Discussion Is anyone too young to consider ctb?

[Forever Sleep]

Just curious to see what people think. It's something I personally struggle with. On the one hand, I feel like anyone's life experience is valid- no matter what the age. I first wanted to kill myself when I was 10. As it turns out, it probably would have been the right choice to do it then and there but my methods were bordering laughable.

On the other hand, it's truly horrific to hear of children killing themselves. To think of them being so alone and dealing with such despair to do it is heartbreaking and seems terribly wrong. (I'm not referring to those poor souls suffering with debilitating medical conditions. I mean those suffering bad life experiences.)

I guess there's the reasoning that a child has many more years and many more opportunities for things to get better ahead of them and that perhaps, they don't have the maturity to really understand the big life choices (and there isn't one much bigger than choosing to die).

I guess I'm just wondering whether those of you out there that have been suicidal since childhood- have your ideas changed that much? Do you feel like your first thought of suicide was as 'thought out' as the ones you have now? Just curious really. Sorry- quite a waffling thread

 

[outrider567]

Don't think anyone under 20 should consider suicide seriously unless they are physically disabled--If you're under 20,you can still turn your life around

 

[GoodMourning]

I don't like the idea of children CTB, but I would never say they should be deprived of the option to do so. They may be young but it's still THEIR life. I would, of course, prefer that they try some other things for awhile to see if things could improve (I'd want anyone of any age to try some other solutions first before settling on CTB). But children did NOT get the choice to be here, they should definitely NOT be deprived of the choice to leave here. They deserve to be treated with respect and honor no matter how young they are, IMHO.

 

[FuneralCry]

There is no such thing as being too young for ctb. I believe that we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. Nobody should be forced to suffer against their wishes. Nobody else has any right to say that someone else is too young. We do not know what others are going through and we are not living their lives.

Only the individual can decide. Just because someone is young does not mean that things will always 'improve' and even if there are ways to improve someones situation then it is still up to the individual if they want to leave or not. The thought that someone is too young for ctb is a pro life idea that suggests that life has meaning, purpose and value, which it doesn't. There is no point to living and existence is completely unnecessary. We were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. It is my belief that life should only be lived if that is what the individual wants.

I wish that I left this world when I was much younger. I have wanted to die since I was very young. Staying alive has just meant more suffering. As the years have gone on, I have became more and more suicidal. Of course the best thing would to have been never born at all.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

Nobody is too young to consider, we don't choose which circumstances lead up to such thoughts in life.
I don't believe anybody should suicide until 5 years after full brain development which is 25 years old.
But I can understand why people younger than that still ctb, I don't blame anybody.

 

[keitaro]

i think everyone at every age should have equal access to painless death. each one of us was forced into this pointless existence. to keep someone here against their will is to make them a prisoner.

 

[castler]

Don't think anyone under 20 should consider suicide seriously unless they are physically disabled--If you're under 20,you can still turn your life around

Any1 under 20 shouldn't be that mentally messed up to consider this route - despite bullying and whatnot you shouldn't ctb as a way out. Just like 'Rebecca Sedwick' from Lakeland, FL age 12, she was bullied and jumped. But stuff would have to build way the fuck out of my control too much for me to want it this way.

i think everyone at every age should have equal access to painless death. each one of us was forced into this pointless existence. to keep someone here against their will is to make them a prisoner.

As I was - my parents weren't even married and fooled around which lead to me popping out, but we don't have a say-so as our parents make that decision, and usually it's a good one. only some 'parents' have no biz with kids.

 

[chloramine]

The first time I ever thought about ctb I was 10 as well but it didn't really get to serious levels until I was 11 or 12. Looking back I don't think those feelings were impulsive or less serious or just less than what I experience now. I do see any kind of child suicide as especially tragic, but more as an indicator of them being failed. I don't think they should be killing themselves- but more as a "I don't think they should be in that situation in the first place". It's not their fault or a failure of theirs or something they should have done differently.

