there even if it is bad for them. idk if it is the best example tho.

also i dont see this place for practicing freedom of speech, it is more a place for personal choice and healing

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Should a person help another ctb? NO! That should be a 100% personal decision and effort period, if that is what the person wants.

I loved most of your post but disagree with you about this. What if someone is so sick they can't even get out of bed and have been stuck there for years? If they wanted help to escape from this world from a close friend, how would something like that be wrong?

 

[spellbound]

also i dont see this place for practicing freedom of speech, it is more a place for personal choice and healing

I completely agree with you, this place isn't a place for freedom of speech. And again, I think it's great. But say there's stuff I wanna say that I can't say on here, wouldn't it be normal for me to try to look for a less censored place ? That's all that OP is doing, they're not saying SaSu needs to change, they're just asking if anyone knows of a place with less strict censorship.
What's so wrong about that ? Why is everyone acting like OP said SaSu's censorship is bad ? Why can't there be a strongly moderated suicide forum to ensure safety of the users and positivity, as well as a different, more loosely moderated suicide forum that would ensure everyone can voice their opinions ? Both can coexist.

 

[Sims3losertrait]

Troll lmao

Im really fucking tired or being called a troll every fucking day every fucking time o try to post on the internet. This is one of my main reasons for ctb actually. I am really fucking tired of not being taken seriously. What do I have to do, carve "NOT A TROLL" into my skin and post a pic? I'll do it. I'll literally do it.
Lamentice don't bother replying to me because I'm not gonna see it because I'm ignoring your account after this. Have a bad day and go fuck yourself.

 

[whywere]

I loved most of your post but disagree with you about this. What if someone is so sick they can't even get out of bed and have been stuck there for years? If they wanted help to escape from this world from a close friend, how would something like that be wrong?

I FULLY believe in euthanasia 100%, HOWEVER that process MUST be done by the person THEMSLEVES, like in Switzerland and after fully vetting everything.

I, for one, WILL, if and when, maybe yes, maybe no, quantity overtakes quality of live WILL be a euthanasia client, BUT me and me alone.

Now there is an exception as there is to most things in life, like if someone is in a terrible accident and is in a vegetative state, then that person's life directive comes into play.

I have an iron clad one, our state here in the U.S. allows this, and back over a decade ago when it went into law, I made a VERY precise directive.

I will say it, we are family here, PULL THE PLUG, as I have seen too many poor souls through the decades from drinking too much alcohol and other issues lay in a hospice or hospital and slowly gasp for oxygen and waiting to end, no way ever for me.

As long as there is a signed and sealed directive that is 100% legal then go for it, BUT to have another person act as either an executioner or someone who believes, and they may, feel it is either what that person wanted or that they are either medical or the like staff doing it NO!

There is a time and place for everything, BUT there should be a standard to go by.

AS a scenario, I am bedridden, and I want a friend, which I do not have, come and "pull the plug" NO! That should be a precise standard to go by.

Walter

 

[Hvergelmir]

do you maybe know if there are some more CTB forums?

At least one has been mentioned here a few times. "lostallhope", or something along those lines.
I've also heard about one or two forums on tor, but I've not bothered to look for them.

So, yes, but I don't have anything specific to share.

 

[FF777]

but don't call this place "the last bastion of free speech", it's ridiculous.

i think when people say it is a last bastion of free speech they mean it in the context of being able to talk about CTB stuff..

 

[spellbound]

i think when people say it is a last bastion of free speech they mean it in the context of being able to talk about CTB stuff..

The nature of suicide being so incredibly different for everyone of us here means that to be able to talk freely about suicide or mental health, you have to talk about literally every topic, especially taboo topics.

 

[dragonofenvy]

i think when people say it is a last bastion of free speech they mean it in the context of being able to talk about CTB stuff..

Correct. Yes I am aware there are certain political opinions that aren't tolerated, and certain types of political extremism that I find contemptible is allowed, but oh well. I'm not a free speech absolutist as some here are. When I'm in my own home with my own friends, I wear my shoes. When I'm in someone else's home with their friends, I will take them off if they request that I do. What I mean is, freedom of speech in the context of this site has to have certain regulations to maintain its culture. If you want free-speech absolutism there are a few places you can find, I'm sure.

I expect basic social etiquette. I get that nobody's perfect, but everybody knows that there's certain things that really just shouldn't be said. I am not going to go shooting out homophobic slurs on a public forum that has a lot of LGBT members, but if you want to do it with your friends who cares? If people want to say that I'm wrong to call this place the "last bastion of free speech" then that's fine. It's ironic because I'm decently libertarian (not that far down the pipeline, I'm fairly moderate), and view this site as libertarian. If you don't like its "private law" as I've called it then find some place else. That's the libertarian philosophy. We have the right to freedom of association in this community, and the right to displace those who are unpleasant talk to so a semblance of order is maintained.

Everybody's opinions are welcome. I've talked to self-identified Fascists and Socialists on this site. I have contempt for both ideologies but will still discuss them with those people since it's just something I like to discuss privately. I like drilling down to see why they have the beliefs they have. It's interesting. I don't want to constantly be bombarded with this though. Whenever I see somebody whining about the Israel/Palestine conflict (no matter which side they're on) for example, I roll my eyes but whatever it's their opinion on a public forum, but politics is not the point of this forum.. That's why it has it's on dedicated subsection. Not everyone, including myself, wants to see politics constantly. A lot of us are trying to escape it.

