Is it possible to induce schizophrenia?

[Bone]

I'm diagnosed bipolar I with psychosis, so I've had wild, mania-infused sleepless psychosis, and regardless of which way you slice it, if you really "got" it, if you understood psychosis and what it's like, you would never, ever want to induce psychosis intentionally, no matter which flavor of psychosis it is. It is essentially a waking nightmare for the person suffering it; your senses are lying to you basically; I could go on and on about what my 3 long psychotic episodes were like, but suffice to say that if you really understood what this was like, nobody would ever wish for any type of psychosis.

If you want to experience altered reality, you want to trip, not have psychosis. Try shrooms or LSD or something; I had relatively positive experiences with these back in the day. These are not psychotic episodes though, just effects that mimic some symptoms of psychotic episodes and from all I ever experienced, a lot less threatening and dangerous than an actual psychosis, much shorter, etc. If you do one of these drugs or even smoke weed and do become fully psychotic, you'll know it-eventually-and it won't be fun. It's rare but possible and why doing any of these sorts of drugs should be done carefully and hopefully with trusted, experienced friends if possible, in comfortable locations. "Good vibes only" bro.

I do think it's a bit insensitive as the previous poster said, but mostly ignorant and angsty to just say they basically *want* to be schizophrenic. Mostly, it's just naive, and I don't necessarily think that OP had the worst intentions. I do, however, think that this is reflective of a culture and society which is massively ignorant of psychotic disorders and other SMI (Severe Mental Illnesses). I can say that the people I've interacted with on SS who have psychotic disorders have lives that are extremely difficult, and the ones of us who have the worst cases of this have trauma and consequences that extend far beyond the beginning and end of the actual psychotic episodes.

As far as saying that our culture is schizophrenic, this is a lazy, nonsensical, and incomprehensible statement, and using it as an adjective like this is widely viewed as a slur to people actually suffering from it or other psychotic disorders. It also misses the point of what OP was even saying.

 

[Gsvko]

I'm sorry, that's a horrible idea

I think it's the whole point of psychedelics.

That's not the point of psychedelics, psychosis can be an unwanted result. It's fun and games if one gets back from a bad trip, but one can just get ptsd and be stuck in that with no return

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

It's possible to induce it. Using certain substances increases the risk But there's no guarantee

 

[Someone123]

I dont know why. It sounds bizarre and trippy. I want to experience it. I am mentally sick and fucked up already. So, why not.

That would be a horrible mistake, it's like saying- right now I'm suffering 8 on a scale of ten, but I want to try 10 out of 10- more suffering is a terrible idea. You might be able to induce it by high doses of the worst street drugs over a period of time, but you could never get rid of it if you did.

 

[HappyForever?]

That's not the point of psychedelics, psychosis can be an unwanted result. It's fun and games if one gets back from a bad trip, but one can just get ptsd and be stuck in that with no return

I'm thinking about the hallucinations part of schizophrenia, not the psychosis part. I don't think any sane person would want to put themselves in a psychosis.

 

[hopelessgirl]

I dont know why. It sounds bizarre and trippy. I want to experience it. I am mentally sick and fucked up already. So, why not.

Yes with drugs. Too much cocaine and amphetamines. I know someone that happened to.

Or just do some acid you'll have 12 hours of fun

 

[Of The Universe]

I dont know why. It sounds bizarre and trippy. I want to experience it. I am mentally sick and fucked up already. So, why not.

Yes! No!! Yes!!!No!! Uhmm,get it?

 

[clown_17]

Schizophrenia is miserable and not what you're thinking of at all.

If you want a trippy experience just take a shit ton of psychedelics regularity and you'll probably develop hppd which can give you some visuals. Granted you'll be dissociated all the time and will not be as sharp but you don't seem to care about consequences.

Schizophrenia however comes with symptoms such as impaired memory, anhedonia, avoliton, catatonia, and disorganized thoughts. That's not trippy or fun at all. And you can't develop schizophrenia you'd need to be predetermined for it.

 

[lmon]

Schizophrenia is miserable and not what you're thinking of at all.

If you want a trippy experience just take a shit ton of psychedelics regularity and you'll probably develop hppd which can give you some visuals. Granted you'll be dissociated all the time and will not be as sharp but you don't seem to care about consequences.

Schizophrenia however comes with symptoms such as impaired memory, anhedonia, avoliton, catatonia, and disorganized thoughts. That's not trippy or fun at all. And you can't develop schizophrenia you'd need to be predetermined for it.

yep I got hppd after a psychosis from lsd which i was dosed with. Not worth it at all. always wondered why they didnt teach you about hppd in DARE. I hate the term "opening your mind'". it's not opening your mind its changing your brain structure.

 

[clown_17]

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yep I got hppd after a psychosis from lsd which i was dosed with. Not worth it at all. always wondered why they didnt teach you about hppd in DARE. I hate the term "opening your mind'". it's not opening your mind its changing your brain structure.

feel for you. Hppd sounds super unpleasant and it's a reason I don't mess around with psychedelics.