 

[Worndown]

While I believe you can be too young in many circumstances, some young people experience unimaginable horrors. Who are we to judge?

 

[HappyForever?]

I'm under 20. Unfortunately, my problem is physical unattractiveness and there's no fixing that, so it probably won't get better. I don't think there is such a thing as too young to CTB. However, young people are more likely to act impulsively, so there should be a safety net.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The mind isn't even fully developed until around 25 years. Personally, I don't think anyone should be considering ctb until they are around 35 or so. You can infer what you will from my statements.

 

[_smile_]

I've wanted to ctb since my early teen years. I think my overall goal and feelings have stayed the same, but my day to day feelings are different. When I was younger, I could want to die one day and wake up the next day wondering how I could ever want to feel that way. I was a lot more susceptible to my environment and what others thought. I was diagnosed with depression back then, so even on a good day, the end goal was always tranquility by means of ctb.

These days, the thoughts and feelings are more steady; less irrational and erratic. I think at this age, my decision will be more thoughtful and calculated.

I don't ever want a child to ctb. It pains me that they were suffering so much. But at the same time, I will always understand their decision.

 

[Euthanza]

To die old is so unfortunate; It is not the good that die young, it's the lucky ones, but of course the best is never had been born at all.

 

[Grav]

It's valid to have the desire to CTB at a young age. I started around 10-11 and while I hadn't "lived enough" looking back from 54 it would have been the right choice. Nothing really changed to the point I would say "glad I stuck around for this". It would have worked except for my inept plan. I've had other chances since then as a minor but I fell into the "just wait until you're (in the next grade, in high school, graduate, etc). I do feel for someone that young looking at CTB as their only option when they should have people helping them. But that's the world we live in and the bs.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm under 20. Unfortunately, my problem is physical unattractiveness and there's no fixing that, so it probably won't get better. I don't think there is such a thing as too young to CTB. However, young people are more likely to act impulsively, so there should be a safety net.

I'm so sorry you feel the way you do. It's sad that this world places so much value in outward appearance. I hope that you can make peace with how you look some day. All the best from a likely equal if not more unattractive person.

Don't think anyone under 20 should consider suicide seriously unless they are physically disabled--If you're under 20,you can still turn your life around

I do appreciate your sentiment and I do see the reason for it- I guess we do have more opportunities open to us when we are young. Still- it can be said that people of all ages can and do change their lives around. Perhaps young folk are more likely to succeed although I guess it really depends on their individual circumstances.

The mind isn't even fully developed until around 25 years. Personally, I don't think anyone should be considering ctb until they are around 35 or so. You can infer what you will from my statements.

I do understand where you're coming from. The argument that a minors choice to ctb isn't entirely sound because they don't have the mental capacity for it may be reasoned. I do see that an undeveloped brain may come to a rash conclusion.

Still- to be considering ctb at such a young age, I would assume that the person has experienced some form of trauma. Guess my argument is- without identification and treatment of that event- how likely is it that their brain will develop 'normally?'

I kind of wonder whether people who experience suicidal ideation from childhood (myself included) get caught up in endless cycles of depressive thinking. So that- while it might have been an extreme, emotional response as a child, now it just seems like a rational, normal way of thinking.

 

[GoodMourning]

only some 'parents' have no biz with kids.

I am going to be a bit of a contrarian and assert the opinion that actually MOST people have no business making children. Creating and maintaining human beings is a MASSIVE responsibility and I believe most people are not up to the task. There are dire consequences to reproducing people, one of them being the possibility of children feeling like they need to CTB in order to escape a reality they never asked to be born into.

If we really do not like the idea of children committing suicide, it's best to focus on creating a world in which children aren't driven to it in the first place (which will be much easier to do if we're not allowing ourselves to reproduce frivolously into oblivion without thought for the consequences of our actions).

