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Is suicide good?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 80.6%
  • No

    Votes: 7 19.4%

  • Total voters
    36
Un-

Un-

I'm a failure. An absolute waste. A LOSEr.
Apr 6, 2021
652
Good - [uncountable] behaviour that is morally right or acceptable. - Oxford Learners Dictionary

I don't think it is. I think it's horrible to ridicule, or disrespect someone based on this decision, but I don't think suicide is something to take joy in. It is a life taken, after all. Regardless of how much it mattered, if at all.
 
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Chiisai

Chiisai

To infinity and beyond!
Sep 1, 2021
754
IMHO, I do not believe this can be simplified as good or bad as the reason such an individual performs this act is very much subjective. I believe how it is remains as it is; a mystery. So that it is left with the audience or with the people how they perceive it, be it a closure, guilt, or what else they associate the person's passing.
 
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NSA

NSA

Your friendly neighborhood agent
Feb 21, 2022
271
Yes. It's good for some, so it's good.
 
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lobster salad

lobster salad

overcooked :(
Aug 27, 2020
251
It depends on the Person in question. For a likable & hard-working Person with many connections, NO. For a Person who feels worthless, takes more than gives, does nothing to contribute to society, has little connection to others and feels they should go by suicide i suppose YES.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

Feeding Pigeons

Warlock
Aug 5, 2021
776
I see it as a necessary evil. You can bring up people who are terminally ill etc but thats like bringing up people who've been forcefully impregnated when talking about abortion. Its coming up with the most justifiable situation for the action, and thats dishonest to a degree. The actual question is it good if someone who has more of their life ahead of them than behind them throws it away. It isn't. Its ugly and tragic, but people deserve the right to escape an awful life if they choose to.
 
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stellabelle

stellabelle

ethereal
Dec 14, 2018
3,918
Just make drugs readily available over a counter.
So many people are just done. Done in general. To hell with it.
 
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Lost Magic

Lost Magic

Illuminated
May 5, 2020
3,203
Well it is good for people who are terminally ill or have been struggling with this shitty society and mental health problems for years. It is bad for the elites who still want their slaves to work for their success. I wonder who will buy all their shit, when the robots are doing the majority of the future work. That's if the world is still here and hasn't ended in Nuclear holocaust. The bastards who deny people the right to die peaceful deaths should be the ones to die the worst ones. I know I shouldn't say that but their sanctimonious attitudes really sicken me. There is very little justice and respect for vulnerable people in this shit show of a world and it it needs to be said.
 
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Nanako

Nanako

Experienced
Dec 24, 2018
289
I think the right question to ask here is, can suicide be good? The answer is yes.
 
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Ada

Ada

Inecapably Human
Jan 14, 2022
61
When he walked up the steps to Golgotha. When his hands were pierced by the people he wanted to help, while his friends were standing on a distance without interfering. Then, once he lifted his head towards the sky and cried out to himself for help, with no answer. That is when God realized that he was dead, by his own hand.
 
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Chiisai

Chiisai

To infinity and beyond!
Sep 1, 2021
754
When he walked up the steps to Golgotha. When his hands were pierced by the people he wanted to help, while his friends were standing on a distance without interfering. Then, once he lifted his head towards the sky and cried out to himself for help, with no answer. That is when God realized that he was dead, by his own hand.
I like this.
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

Enlightened
Aug 28, 2021
1,084
Good, morally right is in my opinion, what complies with the Golden Rule: "Do not treat others in ways that you would not like to be treated." As suicide is something you are doing to yourself not to others it does not break the Golden Rule.

And you are wrong, for some people suicide is something to take joy in. I am an extreme masochist and I am looking forward to the day when I will hang myself together with a like minded person. Autassassinophilia comes close to our paraphilia though being killed would be better than suicide. In this context is the positive form of the Golden Rule "Treat others as you would like others to treat you" problematic.
 
