Inert Gas Method and Pain?

[TheQ22]

The video with Michael Portillo makes it look perfect, he said it is the ideal method of humane execution and I believe him.

The Dr with the pigs said 15 seconds and you're out, a minute and you're dead, and what you experience is euphoria.

But won't you panic during those 20s ?
I mean, when you breath your body expects oxygen but there isn't any, so won't you get anxious ?

No, it's the build up of CO2 in the body that makes people feel anxious and panic, not a lack of oxygen. Our bodies can't detect inert gases, so you don't realise there's a lack of oxygen and simply pass out.

 

[Bruces]

What is a rebreather mask?

 

[TheQ22]

What is a rebreather mask?

I'm not sure I'm 100% on this but I think it means you re-breath some of the air you exhale, which is not what you want.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I trust @ endergames's authority on this; they have respiratory expertise and they recommend a nonrebreather mask.

I have spent a long time to research and test this method meticulously. In a nutshell the biggest issue in this method is air leakage to the bag or the mask in my experience.
I have no experience with nonrebreather masks but from what I have seen they haven't been built to provide a perfect seal on the face whereas full face diving masks (especially the good brands) are built for this specific purpose.
At the end it's all about testing and feeling comfortable with whatever method you have in mind.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Is there a cheaper way of doing this? I was thinking an exit bag cos it seemed the cheapest option.... but this all looks expensive :(

Please do not forget that the version with the exit bag is almost the original. It has been widely used by euthanasia organizations and works well. It wasn't until later that private users started using a mask because they didn't want to die with a sack over their heads. Personally, I find it more practical with the mask because it can also be done lying down. And honestly hesitates because it's cooler.

Nobody needs a mask, the bag works.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Please do not forget that the version with the exit bag is almost the original. It has been widely used by euthanasia organizations and works well. It wasn't until later that private users started using a mask because they didn't want to die with a sack over their heads. Personally, I find it more practical with the mask because it can also be done lying down. And honestly hesitates because it's cooler.

Nobody needs a mask, the bag works.

100% agree it's very personal. I'm an experienced diver so departing while wearing a mask appeals to me a lot more.

 

[Homecoming]

100% agree it's very personal. I'm an experienced diver so departing while wearing a mask appeals to me a lot more.

I'm planning CTB with inert gas & SN. Which diving mask should I get? And what is the diameter of the hose from gas regulator to the diving mask? Thanks!

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

But won't you panic during those 20s ?
I mean, when you breath your body expects oxygen but there isn't any, so won't you get anxious ?

No, definitely not.

That is exactly the secret of the inert gas method.

The human body has a small construction flaw, it does not notice the lack of oxygen, or only when you are already unconscious.

As long as you can breathe normally, there will be no feelings of suffocation or panic.

The so-called breathing reflex, which causes you to gasp for air when you hold your breath, is caused by an excessively high level of CO2 in the blood.

With normal breathing, you breathe in room air that contains oxygen. In the lungs, the oxygen is taken up by the blood and transported to the cells, where the oxygen is consumed and CO2 is produced.

The CO2 is transported with the blood from the cells to the lungs and exhaled from there.

If you only breathe inert gas, then no more fresh oxygen comes to the cells, but the CO2 is still removed from the body, the CO2 level remains low.

I'm planning CTB with inert gas & SN. Which diving mask should I get? And what is the diameter of the hose from gas regulator to the diving mask? Thanks!

How can I convince you that you do not need an additional SN with inert gas?

With inert gas, you will be dead before the SN can work.

However, you will be passed out so quickly that you have no control over the vomiting and the resulting movements of your body.

The gas supply can be interrupted AND the SN is removed from your body.

Using both methods at the same time does not, in my opinion, increase security, but increases the risk of failure

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

This amount of room air does not matter. You still have some air in your lungs.
The air in the mask is exchanged after the first breath.

@LetzteAusfahrt , @Diver_K_A
I will do a nitrogen scuba mask too. I will rig up a scuba mask (no leaks tested under water already) to a nitrogen tank . So this my method is just like scuba diving but instead of having an oxygen tank i switch the oxygen tank to a nitrogen tank and fool the brain stem. My method is to use it underwater since it is a scuba mask:
1. I hold my breath . 2. I put on the nitrogen scuba mask. 3 I submerge myself under the water still holding my breath

4. once under the water i'll clip on to a chain to weights so that i can't resurface.

5.once i'm locked under water then i breathe in nitrogen under water so i'll be unconscious in 20 seconds . i'll be locked underwater without the capability to resurface. so even if my survival instinct removes the mask then i'll drown anyway . so there is no chance of brain damage and no chance of survival. Do you think it will work?Do you see any thing that might make this fail ?

I was able to obtain several nitrogen tanks from a local welding shop so i'm pumped! They didn't even ask any questions just sold them to me . very nice people. so i have an unlimited nitrogen supply to do testing! This is going to work!

