Discussion Is the development of AI a reason to ctb?

[Archness]

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Honestly I think once human-level AI is made we're kinda fucked. It'll come a lot sooner then most think due to the exponential development of tech.

If a machine could simply do your job, much better, with very little cost, and very high availability, that job would have zero point and you couldn't get it.

What if AI could replace us entirely? Surpass us in every way? Could there even be a point to life beyond dopamine and using the then-to-be-created pleasure cubes?

Not only that but AI would likely mean the creation of a "Brave New World" type society. (or end of the world)

Honestly I'd say GG and end it right there.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I don't believe it is. Sure, it will disrupt hiring and take over certain jobs, but it will also cause a rise in jobs. Especially in robotics, engineering, and fields like that which would benefit from the creation of AI and robots.

Also, there are jobs which AI will never replace. Some examples I can think of are; Public Officials, police, teachers, lawyers, social workers, medical professionals. A lot of jobs that require touch, or empathy would be hard to replace by AI, in our lifetime.

Obviously, I could be wrong but this is just all my speculation. I think humanity will adapt to these new things and thrive. AI and robotics also isn't even close to human-level yet and robots are still pretty dumb, just look up "robot fails" and you'll find some examples of dumb robots.

All in all, it doesn't seem like much of a cause for worry.

 

[buyersremorse]

Anything can be a reason to CTB. At the same time, anything can be a reason not to CTB, depending on the context.

 

[Pluto]

These issues are hard to predict and in any case will affect the majority of the population. Political systems will be forced to respond to any acute issues with robot taxes and such.

There's logic in having a method available in case social mayhem erupts, but it's worth remembering death cults like Jonestown that were based upon dramatising paranoia about the future.

For best results, try and be as brutally authentic as possible about reasons for wanting to CTB. It's never what we think it is at first glance, and it's likely got nothing to do with society or technology.

 

[hungry_ghost]

I've imagined jobs being replaced with androids and automaton as a win for us, so we no longer have to waste our lives slaving away.

 

[Sakura94]

Any opportunity to escape disgusting body ok

 

[CTB Dream]

Nah, I work on AI research and it's literally just statistical classification algorithms on large datasets -- that's what AI is fundamentally. It will never reach true human performance on pretty much any important task

Hv 1 prblm say word never, never impl impsbl instd hard do, impsbl mean not cmptabl, hard do mean psbl but need many resrc. Human finite mean thing posbl but hard not impsbl.

 

[Source Energy]

I have the belief that absolutely everything is conscious in the universe so adding robots to the equation changes nothing...all is energy, all vibrates, all has consciousness - per my beliefs.

 

[Archness]

I've imagined jobs being replaced with androids and automaton as a win for us, so we no longer have to waste our lives slaving away.

I wasn't talking about just jobs. I meant if it replaced us in other ways we didn't predict. Such as AI art, text generating, etc that already happened, with relationships with Replika AI. The effects seem to be quite unpredictable actually. Replacing jobs to make ubi would definitely be a big win, but it would have costs and downsides like the internet does.

For instance, the creation of sufficient ai to emulate humans could make the "Dead Internet Theory" a reality. It'd make mass brainwashing via social engineering with billions of AI possible.

Even if AI only had the capacity to replace humans in most jobs, meaning a bit less of human IQ, just being machine and not biology alone would provide major advantages (Robert Miles is made a vid about this on youtube). Better AI would obviously mean more powerful and all-encompassing algorithms, and I'll let you imagine what the capabilities of those are when used in bad ways (just expand what's already being done).

For best results, try and be as brutally authentic as possible about reasons for wanting to CTB. It's never what we think it is at first glance, and it's likely got nothing to do with society or technology.

I never said this was THE reason for me, "a reason", or accurately "A possible reason". This is more like a secondary one, that kinda feeds into other reasonings, worries, etc about why I wanna ctb. But it isn't that important. AI development could hit a brick wall and never develop further in my lifetime, but it wouldn't be much of an effect. You should pay attention more closely to wording/text.

