Discussion Is CTB really always the easy way out?

[Praestat_Mori]

We all have our own personal problems that make us want to CTB. But is it really always the easiest way out of our problems even if we had a peaceful method at hand?

To me it looks like CTB is the only way out of my personal problems at some points but not necessarily the easiest way. I think I could improve my situation with the support I really need (if I got that support) but it's also not an easy way to go and also this way has a risk of failing again, same like CTB could fail in the worst case. And there's also SI which is harder to defeat when there's still too much hope left.

There are certainly many more factors that make either way easier or harder for each one of us.

 

[befree]

way out: yes
easy: no

 

[Darkover]

in my case i'm just making the best choice for me never intend to harm anyone when living with a brain injury theres really not much left to enjoy in life i'd be better off dead now but if i could repair the damage i would

 

[Cute_&_Loving]

I don't know... Look at Chester and Robin Williams and others? They just went fot it... People kill themselves evevryday.... I feel like it can be a problem in us, if we find it hard to CTB.............. unless a person is physically disabled ofc........... No offence to anyone....

 

[WhyWasIBorn]

Even if my Bipolar depression/crippling anxiety was cured, if I had friends, a partner I loved, or a stable career, life will still find a way to throw curveballs at any random time. I hate having to experience the loss of pets, or close loved ones, turning on the news and seeing the horror each day that's simply commonplace. As long as my brain is alive, I have to experience these things.

It's definitely made harder though by the inability to access reliable and peaceful methods.

 

[John Ryder]

In a sense a premature exit on your terms to escape (thing) is inherently "easier" than staying around and enduring more of (thing). The negative connotations are what need examination. Why is it more "noble" or "brave" to let what ails you to the point of finding death preferable devour you even more until your eventual "natural" or unintentional death? When the religious make that accusation there is at least an internal logic there. God having his reasons and a bigger plan you don't fully understand. But what about the atheist who says the same? Where is the big issue if I'm in pain and not violating the sacred plan of a deity? Am I building "character" by enduring the shitty thing? To what end? A platitude at the funeral or the after gathering at fucking Chili's? "He saw it through!" Bring on the jalapeno poppers! Why the tendency to romanticize avoidable hardship? How many who draw that conclusion are enduring something comparable themselves? How many are chain smoking three packs a day and downing a fifth of bourbon nightly? Suicide is only a problem when it's the express elevator. No one has much of an issue with the scenic route. God that's a lot of question marks

 

[Das Nichts]

Gaslighting yourself is the easy way out. CTB is everything else than easy.

 

[bloodblacknothing]

whatever decision we make -- whether we take the road to recovery, or we CTB -- is valid, and far from "easy".

existence, for me, is spending every waking moment alone and sick to my stomach, drowning in my own thoughts, and it is terrible; Healthcare is abysmal, both in effectiveness and cost, and my only two choices are to sit here and watch every facet of myself fall apart, or bankrupt my family for a chance at fixing my life; anything i could ever want to do or see is beyond my grasp financially, and it's not gonna get any cheaper -- so, in what way is it easy, selfish, or cowardly of me to say "hey, you know what? i'm not happy anymore. i've given all this a fair chance, and it's not for me, so i'm gonna check out."

an existence where suffering is seen as not only necessary, but something to gaslight yourself into appreciating, is not an existence i want to be a part of, and that is completely and totally my decision. any conclusion pro-lifers reach about me, or the way i deal with my suffering, is something that i will happily forego giving any thought to.

 

[CTB Fella]

It's far from easy.

SI sees to that.

 

[アホペンギン]

Ctb is indeed a way out but it is in no means easy. The present society is doing everything it can to deprive us of something that should be an inalienable birthright and banning all somewhat peaceful methods. Someday, we'll only be left with dangerous and unreliable methods, I can guarantee this unless the pro choice mindset is adopted by more and more people.

In addition, it can also be hard for some to ctb because of lack of money. For example, many people don't have access to SN because they can't afford all of the shipping, extra drugs to help with the process of SN poisoning and even the SN itself. They're left with hanging, swb, etc. This is another significant reason as to why ctb is a way out but it isn't as easy as many people think.

 

[Hotsackage]

some people do it for reasons that havent been addressed medically sufficiently, so they may have done it to soon. others could have been incapicitated, and theres nothing medically that can be done, in this instance i dont think acted hastly.

 

[Forever Sleep]

We're dealing with unknowns- so- none of us know. The person may CTB with very little pain and be freed from their difficult life. They may have a horrendous time dying. We don't even know for 100% sure what happens after death- what if hell is real? Alternatively- things may have REALLY picked up in their life had they stayed. Or- they could have just gotten worse and worse. No one really knows which path would have been the 'easy' one. That's a big part of the problem- all the unknowns we have to accept- whatever choice we make.

I just find it a weird slight to use though. How many people go out their way to REALLY challenge themselves in life? How many people live REALLY extraordinary lives? Many people here are suffering with depression and anhedonia. That makes us even less likely to challenge ourselves. We don't see the point and we don't have the energy. Honestly- I probably could just tread water now until a natural death strikes me down. It wouldn't exactly be easy. I suppose I'd spare a few distant relatives the grief of finding out I had topped myself. Still- it probably would require less courage than risking a suicide attempt.

What's so great about fighting adversity anyway? We're clearly not doing it for ourselves! We're just supposed to endure it all for other people I suppose- even if we are on our own?!! Well- one day, there simply won't be close family around for me to need to stick around for.

In a way- I don't really care if people behind think I took the 'easy way out'. I don't really value what they value anymore. If they think they're going to get some prize or sense of achievement for living to a ripe old age- that's up to them. I would feel pissed off if people thought it was selfish though. I've had ideation to varying degrees for 33 years but I've hung on so as not to upset other people. I could have done myself a huge favour by topping myself decades ago. But- at end of the day, no one knows whether it's going to be the easy way out because we don't know our own future.

 

[nood11]

Taking one's own life is not easy. It's actually hard to do with the methods that are available. Using a gun for example is scary, messy, lonely, and loud among other things. It's hard to actually do it. What if I survive? How long will it take to die, and what will that death be like? And the afterlife is a huge unknown if there is one. I wish euthanasia by lethal injection was more readily available worldwide.

 

[FuneralCry]

Calling suicide "easy" is just being ignorant to me, I wish suicide is straightforward but we exist in such an anti-suicide society where we are denied the option to just peacefully escape from all the suffering in a guaranteed way, I don't see anything easy about trying to die in this reality. It's so cruel to me how methods can be complicated, come with risks and are just inaccessible.

 

[CW36]

CTB is dying with a degree of dignity I.e. before dementia. It's on your own terms and it takes real fortitude.

 

[jessisme]

CTB is the HARDEST way but is most often the ONLY way.

I don't know... Look at Chester and Robin Williams and others? They just went fot it... People kill themselves evevryday.... I feel like it can be a problem in us, if we find it hard to CTB.............. unless a person is physically disabled ofc........... No offence to anyone....

It makes me wonder if Robin Williams had previous attempts that we never heard about or if he just got it on the first try.