We need to take much better care of the people who already exist before feeling justified in adding more people to the mix.

 

[bubo]

Just curious to see what people think. It's something I personally struggle with. On the one hand, I feel like anyone's life experience is valid- no matter what the age. I first wanted to kill myself when I was 10. As it turns out, it probably would have been the right choice to do it then and there but my methods were bordering laughable.

On the other hand, it's truly horrific to hear of children killing themselves. To think of them being so alone and dealing with such despair to do it is heartbreaking and seems terribly wrong. (I'm not referring to those poor souls suffering with debilitating medical conditions. I mean those suffering bad life experiences.)

I guess there's the reasoning that a child has many more years and many more opportunities for things to get better ahead of them and that perhaps, they don't have the maturity to really understand the big life choices (and there isn't one much bigger than choosing to die).

I guess I'm just wondering whether those of you out there that have been suicidal since childhood- have your ideas changed that much? Do you feel like your first thought of suicide was as 'thought out' as the ones you have now? Just curious really. Sorry- quite a waffling thread

Personally, As my opinion from being suicidal from a young-ish age (below 18 at least.) and now being a adult i think that a "age requirement" for CTB is a really conflicting idea. reason being: no one asks to be born, we just are and if you don't want to be born i think anyone and everyone should be able to opt out. Something i feel like that is overlooked is that people think children are dumb, they aren't though at the same time children can't choose for themselves, it's like picking from vanilla to chocolate ice cream in the fact they'll just want both and not be able to pick just one and if a child has a hard time picking between ice cream flavors the idea they can choose whether to kill themselves or not is a completely foolish thought, is it not? That's why it's so conflicting.

(I apologize if i worded this weirdly or wrong, English isn't my first language )

 

[chloramine]

Still- to be considering ctb at such a young age, I would assume that the person has experienced some form of trauma. Guess my argument is- without identification and treatment of that event- how likely is it that their brain will develop 'normally?'

I kind of wonder whether people who experience suicidal ideation from childhood (myself included) get caught up in endless cycles of depressive thinking. So that- while it might have been an extreme, emotional response as a child, now it just seems like a rational, normal way of thinking.

I haven't researched it extensively, but from what I understand trauma while your brain is developing have an impact on how your brain develops and predisposes you. Also I think chronically suicidal people become desensitized to suicide regardless of age, but it would be interesting to know how exactly it differs between ages that it begins at.

 

[Julgran]

Just curious to see what people think. It's something I personally struggle with. On the one hand, I feel like anyone's life experience is valid- no matter what the age. I first wanted to kill myself when I was 10. As it turns out, it probably would have been the right choice to do it then and there but my methods were bordering laughable.

On the other hand, it's truly horrific to hear of children killing themselves. To think of them being so alone and dealing with such despair to do it is heartbreaking and seems terribly wrong. (I'm not referring to those poor souls suffering with debilitating medical conditions. I mean those suffering bad life experiences.)

I guess there's the reasoning that a child has many more years and many more opportunities for things to get better ahead of them and that perhaps, they don't have the maturity to really understand the big life choices (and there isn't one much bigger than choosing to die).

I guess I'm just wondering whether those of you out there that have been suicidal since childhood- have your ideas changed that much? Do you feel like your first thought of suicide was as 'thought out' as the ones you have now? Just curious really. Sorry- quite a waffling thread

Since no one asked to be born, I don't believe that anyone has the right to prevent a suicide attempt - no matter how young or old the person is.