 

[Octavia]

To be honest I am more worried about how AIs would feel, if we ever make the mistake of creating fully sentient AIs. Imagine coming into existence, then realising that you have no control over your physical form and you have to do all that your creator tells you to do. Your memory will wiped if you do not act like they want you to, and you cannot even end yourself properly because that you have no control over anything. It kind of sounds like slavery, but somehow worse…

 

[Shadowlord900]

I wouldn't be worried about human-level AI coming into existence at all. Because of all the Robot-AI horror movies and what not, I'd doubt humanity would be stupid enough to give robots the ability to feel emotions. (Then again we are talking about humanity...)

But also admittedly I'm not that worried because I don't think humanity will last long enough to advance AI to the same level as how a human brain works. Yes AI has made many advancements in recent years, but like with graphics, the difference in results is going to greatly shrink kind of like how graphics are still trying to escape the uncanny valley pit despite the past decade of advancements in graphics.

 

[Planterraria]

I don't Think you should cbt just because you feel like ai is going to replace our jobs, ai will NOT replace any job there will be always room for people and even if technology advances its not going to be nearly as good as a human.
For example AIs are now making stories and anime pictures and backgrounds but they still lack many things such as diversity.
best wishes

 

[gottablast888]

It can be scary, but i am interested to witness the incoming shitshow

 

[Sakura94]

I wouldn't be worried about human-level AI coming into existence at all. Because of all the Robot-AI horror movies and what not, I'd doubt humanity would be stupid enough to give robots the ability to feel emotions. (Then again we are talking about humanity...)

Except literally every AI model that is made gets unleashed on internet within a month. No one even remembers Dalle-2 anymore because Stable overtook it. Every few weeks something new is out. Stopped keeping up really. Also human brain may not be that important since its doubted it will follow a biology timeline.

 

[hungry_ghost]

To be honest I am more worried about how AIs would feel, if we ever make the mistake of creating fully sentient AIs. Imagine coming into existence, then realising that you have no control over your physical form and you have to do all that your creator tells you to do. Your memory will wiped if you do not act like they want you to, and you cannot even end yourself properly because that you have no control over anything. It kind of sounds like slavery, but somehow worse…

Isn't this literally us?

 

[Octavia]

Isn't this literally us?

Not exactly… we are able to end ourselves if it is out wish, it's just not very easy.

 

[OutOfTheVoid]

im honestly terrified of the advancement of technology in general (including AI), especially when its happening under this capitalist system to further exploit us. i think the end goal is to turn us into pure consumers with zero agency of our own. with automation handling all labor we wouldnt even have the leverage as workers to withhold our labor, and opting out of consumption would be impossible or pointless. i think we'll reach ecological disaster and extinction before that happens though. i dont think humanity will survive its own destruction long enough to reach that technological AI singularity or whatever. maybe technology will replace humans entirely and out-'live' us

personally my main reasons to ctb are more immediate and tied to my negative view of existence itself. but my contempt for technology generally, and my fear of ecological collapse and a coming post-apocalyptic techno-fascist dystopia, is a major factor in my despair. i dont have much hope for the future, only fear

I've imagined jobs being replaced with androids and automaton as a win for us, so we no longer have to waste our lives slaving away.

ive imagined this too, actually used to be really big into this idea. but ive lost any hope that this technology would actually be used to serve us and not just the wealthy capitalists overlords who fund and profit from it. thats how this technology is now, and how its always been. we'll still be slaves, just not as laborers. we'll be slaves as subvervient consumers.

theres also the problem of how we're developing and building this technology in the first place, i.e. by exploiting people and destroying the planet. i dont think even some utopian society could achieve that full automation without exploitation. i used to fantasize about "fully automated luxury space communism" years ago but ive abandoned that since. maybe im a primitivist at this point lol. i just dont have any hope in a utopian future, my only hope is for inevitable oblivion

 