Yeah the pipe that goes to the mouthpiece called stage 2. In the photo that @LetzteAusfahrt attached the mouthpiece is already built-in the full face mask. The other end of the hose has a DIN regulator that goes to the tank (gets attached using an adaptor).
Either way using the full face mask or the mouthpiece when one breathes the gas travels through the regulator to the second stage. Second stage (the mouthpiece) has a one way valve that only allows gas in.

The slovak guy suceeded with a nitrogen suba mask in air though not underwater like my method:

Suicidal nitrogen inhalation by use of scuba full-face diving mask - PubMed

A 29-year-old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort. He had a full-face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial (nondiving) high-pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. The breath...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This guy in India used a nose mask not a scuba nitrogen mask :

Nitrogen gas suicide can trigger more such cases: Experts

The news of a young techie who committed “easy and painless” suicide by inhaling nitrogen gas in Hyderabad has left the Indian health care providers worried. This may lead others suffering from chronic depression and having suicidal thoughts to follow suit, they fear.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I'm planning CTB with inert gas & SN. Which diving mask should I get? And what is the diameter of the hose from gas regulator to the diving mask? Thanks!

Please don't do that it's the worst combination. You end up vomiting and waking up with brain damage

 

[Bauhaus]

The so-called breathing reflex, which causes you to gasp for air when you hold your breath, is caused by an excessively high level of CO2 in the blood.

Thanks LetzteAusfahrt, this is very interesting, I always assumed when you suffocate (whatever the reason) it was because of lack of oxygen, seems I was wrong.
It's now more likely I might consider this method.

 

[bov]

@LetzteAusfahrt , @Diver_K_A
I will do a nitrogen scuba mask too. My method is to use it underwater since it is a scuba mask
1. I hold my breath . 2. I put on the nitrogen scuba mask. 4. I submerge myself under the water still holding my breath 4. once under the water i'll clip on to a chain to weights so that i can't resurface. 5 once i'm locked under water then i breathe in nitrogen under water so i'll be unconscious locked underwater without the capability to resurface. so even if my survival instinct removes the mask then i'll drown anyway . so there is no chance of brain damage and no chance of survival. Do you think it will work?Do you see any thing that might make this fail ?

That sounds extremely elaborate. My impulse for overcoming the si is just to take a few heavy sedatives 20 mins before switching on the gas. @LetzteAusfahrt has discouraged me from that course of action, saying it would amp up the risk of a botched attempt. While he may be right, I suspect most of the skill is required in the setup, which I would do in a state of sobriety. With sedatives, I think switching on the gas might feel like switching on a nightlight.

 

[Greenberg]

@LetzteAusfahrt , @Diver_K_A
I will do a nitrogen scuba mask too. I will rig up a scuba mask (no leaks tested under water already) to a nitrogen tank . So this my method is just like scuba diving but instead of having an oxygen tank i switch the oxygen tank to a nitrogen tank and fool the brain stem. My method is to use it underwater since it is a scuba mask:
1. I hold my breath . 2. I put on the nitrogen scuba mask. 3 I submerge myself under the water still holding my breath

4. once under the water i'll clip on to a chain to weights so that i can't resurface.

5.once i'm locked under water then i breathe in nitrogen under water so i'll be unconscious in 20 seconds . i'll be locked underwater without the capability to resurface. so even if my survival instinct removes the mask then i'll drown anyway . so there is no chance of brain damage and no chance of survival. Do you think it will work?Do you see any thing that might make this fail ?

I was able to obtain several nitrogen tanks from a local welding shop so i'm pumped! They didn't even ask any questions just sold them to me . very nice people. so i have an unlimited nitrogen supply to do testing! This is going to work!

The slovak guy suceeded with a nitrogen suba mask in air though not underwater like my method:

Suicidal nitrogen inhalation by use of scuba full-face diving mask - PubMed

A 29-year-old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort. He had a full-face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial (nondiving) high-pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. The breath...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This guy in India used a nose mask not a scuba nitrogen mask :

Nitrogen gas suicide can trigger more such cases: Experts

The news of a young techie who committed “easy and painless” suicide by inhaling nitrogen gas in Hyderabad has left the Indian health care providers worried. This may lead others suffering from chronic depression and having suicidal thoughts to follow suit, they fear.

www.hindustantimes.com

Well, certainly your method is imaginative if not an overkill. I respect your scuba mask preference but submerging yourself is like kicking a dead horse, or filling your entire home with nitrogen when you locked yourself in your bathroom. The submergence is absolutely unnecessary but will undoubtedly leave an indelible mark with the medical examiner, as to what you were smoking. Lol

 

[Deleted-User-0]

@LetzteAusfahrt , @Diver_K_A
I will do a nitrogen scuba mask too. I will rig up a scuba mask (no leaks tested under water already) to a nitrogen tank . So this my method is just like scuba diving but instead of having an oxygen tank i switch the oxygen tank to a nitrogen tank and fool the brain stem. My method is to use it underwater since it is a scuba mask:
1. I hold my breath . 2. I put on the nitrogen scuba mask. 3 I submerge myself under the water still holding my breath

4. once under the water i'll clip on to a chain to weights so that i can't resurface.