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Bone

Bone

Sad Sack
Jul 29, 2021
168
It's hard to reduce something that's so situational to "good" or not. Lots of people think that even killing others can be "good" and justified in certain circumstances, but then we tend to view killing as "bad". Tough to put things in such a black and white box.

It is an interesting question, though. To me, it really depends on which way you look at it. It's certainly good in the "no more pointless suffering" aspect of it. I think lots of us would rather live, though, and suicide and the circumstances that bring us to this point are absolutely awful.

Made me think of this: I was watching the original Planet Earth (2006) today-the Grasslands episode I believe. A certain section spent a few minutes profiling some geese and what they do to survive in an area without trees, and then you see a certain type of fox that sneaks in and tries to yank the eggs or chicks. The loss of the chick is bad for the mother goose, but it's good for the fox. What is "good" for one person or some people can be "bad" for others. I got a small attachment to the cute fuzzy chick for a second, so I felt "bad", but then the show cuts to the mother fox with seven hungry young pups to feed on her own, which showed that it was "good".

Suicide might be "good" for us to not hurt physically/mentally anymore, but it will probably be "bad" for others (family, economy [lulz], friends). I've even seen an argument here that it'd be good to reduce overpopulation and help the environment, and there's always the idea of being "less of a burden" to family-I believe this is why some Inuit traditionally killed themselves when getting old, for example. To me, there are merit to each of these arguments.

Most tend to say this era is the postmodern one and it's difficult to say that anything at all in life really is completely "good" or "bad". I think it's "bad" in the sense that I personally saw my life going differently and don't wanna be alive in this one. However, it's "good" that SS and the community here understands the idea of being pro-choice.

I voted 'yes' because of the part of the definition that says 'acceptable'. Ultimately, the nihilist in me really feels it's not good or bad, it just is. Sucks but so do a lot of other aspects of reality. I can't endorse a religious "it's always right or wrong" mentality whatsoever about suicide.
 
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Marktheghost

Marktheghost

Paragon
Feb 20, 2020
911
Yes it's (sometimes) good, because it reduces suffering.
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,621
Good - [uncountable] behaviour that is morally right or acceptable. - Oxford Learners Dictionary

I don't think it is. I think it's horrible to ridicule, or disrespect someone based on this decision, but I don't think suicide is something to take joy in. It is a life taken, after all. Regardless of how much it mattered, if at all.
I agree. Just wanting to find out who's a weirdo are you?
 
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Sherri

Sherri

Archangel
Sep 28, 2020
13,794
This thread is confusing, even if we commit suicide, who will it be good for ? Our families damaged fierever, the only thing good bout it is that we are not going to be here to see it, but your thread goes that.
 
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_Minsk

_Minsk

death: the cure for life
Dec 9, 2019
1,142
Its good in my book, imo its just a matter of suffering.
 
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Un-

Un-

I'm a failure. An absolute waste. A LOSEr.
Apr 6, 2021
652
I agree. Just wanting to find out who's a weirdo are you?
With the way that sentence is structured, it has multiple meanings but I'm going to assume that you're asking whether I'm looking for "weirdos".

Sort of.

The reason I asked this question is because it's easy to succumb to an echo chamber. I think introducing more than one narrative, like the questions that @noname223 ask, help quench that.

If this pro-choice movement is going to get anywhere, it's by considering the validity in the other side. Yes, not everything anti-choice people say are true, but nor are the things we say. I hate to act like a Messiah, but if we can't admit that the loss of a life is a bad thing, then no one will want to associate with us, and no one will ever want to hear us out.

By asking this intentionally vague question, it's shown how the majority of people here think that suicide is a good thing depending on the situation. But nearly every other person, or "normie" won't buy it because its simply not true.

I will firstly emphasis that regardless of whether it is good or not, doesn't mean no one should have access to it. I'm not saying suicide should never be an option, and I'm actually in support of the right for anyone to die for any (substantial) reason.