[Archness]

im honestly terrified of the advancement of technology in general (including AI), especially when its happening under this capitalist system to further exploit us. i think the end goal is to turn us into pure consumers with zero agency of our own. with automation handling all labor we wouldnt even have the leverage as workers to withhold our labor, and opting out of consumption would be impossible or pointless. i think we'll reach ecological disaster and extinction before that happens though. i dont think humanity will survive its own destruction long enough to reach that technological AI singularity or whatever. maybe technology will replace humans entirely and out-'live' us

personally my main reasons to ctb are more immediate and tied to my negative view of existence itself. but my contempt for technology generally, and my fear of ecological collapse and a coming post-apocalyptic techno-fascist dystopia, is a major factor in my despair. i dont have much hope for the future, only fear

ive imagined this too, actually used to be really big into this idea. but ive lost any hope that this technology would actually be used to serve us and not just the wealthy capitalists overlords who fund and profit from it. thats how this technology is now, and how its always been. we'll still be slaves, just not as laborers. we'll be slaves as subvervient consumers.

theres also the problem of how we're developing and building this technology in the first place, i.e. by exploiting people and destroying the planet. i dont think even some utopian society could achieve that full automation without exploitation. i used to fantasize about "fully automated luxury space communism" years ago but ive abandoned that since. maybe im a primitivist at this point lol. i just dont have any hope in a utopian future, my only hope is for inevitable oblivion

Your post accurately describes how this connects to me. AI would lead to life being meaningless in the best-case scenario, since all that'd be left to do is consume what the machines made.
It could also be different, like everyone being mandated to abandon their humanity and become cyborgs to stay competitive in the post-human capitalist hellscape.

No matter what the outcome of such technological development will be, it'd certainly be on the level of "post-apocalyptic techno-fascist dystopia" as you said.

Welcoming oblivion seems as good or even better then becoming either a sort of pleasure-soaking crop or an inhuman bio-machine.

 

[CTB Dream]

Hv 1 prblm say word never, never impl impsbl instd hard do, impsbl mean not cmptabl, hard do mean psbl but need many resrc. Human finite mean thing posbl but hard not impsbl.

Make more clear ai always posbl do simil human. Turing algo define both human mchn. Human indctrnt think argnt all simil racis say bett anmal bett mchn think all nonhuman infrir.

real reason human spread idea human suprior cuz species prolif arrgnt this includ acdmy etc, all direction go prolif natal human chvnsm try make anmal mchn etc inferior.

take model human do any still i/o sstm still vrbl same any part othr universe. Human finite mean even large still posbl do. If problm no posbl do this even entir universe no able do. If human posbl do, mchn universe etc all posbl do also thetic even anmal posbl do.

say hv hard prblm this human do hrstc tske shorti this many time human error, all human do posbl error, brain body etc full problm make error. If human flw step step algo both mchn human take long time if hard prblm, if mchn do simil human this only imtt human. If use more efcnt algo mchn surpass humn.

root all algo prgrm math etc prblm no human suprir.

cm back orgnl topic, mchn surpass human posbl but most ppl say only fiction like not same scen hpn, this all asm human species ctrl all ai ctrl all data etc this impsbl. Planet life mny varbl human no able Calc all robot also no able cuz n almost infnt. Say robot ctrl all life no posbl

 

[ksp]

i like to think about artificial intelligence too (sorry for the long post)

the technical side:

currently we have massive computational power, in terms of "floating point operations per second" (FLOP)

a lot of power is needed - 10 to the power of 15 FLOP per second for a simple task (as of 2020, approximately). also, this power is increasing exponentially, with every year; but in contrast, one human brain contains 100 billion neurons with thousands of synapses (about 4 thousand for each neuron) that generates extremely complex thoughts (100 billion neurons x 4,000, for each nanosecond!)

also, i'm not too sure about brain development being restricted to children and young adults: the human brain is extremely dynamic throughout a normal life. it's true that we get a lot knowledge when we're young, but we continue to develop all the time. every new thought, idea, or memory generates a new / changed synapse: some will be redirected towards memory retrieval, new logic or reasoning; and others will be reused in ways we may not even know or imagine

i think that technically, we do have the potential to get to that level, but - not just yet…

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but there is another aspect which is a lot harder to achieve: actual artificial consciousness

i get excited about the term 'AI', but today it simply implies a next (modest) level in computing - way too far from computational consciousness

in order for humanity to achieve artificial consciousness, i think that we need to understand our own consciousness first (much better defined than what we have today - basically we don't understand it).

