Discussion Is suicide decided on temporary emotions?

[dogemn]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

 

[tonicer]

I can only speak about myself here of course but for me it started when i was a teenager. I am now 40+ and i still want to die by suicide but i have to postpone it until my parents are gone. I can't harm them with my suicide. So for me it's not a quick decision but a long time plan.

It could be alleviated if i wasn't so damn poor and lonely. If i got a job or won the lottery i would want to continue living for a long time. Same with romance. If i met a nice lady that loves me i wouldn't think about suicide anymore.

 

[broken serenity]

I would argue it's more complex than just yes or no. Most people will not carry out something like this if their life wasn't already in a pretty bad place, and you can read any of the vents. I feel like a lot of people look at the latest negative events in the person's life prior and say that's it... but it's more than just that in the persons head.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

Probly. But its probly for their own good anyway if they experienced that much pain in that moment in this endless cycle of pain

 

[crossingtheriver]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

What about the majority of the ppl who were somewhat depressed but not suicidal, but then just had one bad day?

i think all it did is open the eyes. Most ppl live shitty lives but are used to it or believe in some other delusion keeping them alive

Since the mediocrity happens bit by bit, they dont even realize how shitty its become until "that" time

Focused on one survivor that makes it big is the medias propaganda, most continue to have shitty lives and die slowly and painfully

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

Sure, sometimes.
If you don't want to do that, then don't consider suicide unless you've been sure of your decision for at least one year & have done everything possible before that to turn things in a different direction.

 

[crossingtheriver]

What about the majority of the ppl who were somewhat depressed but not suicidal, but then just had one bad day?

i think all it did is open the eyes. Most ppl live shitty lives but are used to it or believe in some other delusion keeping them alive

Since the mediocrity happens bit by bit, they dont even realize how shitty its become until "that" time

Focused on one survivor that makes it big is the medias propaganda, most continue to have shitty lives and die slowly and painfully

that's the first type of example I talked about the majority who are just temporarily depressed.

 

[JeyJeyOfJeypore]

that's the first type of example I talked about the majority who are just temporarily depressed.

oh. I guess im bad at reading walls of text

 

[Forveleth]

Considering I have been suicidal for 25 years, it will not be an impulsive decision for me.
It takes a certain type of hopelessness to be pushed to the point where someone can override their most basic instincts and I will therefore never judge another person's reason for killing themselves. Do I think sometimes people leave out other perfectly viable alternatives? Yes. But, in the moment, another human is just trying to find peace and I will never claim that as a poor decision.

 

[Misery99]

Not in my case...

 

[Oiled Sandwich]

Is choosing not to ctb decided on temporary emotions?

If ctb is decided by negative temporary emotions, and being happy is a positive temporary emotion since happiness isn't constant, what's the difference between choosing to ctb or choosing not to ctb?

The question itself is flawed, because people don't just ctb over emotions like some high school teen crying over a breakup. Some people have terrible life-long health issues. Some have been in poverty or homeless for who knows how long. Some just hate the way the world works, and would rather not be part of it. Regardless of the argumentation, I've made my choice.

 

[DeadnDusted]

I believe that emotions can be a bit of an illusion, and sometimes people do act rashly in face of passing distress. But at other times it can be a necessary thing for the person for a vaeriety of reasons.

Personally Ive been dealing with long term trauma due to a betrayal that basically flipped my entire compass and emotional landscape upside down for years now. And at this point even if I don't end up committing suicide the fact of the matter is that my original self would have still died due to growing numb or just accepting the situation as is.
Knowing that, even in moments where I feel genuinely "fine" and my psyche isnt throwing a fit I still think that suicide would still be a valid choice for myself because I still know the difference between simply feeling good due to genuinely good circumstances and my mind desperately adapting to a violation that was once so revolting to it.

 

[burninghill]

Feeling intense emotions temporarily is sometimes the reason why people impulsively commit suicide. In that case, it's often times fair to assume that yes, those feelings could've been alleviated and it could therefore be considered a 'poor decision'.

However, it's definitely worth noting that your average person doesn't experience something (no matter how difficult) and consider suicide, so I would definitely argue that there's probably always something else going on.

 

[dogemn]

It's not that simple. We need a great deal of nuance to understand the situation and avoid making the sweeping assumption that all suicides are purely impulsive. This is a very subjective, say, a perfectly healthy person in his early 20s decides to kill himself because of a breakup, but is saved then goes to become successful in his professional and personal life this was possible for this person because of their inner strength shaped by secure childhood that they could tap into and come out of this phase. In another case, someone who's clearly suffered a lot right from childhood, growing up with intense psychological trauma carried into adulthood, could never keep a job nor a stable relationship, always contemplating suicide because they feel they were just built unhappy to put themselves out of misery. When they act on it, it is definitely NOT impulsive because it is an action that they took influenced by their own life for a very long time. These are just a few cases I wanted to use as examples to demonstrate my point. English is not my first language, so I could not fully articulate what I wanted to say but I hope I was able to explain the nuance.