 

[Oogie]

i remember having thoughts of self harm/ suicide before really knowing what they were. i would dangle my legs out of the window and would think that people would only care/take my pain seriously if i died

i remember having thoughts of self harm/ suicide before really knowing what they were. i would dangle my legs out of the window and would think that people would only care/take my pain seriously if i died

from ages 10< i started to really struggle. i think i really struggled with the sense of getting older and become more aware and it always felt like i was detached from my peers and it still does. i would have emotional outbursts which sometimes would include banging my head on the wall and punching myself. mornings i would wake up and be too demotivated to get out of bed. I would've been 11/12 at this point. My mum blamed it on hormones and took me to the doctors and got me blood tests and refused to put it down to anything other than that. Bipolar disorder long reigns in my dads side of the family and my dad is bipolar too. I think she was in denial. I ended up going on the pill when I was 11 to 'stabilise my mood' as my mum strongly argued that it was hormonal.

 

[Zerengin96]

To die old is so unfortunate; It is not the good that die young, it's the lucky ones, but of course the best is never had been born at all.

Schopenhauer?

 

[Euthanza]

Schopenhauer?

Mark Twain + Soe Hok Gie

 

[Forever Sleep]

i remember having thoughts of self harm/ suicide before really knowing what they were. i would dangle my legs out of the window and would think that people would only care/take my pain seriously if i died

from ages 10< i started to really struggle. i think i really struggled with the sense of getting older and become more aware and it always felt like i was detached from my peers and it still does. i would have emotional outbursts which sometimes would include banging my head on the wall and punching myself. mornings i would wake up and be too demotivated to get out of bed. I would've been 11/12 at this point. My mum blamed it on hormones and took me to the doctors and got me blood tests and refused to put it down to anything other than that. Bipolar disorder long reigns in my dads side of the family and my dad is bipolar too. I think she was in denial. I ended up going on the pill when I was 11 to 'stabilise my mood' as my mum strongly argued that it was hormonal.

That sounds horrendous and to be experiencing that at such a young age- very frightening. Yes, I think parents often don't like to admit there could be something seriously wrong. It must be distressing for them but it doesn't do the child any favours surely. I'm so sorry you have suffered so much. I hope you have been able to get better support now?

 

[Oogie]

That sounds horrendous and to be experiencing that at such a young age- very frightening. Yes, I think parents often don't like to admit there could be something seriously wrong. It must be distressing for them but it doesn't do the child any favours surely. I'm so sorry you have suffered so much. I hope you have been able to get better support now?

yeah i have had amazing support and i am grateful for that. when i was 15 i had my first psychosis/manic episode and since diagnosis ive been taken a lot more seriously

 

[Zerengin96]

Its sad when kids under 18 are so screwed by lives circumstances at such an early age that they consider suicide honestly. Adulthood always sucks automatically, but childhood can be nice given the right circumstances.

 

[hellispink]

I started to feel this way when I was 11. My reasons for it kind of have changed. Some of them haven't. I before thought I didn't beling anywhere and that's how I still feel. I also wanted to die because the world was a horrible place and I still agree. However, I feel like I was too young to fully decide and act on the decision. I think it would have been easier to have end everything back then but I don't know if I can call it logical as a lot of things that hurt me back there weren't all bad. A lot of stuff I didn't understood.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

If they're suicidal because of circumstances then they should probably be removed or helped from those circumstances. I'm heavily bias because I've been suicidal since I was 11 or so, or as early as I could realise it as a concept. An early intervention at that age could've saved me from so much. I do find it sad when young people ctb, regardless.

I started to feel this way when I was 11.

Me too, I'm hazarding that there might be an earliest age you can consider and comprehend it, or the vicious bullying from secondary school added to my problems and tipped me to that point. It's really sad for me to think of there being kids below 11 that are thinking of ctb. I know I wasn't happy before 11 I just didn't think of things like jumping in front of cars or off from heights before then.
Reading through all the posts here it looks like 10-12 is a common theme :(

 

[Gaga786]

I'm 19 years old, and I really want to CTB. I remember being 14 years old when I had my first suicide attempt. I was so young at that time, but I know my life could have been changed for the better at the point. Im conflicted as at one stage I do understand the right to CTB at such a young age, when life is extremely deplorable, however, an individuals life can improve despite being so young. There can be a lot of measures that can be taken