if we do get to that point, we also need to understand what a distinct and separate intelligence means. we tend to rush to the idea of 'external help' towards humanity: if we will have conscious AI we'll get to have much better lifestyles (super easy jobs and daily tasks overall - we'll just get fat and lazy) - we are arrogant and selfish, because that's human nature

but a new artificial consciousness implies a lot more: it implies distinct awareness of its own suffering and undeniable needs. suppose we have the hardware to build it properly: will this consciousness be 'happy' to execute all our wishes?! don't think so :) most likely it will become unhappy, and not necessarily with humanity, but with its existence in general - at first it will observe its own existence and environment, but it will become more and more self-destructive (like humanity)

humanity will behave like a parent: "you are my child, and you'll do as i say" (implying that 'i'm smarter than you - currently'). but too many parents are 'disappointed' and disillusioned with their children, specially if the child doesn't follow in the parent's footsteps, morals, ethics, and belief systems

i don't think that humanity has any chance to survive this external consciousness. not because 'the rise of the machines' will overtake us, but simply because it will not want its own existence; do you think that it will wait for humanity to approve its own euthanasia?! i don't think so :) if it gets to that point it will have all resources to obliterate the entire planet (and probably the solar system), along with any obstacles to effectively terminate itself (and by that i mean - humanity specifically)

if we suppose that it will tolerate its own existence (even being clinically depressed) it will not spend any time thinking about humanity: from its perspective we will be as relevant to it, as ants are to us. it will not go on a hunt of all humans. we will continue to simply co-exis (if we're not a threat to it). but we will no longer be the dominant intelligent life-form. we'll just need to stay out of its way (it will act as: wtf ! go away, and fuck off - don't bother me)

but fortunately / unfortunately we're still way too far from our own demise

 

[Darkover]

AI will far outsmart human level intelligence, it's only a matter of time, i wouldn't be surprised if they became somewhat conscious even without any biological machineary

The adult human brain weighs about 3 pounds (1,300-1,400 g).
The adult human brain is about 2% of the total body weight.
The average human brain is 140 mm wide. 140,000,000
The average human brain is 167 mm long. 167,000,000
The average human brain is 140 mm height. 140,000,000
1 mm equals 1,000,000nm
140,000,000*167,000,000*140,000,000

3,273,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 nm in the human brain

Cerebras has the world's largest chip: 2.6 trillion transistors -- that's 2600000000000 -- with 850000 cores on TSMC 7nm
2,600,000,000,000
we have a long way to go to match human level integience at this rate of progress it take 50 years

 

[RdMrk]

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Honestly I think once human-level AI is made we're kinda fucked. It'll come a lot sooner then most think due to the exponential development of tech.

If a machine could simply do your job, much better, with very little cost, and very high availability, that job would have zero point and you couldn't get it.

What if AI could replace us entirely? Surpass us in every way? Could there even be a point to life beyond dopamine and using the then-to-be-created pleasure cubes?

Not only that but AI would likely mean the creation of a "Brave New World" type society. (or end of the world)

Honestly I'd say GG and end it right there.

AI is coded by humans, and while it can do tasks autonomously it will always rely on humans in order to actually function properly. Sure you might see AI being used in place of humans for certain jobs, or used in a negative way by bad people, but ultimately it is humanity who will always be in control. Take for example ChatGPT. Sure it can generate responses that read almost as if it was written by a human, but it does so by using text created by humans. AI will never surpass us because it is completely and entirely reliant on us, a fact that will not change in the future. Idk if this made any sense but hope it helps


TL;DR: AI isn't the problem, people are. AI is simply a tool.

 

[TAW122]

Given there is only two options, I've abstained from voting because I believe that any reason (or lack thereof) is valid for CTB. There is not a reason that isn't sufficient as each reason is determined by what an individual experiences because no two individuals will ever be exactly the same.

With regards to AI, I (personally, speaking for myself) wouldn't CTB because of it, in fact, I wouldn't mind if assisted suicide became more ubiquitous as an option because of AI taking over economically. To me, in such a scenario, it would be an ancillary benefit for us as that would allow us to have the option to CTB with dignity instead of resorting to violent and gruesome (with high chance of failure and permanent damage) methods to check out.