But, deaths are deaths, and deaths are tragic, even if the person is truly better gone than here.

In most cases, people with any shroud of sympathy would be devastated to hear the stories on this forum; to see people leaving their last messages here. To think that such a thing is joyous is ridiculous. It's saddening to think that anyone could be driven to suicide by whatever reason they have. That's the overarching point I wanted to make with this post. Death, and suicide, are heartbreaking things regardless of the situation. Yes, you may be suffering - by all means, do what you think is best for you. But it's sadistic and cruel to suggest that people be smiling, and crying of joy whilst your casket is lowered into your grave.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
43,355
We all have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing and we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. Only the individual knows whether suicide is the best thing for themselves as it is their life. For me personally, suicide will prevent decades of pointless suffering and it is perfectly rational, it makes sense for me. Life is completely meaningless after all, and I simply have no interest in living. I do wish we lived in a society where our right to die is respected, I see the right to die as being very important. Suicide should not be so stigmatised and it is cruel how the society tries to force people to live.
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,621
With the way that sentence is structured, it has multiple meanings but I'm going to assume that you're asking whether I'm looking for "weirdos".

Sort of.

The reason I asked this question is because it's easy to succumb to an echo chamber. I think introducing more than one narrative, like the questions that @noname223 ask, help quench that.

If this pro-choice movement is going to get anywhere, it's by considering the validity in the other side. Yes, not everything anti-choice people say are true, but nor are the things we say. I hate to act like a Messiah, but if we can't admit that the loss of a life is a bad thing, then no one will want to associate with us, and no one will ever want to hear us out.

By asking this intentionally vague question, it's shown how the majority of people here think that suicide is a good thing depending on the situation. But nearly every other person, or "normie" won't buy it because its simply not true.

I will firstly emphasis that regardless of whether it is good or not, doesn't mean no one should have access to it. I'm not saying suicide should never be an option, and I'm actually in support of the right for anyone to die for any (substantial) reason.

But, deaths are deaths, and deaths are tragic, even if the person is truly better gone than here.

In most cases, people with any shroud of sympathy would be devastated to hear the stories on this forum; to see people leaving their last messages here. To think that such a thing is joyous is ridiculous. It's saddening to think that anyone could be driven to suicide by whatever reason they have. That's the overarching point I wanted to make with this post. Death, and suicide, are heartbreaking things regardless of the situation. Yes, you may be suffering - by all means, do what you think is best for you. But it's sadistic and cruel to suggest that people be smiling, and crying of joy whilst your casket is lowered into your grave.
Beautifully put. The only reason I don't write things similarly in depth is if there was potential confusion over one sentence imagine what they'd be if I tried to do paragraphs! I also think nonames posts are the most thought provoking here
 
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Foresight

Foresight

Enlightened
Jun 14, 2019
1,393
But, deaths are deaths, and deaths are tragic, even if the person is truly better gone than here.
That's how I feel. It's tragic 9 out of 10 times. Sometimes it isn't. It's an almost beautiful release. Most of the time it's tragic and filled with very hurt and scary feelings.

I think it's necessary. There are circumstances that make living so dark that it is necessary. This world can be harsh and life can be merciless for some. Death can be merciful.
 
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noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
6,039
To be honest I am not sure what I shall answer except thank you for that compliment for my threads. I have the feeling either my answer is yes and no. Or neither yes nor no. It is really difficult to answer this in such a dichotomy. You could write thousand of books as an answer. Sorry I don't have time for a better answer.
 
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Depressed Cat

Depressed Cat

Mage
Jan 4, 2022
567
Whether suicide is good or bad is for the person committing suicide to decide for themselves. And to proceed with it irrespective of whether it's good or bad is that person's right to so. It's their life after all.

Good doesn't necessarily equate to happiness and joy. So nobody is asking anyone to be happy or joyous at someone's suicide.
 

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