I do not tolerate heedless harassment. Not being a jerk is basic social etiquette that must be maintained in a polite society. You have the free marketplace of ideas, but that marketplace does not include bullying, especially on a site with mentally vulnerable people.

 

[interna]

Name one place where being a jerk is allowed!

#tbh just use an incel forum or a chan site

read a bit more abt what u want on ur profile n genuinely do not see why you couldn't just post on a chan board (will assume you dislike incel forums). unless you dislike chan sites because of, well, Free Speech commonly found there

really you can schizopost anywhere. its one thing schizoposting its another thing wanting people to engage with it. in any case u risk becoming a lolcow if the latter happens no matter the site

 

[Chili]

This feels like ragebait, lol.

 

[Sims3losertrait]

#tbh just use an incel forum or a chan site

read a bit more abt what u want on ur profile n genuinely do not see why you couldn't just post on a chan board (will assume you dislike incel forums). unless you dislike chan sites because of, well, Free Speech commonly found there

really you can schizopost anywhere. its one thing schizoposting its another thing wanting people to engage with it. in any case u risk becoming a lolcow if the latter happens no matter the site

Yeppp it's lookin like the move is to become a channer. I tried 4chan before but i found it kind of annoying to use… guess it's time to lock in and figure it out

This feels like ragebait, lol.

People say this about me a lot.

I'm starting to accept that being crazy is simply not ever taken seriously unless you're face to face in real life and holding a weapon. Because of the prevalence of trolls and ragebaiters on the internet, it is assumed that there is no organic and legitimate craziness on the internet, it can only be trolling. Unless it's a lolcow. Which is why there's a fascination with lolcows. "Lolcow" just means "verified actually crazy irl and not just trolling online". If the options are be called a troll/ragebaiter or be called a lolcow, I'd rather be a lolcow. At least people choose to milk lolcows for lols. I do kind of enjoy making people laugh. What can I say. At least someone would be laughing.

I have actually searched my username (not this one obviously) on KF multiple times to see if I've gotten lolcowed yet because I think it's inevitable. It hasn't happened yet. You bet I will be reading that shit and laughing when the time comes though.

 

[interna]

Yeppp it's lookin like the move is to become a channer. I tried 4chan before but i found it kind of annoying to use… guess it's time to lock in and figure it out

it's not that difficult to use if you're familiar w the culture of each board, so ur gonna wanna lurk for a while at least b4 posting
ppl like painting 4chan as spooky scary evil imgboard but it's really not anything special at all once you've browsed the internet longer than 5 minutes

 

[Sims3losertrait]

ppl like painting 4chan as spooky scary evil imgboard but it's really not anything special at all once you've browsed the internet longer than 5 minutes

Really specific pet peeve that this reminded me of (warning, discourse alert): It's kind of becoming a meme in the trans community right now to act like this about 4tran specifically & I think it's so annoying, corny, tone-policey etc. The only thing people don't like that goes on in 4tran spaces is that you're allowed to schizopost and be crazy and/or self-hating. (And also you're allowed to not think misandry is real and not think trans men are more oppressed than trans women, but that's beside my point) People act like you will instantly kill yourself and turn into an incel if you even look at anything 4tran. Like you're doomed to suicide if you know what hsts means.

…Kind of reminiscent of the rhetoric around this very website that we are on right now! Hmm! Curious!

 

[interna]

Really specific pet peeve that this reminded me of (warning, discourse alert): It's kind of becoming a meme in the trans community right now to act like this about 4tran specifically & I think it's so annoying, corny, tone-policey etc. The only thing people don't like that goes on in 4tran spaces is that you're allowed to schizopost and be crazy and/or self-hating. (And also you're allowed to not think misandry is real and not think trans men are more oppressed than trans women, but that's beside my point) People act like you will instantly kill yourself and turn into an incel if you even look at anything 4tran. Like you're doomed to suicide if you know what hsts means.

tbf i do think its a valid concern as 52% is, ultimately, real, and 4tran is 4tran at the end of the day. logically you can't base your entire identity and selfworth around a board of all things, but 1. god if things were that simple 2. people have a right to choose their own poison. i do dislike how its used to fearmonger though. its just [mostly] trans women being transphobic towards themselves and others. not exactly mind-blowing or unexpected, but it is a very "bad" (depending on how you see it) environment for, say, an egg, or an already selfhating trans person, to constantly be in. like all things in excess!!!! but ya ur not insta nor permadoomed if you just browse for the lulz... the thing is when it becomes Habit and the Habit becomes Thought

imo its not exactly wrong to say tttt feeds into harmful perspectives n that it can become dangerous, but its Also not like some hidden cult where you don't know what you're getting into if you end up being a regular anon there lmao . if youre selfhating ur gonna channel n grow ur self hate through Something eventually anyways. ofc itd be nice if it didn't work like that but ! it does !

also trans men are definitely Not more oppressed than trans women and misandry is Not real n im not hearing Anyone willing to debate that out