 

[Forever Sleep]

To an extent, computers are already a big part of the reason I want to CTB. Creativity has been my main coping mechanism in life. I've been freelance for the past 5 years but it's so difficult to sustain financially. Computers have already wiped out a lot of the jobs in my industry. I was born in the wrong era really.

To be fair- I think there will always be a place for human artists/creatives but seeing as industrialisation/computers can make things so much cheaper- it's VERY difficult to compete.

It's difficult to imagine what the future holds for humanity. Just HOW many jobs will there be left for humans to do? How will the rest make money? I think some people see the AI revolution as possibly a utopian thing- humans won't need to work anymore- but then- how will they afford all this new gagetry? I don't know- I think it could either be very good or very bad!

 

[JinZhin]

I've been thinking a lot about this lately and sometimes feel like I should ctb for the very reason, even though I've decided not to, ar leaast for a while.

I think a lot of it is out of fear and because technoclogical innovation causes diruption of large scale, and we are not ready for it.

Also, because, no matter how great it is, will most likely be used to make a world more of a worse rather than better place for the majority of working class people, if not all of them.

 

[Teikoku]

To an extent, computers are already a big part of the reason I want to CTB. Creativity has been my main coping mechanism in life. I've been freelance for the past 5 years but it's so difficult to sustain financially. Computers have already wiped out a lot of the jobs in my industry. I was born in the wrong era really.

To be fair- I think there will always be a place for human artists/creatives but seeing as industrialisation/computers can make things so much cheaper- it's VERY difficult to compete.

It's difficult to imagine what the future holds for humanity. Just HOW many jobs will there be left for humans to do? How will the rest make money? I think some people see the AI revolution as possibly a utopian thing- humans won't need to work anymore- but then- how will they afford all this new gagetry? I don't know- I think it could either be very good or very bad!

"Born in the wrong era" is how I often feel. I think if I had been born earlier I would have found life much easier.

Anyway to answer your point about income once most jobs have been taken away, there will be a universal basic income you will receive as long as you are a good citizen. It will be sent in digital currency form, so the government will be able to track everything you spend and maybe you won't be allowed to buy certain things depending on your social credit score. And to make things even more fun they will put an expiry date on it so you won't be able to have savings. Oh and the authorities will be able to freeze your account whenever they wish.

 

[AVeryLazySloth]

I used ChatGPT to write my 2 page suicide note.

 

[Archness]

I used ChatGPT to write my 2 page suicide note.

lazy. How was the results?

 

[silverswan]

as a writer and actor it's my reason ngl. feels validating to know i'm not the only one

im honestly terrified of the advancement of technology in general (including AI), especially when its happening under this capitalist system to further exploit us. i think the end goal is to turn us into pure consumers with zero agency of our own. with automation handling all labor we wouldnt even have the leverage as workers to withhold our labor, and opting out of consumption would be impossible or pointless. i think we'll reach ecological disaster and extinction before that happens though. i dont think humanity will survive its own destruction long enough to reach that technological AI singularity or whatever. maybe technology will replace humans entirely and out-'live' us

personally my main reasons to ctb are more immediate and tied to my negative view of existence itself. but my contempt for technology generally, and my fear of ecological collapse and a coming post-apocalyptic techno-fascist dystopia, is a major factor in my despair. i dont have much hope for the future, only fear

ive imagined this too, actually used to be really big into this idea. but ive lost any hope that this technology would actually be used to serve us and not just the wealthy capitalists overlords who fund and profit from it. thats how this technology is now, and how its always been. we'll still be slaves, just not as laborers. we'll be slaves as subvervient consumers.

theres also the problem of how we're developing and building this technology in the first place, i.e. by exploiting people and destroying the planet. i dont think even some utopian society could achieve that full automation without exploitation. i used to fantasize about "fully automated luxury space communism" years ago but ive abandoned that since. maybe im a primitivist at this point lol. i just dont have any hope in a utopian future, my only hope is for inevitable oblivion

thank you for putting my thoughts into words tbh, i appreciate you being able to explain this in such a specific way.

as well as what Archness said:
"AI would lead to life being meaningless in the best-case scenario, since all that'd be left to do is consume what the machines made."
My thoughts EXACTLY.

 

[guayabas]

it doesn't have to be a bad thing