Can someone know that their future will contain suffering? or contain nothing that would make continued life worthwhile?

 

[broken serenity]

I think you might have picked the wrong population for this census. Ur gonna get a lot of pro choice, long (by ctb standards) term planning, types.

Also SI: it's really really hard to do things like jumping, but if it's in ur head, (and has been for years) you'll get to a point where maybe both

1. Ur fucked or it seems like something bad is coming up or just happened
2. U get access to a scary looking height

Now survival instincts are much easier to surmount, w that emotional energy. Hence how it can seem like big emotional events are such triggers. It's more like, an emotional trigger can lower the threshold for ctb

 

[isthisit?]

Kinda, but not wholly. I feel like in most cases, a persons life has to already be pretty bad for 1 bad crisis to push them over the edge. So technically if the persons life wasnt already in a bad spot, then they would come out in the end okay.
Yet again, a friend of a friend of me did ctb after a breakup and he was otherwise, as far as I know, pretty stable and had good grades and was living a good life.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, for me I'll always and only hope to permanently cease existing no matter what and for me ceasing to exist is the positive solution to find true permanent peace from the terrible mistake of existence that just causes all this cruelty, harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured.

I'll just always see it as the most terrible, torturous burden to suffer in this existence, all that existence ever does is just torture and harm existing beings all for the sake of it, I'll just always see it as an abomination to exist, for me wanting to cease existing is a response to being burdened with this existence, all I want is peace, I'll always find it so deeply undesirable to exist in every way, I find it so horrible and painful how a human can be tortured in this existence for so long just to face the terrible extreme agony of old age.

 

[death over slavery]

For me, if you want to CTB from a temporary feeling, you need to reconsider your options. If it's chronic, then that's a different case.

Perhaps people in those temporary feelings may not realize their circumstances are temporary, so time will give the answer.

 

[Bitter Almonds]

Maybe. I'm back on the "let's ctb" train. I was off for a little while; I believed that maybe life wouldn't turn out wrong. But now I'm almost entirely certain it will, and I don't want to see that life.

So. I found SN, and it's on the way.

 

[never mind me]

Although I believe that some suicides are carried out during extreme emotional distress I don't believe that necessarily makes them a bad decision. I think in most cases people need quite some time of being pretty desperate to even consider suicide, let alone actually do it. The exception may be people who kill themselves while under the influence of drugs (including alcohol).
I noticed for myself that being chronically suicidal for several years in my late teens made suicide an option that easily comes to mind whenever I face difficulties in life I don't know how to resolve. Now 20 years after this period of chronic suicidal ideation started most of the time I feel much better than back then and I had many months and even years I actually enjoyed life, but whenever something happens that overwhelms me I am quite quick to go back to considering suicide as the most logical solution.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I imagine it varies. But then, a forum dedicated to talking about suicide, lots of long term members. Possibly a majority who first experienced suicidal thoughts in childhood doesn't seem to suggest it is a passing phase for a lot of people.

Only the individual can really know though. Is this something new for them? What's causing it? Can they adequately fix what's wrong?

I tend to doubt that many people who suicide never thought about it till that moment though. I actually doubt many suicides are impulsive.

 

[outrider567]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

Temporary Emotions!! 4.5 years is not temporary!

 

[Passenger4224]

Do people who die by suicide act on intense emotions that are temporary and could have passed or been alleviated?
From what I've read, many suicide attempts are impulsive and decided in minutes or hours during peaks of despair or crisis. Does that mean it's often a poor decision?

Many people make impulsive decisions to CTB. I'm not sure how many of the impulsive types there are vs people who thought deeply about their decision. If they make that choice without thinking it through, it's their fault.

When I was in the mental hospital, the others who almost CTB'd acted on impulse. But also, someone who plans their suicide and doesn't act on impulse is far less likely to end up in the hospital.

Can someone know that their future will contain suffering? or contain nothing that would make continued life worthwhile?

Everyone is different. Some people have temporary issues. Others like me have zero chance of living a fulfilling life due to unchangeable factors.

 

[bodys_prisoner]

An interesting topic. Personally, I'm inclined to somehow get hold of Nembutal and end my life that way, but there are moments when I think that if I had a gun or SN right now, I would use it immediately.

 

[bl33ding_heart]

The thing is those "temporary emotions " are chronic and pervasive for most people. Almost no one suddenly starts to feel terrible and immediately makes the decision to kill themself. Those temporary horrible feelings that come and go are usually there for a while, and heavily outweigh the temporary mental calm.