I only mentioned it because op is asking for something painful anyways (schizophrenia) so even though they'd probably wish they didn't have it if they did, I mentioned hppd

 

[win32]

schizophrenia is linked to dopamine dysregulation. while you can't really induce *actual* clinical schizophrenia, it seems that people/animals can get a schizophrenia-like syndrome through psychostimulant sensitization (e.g. repeated microdoses of amphetamine):

Amphetamine Sensitization Alters Reward Processing in the Human Striatum and Amygdala

Dysregulation of mesolimbic dopamine transmission is implicated in a number of psychiatric illnesses characterised by disruption of reward processing and goal-directed behaviour, including schizophrenia, drug addiction and impulse control disorders associated with chronic use of dopamine...

journals.plos.org

Long-lasting psychotomimetic consequences of repeated low-dose amphetamine exposure in rhesus monkeys - PubMed

The dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia posits that dopamine dysregulation plays a key role in the etiology of schizophrenia. In line with this hypothesis, repeated amphetamine (AMPH) exposure has been shown to alter dopamine systems and induce behaviors reminiscent of positive-like and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

of course... you don't want this

 

[Dear Agony]

You shouldn't want to induce any mental illness. 10% of people who suffer from schizophrenia die by suicide. It's probably an unbearable illness.

 

[SweetSpot086]

I'm not going to tell you you don't want it, because I don't know you enough to be your mouthpiece. I will share that I found these experiences extremely dysphoric, but also I did not desire them beforehand. It is possible you may pursue this state and find you regret it once achieved.

Everything felt like a movie or a script - nothing was real, it was all staged. Music I ordinarily liked seemed demonic, satanic. Any art or beauty I came across had a sinister aura about it. I was constantly on edge and berating myself (often aloud) for being slow and stupid - because I truly was operating on a subpar level due to the neurosis. It's almost like symptoms of mental illness impede functioning (/s). Nothing was pure. Everything was tainted with evil. I was paranoid that I would stay that way forever, that people would know how crazy I was and get me sectioned - thus isolated myself completely, or overcompensated when I was around people which probably made them think I was crazy - and beside that, being around people was weird because I was the only one who knew the Truth.

There was nothing good. Existence was unbearably boring. Any entertainment - TV shows, movies, music videos, video games - was like muppets but with a menacing overtone. The entire world shifted down one semitone - transposed into a gloomy horror. There are no words to describe the misery. I alternated between being a hologram and being the only human amongst a holographic world. I thought I was alone and lonely before - ha - this was lonely to the infinitieth power. I was utterly desolate. Nowhere and nothing were safe.

I was sure there was an afterlife, wherein souls lived in the same monochrome nightmare as on earth - only the difference between this earth and the afterlife was that the latter was inescapable due to the lack of physical form and thus mortality. I was miserable every waking moment but suicide was Not an Option due to the fact that I somehow Knew that when my body was dead, my soul would walk from this earth to hell like you walk from your kitchen to your bedroom and suffer for eternity. Sleep was even worse than usual - woke up many times a night, unsettling dreams, taking even longer than usual to fall asleep, waking even more exhausted, tense, and achy - providing an easy gateway to a vicious cycle. I'm quite sure if I had more stress in my life, or taken more drugs at that time / slept less, I would have induced a state of insanity that lasted longer than the two days that it did. Parts of this state return in flashes depending on how stressed / sleep deprived / poorly I'm doing mentally and how many drugs I've taken or am coming down from.

Do with this information what you will.

Some means whereby I've personally experienced such brushes far too close with insanity for my own comfort:
- spice / k2 (synthetic marijuana)
- actual marijuana (high dose / edibles)
- high dose dextromethorphan in conjunction with crack, coke, or amphetamines
- huge amount of alcohol (BAC was probably around 0.2) in conjunction with various OTC pills (that I later learnt in overdose can cause hallucinations and delirium)
- meth, cathinones (forget which ones), alpha-PVP, flakka, PMMA - who the fuck knows what I took (it was sold as ecstasy pills, but I tested it before taking it to find it positive for the aforementioned and negative for mdma)
- sleep deprivation (going to sleep at midnight to 2 or not at all when I had to be at work at 5-6, multiple days in a row)
- stress (shoving everything under the rug and not allowing myself to express it for weeks on end - my usual methods not being all that healthy but better than nothing as I found out)
- acting like I was tweaking / schizophrenic for a day (was feeling very lonely and avoiding aforementioned coping methods by taking a meandering walk in the worse part of my town talking to myself and saying random nonsense to strangers - surprisingly, once I acclimated to hearing my own voice constantly, silence was extremely uncomfortable and I would hum or babble just to mollify my ears even after I had walked back and was trying to be normal again)

And it is possible for high dose lysergic acid diethylamide (and other psychedelics, but LSD is the most notorious for this) to induce temporary and permanent alterations in one's perception of reality. Set and setting are key.

I am sorry you went through all that. I feel for you. I hope you feel better now.

@author same, that was not the intention.

@all others

The question was asked in a state of mania and was not intended to undermine the misery of schizophrenics.

I get self destructive, when I am manic.

It was like, when people wish they get cancer so they die but they dont really mean it. Its a horrible way to die.

I dont wish any illness upon anyone, even myself.

Peace.

Yes! No!! Yes!!!No!! Uhmm,get it?

This reminds me of a key and peele sketch, where peele pretends to have schizophrenia to get marijuana from a doctor ,