Is the tourniqet method better than SN?

[noalarms]

It is becoming increasingly apparent that getting SN will be difficult in the future, so other methods will have to be examined in more detail.

The focus should be on methods that cannot be restricted in order to render lawsuits and media attention ineffective.

I think the best method by far for this purpose is the tourniqet method. An entire chapter is devoted to this method in Chris Docker's Five last acts, which is available in the suicide resources thread.

This method is also discussed in the here on the forums.

What I don't understand is why so many people seem to have had issues with this method. It is presented as the simplest method available by Docker in Five last acts, and does not require any equipment that could not be obtained on short notice.

Have you considered or attempted this method? What stopped you?

 

[Someone123]

There have been recent posts about people tryng this method but not getting it to work, and I have seen other posts about this over time. I think the big issue with this method is that it seems to fail a high percentage of the time.

 

[noalarms]

There have been recent posts about people tryng this method but not getting it to work, and I have seen other posts about this over time. I think the big issue with this method is that it seems to fail a high percentage of the time.

Do you know why it fails though? It seems to me that very little can go wrong with this method.

 

[Someone123]

Do you know why it fails though? It seems to me that very little can go wrong with this method.

By tourniqyet method do you mean the night night method, where something is tightened around the throat? That's what I thought you meant. For this method the easy answer for failure it that instead of compressing the blood vessels completely the method pushed them further inside the neck so they don't get compressed all the way.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

Based on what I've read, there is a relatively high incidence of people blacking out while trying to implement this method, but not dying, and then just coming to their senses with a bad headache. Blood vessels in the neck get compressed enough to make you pass out, but not enough to kill you. Seems like it is quite tricky to implement so that this isn't the case.

 

[noalarms]

Based on what I've read, there is a relatively high incidence of people blacking out while trying to implement this method, but not dying, and then just coming to their senses with a bad headache. Blood vessels in the neck get compressed enough to make you pass out, but not enough to kill you. Seems like it is quite tricky to implement so that this isn't the case.

If that's the case, then I will have to reevaluate this method.

Even so, blacking out and waking up with a headache is as pleasant as a failed attempt is likely to be: A failed SN attempt will land you in the hospital for a day, even if it doesn't leave long-lasting symptoms. Nevermind the life-chaning consequences of other failed attempts (full suspension hanging, jumping, etc.)

It's surprising to read that people have blacked out and woken up. From my understanding, the tourniquet, maintains the pressure on your neck, so that blood flow to the brain is interrupted and you die.

I would say that people who blacked out and woke up after attempting this probably had their tourniquet loosen while they were unconscious. Something to consider.

 

[Someone123]

If that's the case, then I will have to reevaluate this method.

Even so, blacking out and waking up with a headache is as pleasant as a failed attempt is likely to be: A failed SN attempt will land you in the hospital for a day, even if it doesn't leave long-lasting symptoms. Nevermind the life-chaning consequences of other failed attempts (full suspension hanging, jumping, etc.)

It's surprising to read that people have blacked out and woken up. From my understanding, the tourniquet, maintains the pressure on your neck, so that blood flow to the brain is interrupted and you die.

I would say that people who blacked out and woke up after attempting this probably had their tourniquet loosen while they were unconscious. Something to consider.

I think that people blacked out often due to blood flow that was redcued but not stopped- enough reduction to cuaase you to pass out but not to kill you. Over time the pressure may cause an artery to move in a little due to the pressure and then there is much more blood flow and they wake up.

 

[noalarms]

I think that people blacked out often due to blood flow that was redcued but not stopped- enough reduction to cuaase you to pass out but not to kill you. Over time the pressure may cause an artery to move in a little due to the pressure and then there is much more blood flow and they wake up.

Yeah, I think the way to prevent this from happening would be to keep turning the tourniquet after you feel the symptoms of hypoxia.

I'd presume most some people stop when they feel dizzy, assuming that they will ctb and then wake up later.

The most annoying thing about this method is that when you're practicing you'll rarely manage it, but if you do you'll die without planning.

 

[Someone123]

Yeah, I think the way to prevent this from happening would be to keep turning the tourniquet after you feel the symptoms of hypoxia.

I'd presume most some people stop when they feel dizzy, assuming that they will ctb and then wake up later.

The most annoying thing about this method is that when you're practicing you'll rarely manage it, but if you do you'll die without planning.

It does work for some people seemingly, so maybe this approach would work.

 

[ultrasharpy123456]

There's something about this method I've been thinking about.



Something like bending your head backwards first to put on the tourniquet and then maybe bending it forward once it's on. There's a trick to this thing.
Edit: I just re-read what you exactly want to find, it should be almost next to your jaw, for me it ends 1 centimeter under the jaw. That's the top of the Adam's apple. I hope that somewhat helps.
"The one issue I think we have been missing. We have to keep the chin up to bring the carotids as close as possible to the surface."



"Two days ago I was casually experimenting with the placement of this device. I was standing before a mirror, placed two empty socks under the rods to ease the friction on the skin then tightened the rods with a few rotations. It wasn't even uncomfortable, just the feeling of slight pressure. Nothing happened for 5-10 seconds, then I remembered to tilt my head a little bit back. I'm not kidding, after 1 second my vision started to black out the same way like on the toilet. No light-headed feeling, just straight to blacking out."
-2bearcolossus