5.once i'm locked under water then i breathe in nitrogen under water so i'll be unconscious in 20 seconds . i'll be locked underwater without the capability to resurface. so even if my survival instinct removes the mask then i'll drown anyway . so there is no chance of brain damage and no chance of survival. Do you think it will work?Do you see any thing that might make this fail ?

I was able to obtain several nitrogen tanks from a local welding shop so i'm pumped! They didn't even ask any questions just sold them to me . very nice people. so i have an unlimited nitrogen supply to do testing! This is going to work!

The slovak guy suceeded with a nitrogen suba mask in air though not underwater like my method:

Suicidal nitrogen inhalation by use of scuba full-face diving mask - PubMed

A 29-year-old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort. He had a full-face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial (nondiving) high-pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. The breath...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This guy in India used a nose mask not a scuba nitrogen mask :

Nitrogen gas suicide can trigger more such cases: Experts

The news of a young techie who committed “easy and painless” suicide by inhaling nitrogen gas in Hyderabad has left the Indian health care providers worried. This may lead others suffering from chronic depression and having suicidal thoughts to follow suit, they fear.

www.hindustantimes.com

Honestly your sequence of events under the water is very tricky. I'm an experienced diver it's hard for me to imagine what you described under the water. It is extremely difficult to do that kind of things in reality.
Are you going to wear a BCD or just hold the weights in your hand? Without a BCD holding the weights you will immediately sink to the bottom and your SI will massively kick in you will desperately trying to get back to the surface as you are still conscious and it's almost impractical.
I would just say no to the whole thing.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Honestly your sequence of events under the water is very tricky. I'm an experienced diver it's hard for me to imagine what you described under the water. It is extremely difficult to do that kind of things in reality.
Are you going to wear a BCD or just hold the weights in your hand? Without a BCD holding the weights you will immediately sink to the bottom and your SI will massively kick in you will desperately trying to get back to the surface as you are still conscious and it's almost impractical.
I would just say no to the whole thing.

plan b:
1. I'll wear enough weights so that i can't swim up and i'll sink(how many Kilograms?) . 2. i then hold my breath. 3. Then put on my nitrogen scuba mask 4. then i'll slide off the boat into the ocean. I'll make sure it's around 10 meters depth first. I'll have a long nitrogen gas line to the mask. or strap my nitrogen tank on like a scuba tank(will the tank be ok under water?)
@Diver_K_A i appreciate all the help . thanks this is helping me. i was afraid to ask anyone because my method seems so weird. but seeing you are a professional diver i couldn't resist asking you. I had no one to ask

 

[Deleted-User-0]

plan b:
I'll wear enough weights so that i can't swim up and i'll sink(how many Kilograms?) . then hold breath. Then put on my nitrogen scuba mask then i'll slide off the boat into the ocean. I'll make sure it's around 10 meters depth first. I'll have a long nitrogen gas line to the mask. or strap my nitrogen tank on like a scuba tank(will the tank be ok under water?)
i appreciate all the help. i was afraid to ask anyone because my method seems so weird. but seeing you are a diver i couldn't resist asking you.

Dude you are on a suicide discussion platform nothing is/could be weird here :)
I need to know what are you trying to achieve first? Do you want not to be found? If so the line will be still attached to tank on the boat and will mark your place anyway. Also not sure the tank's pressure would be sufficient for the gas to travel such a distance the length of the line would deficiently impact the gas flow and the velocity up to an extent but I'm not sure to what extent.
Or is it an insurance to make sure you won't survive the attempt?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Dude you are on a suicide discussion platform nothing is/could be weird here :)
I need to know what are you trying to achieve first? Do you want not to be found? If so the line will be still attached to tank on the boat and will mark your place anyway. Also not sure the tank's pressure would be sufficient for the gas to travel such a distance the length of the line would deficiently impact the gas flow and the velocity up to an extent but I'm not sure to what extent.
Or is it an insurance to make sure you won't survive the attempt?

Thanks for all the expert help since you are a professional diver you know all about diving etc.. this is helping me see how this would actually be. I just want to make sure i don't survive .And also secondarily i don't want to be found i would love to sink deep down into the ocean. I also wanted to do a freedving blackout first. i want to go on a boat so that no one interferes . I had no one to ask . Maybe better if i can PM you for questions?

 

[bov]

If it's about optics... I, too, have a question about optics: just how messed up does the body appear when found? The skin of the 29 year old man in the scuba mask looked pretty messed up and blotchy: is that what I should expect?

I wish there were a way to submit a request to the authorities that a certain person NOT be called on to identify my body regardless of how disturbing it looks.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Thanks for all the expert help. this is helping me see how this would actually be. I just want to make sure i don't survive .And also secondarily i don't want to be found i would love to sink deep down into the ocean. I also wanted to do a freedving blackout first. i want to go on a boat so that no one interferes . Maybe better if i can PM you for questions?

Yeah feel free

 

[TheQ22]

If it's about optics... I, too, have a question about optics: just how messed up does the body appear when found? The skin of the 29 year old man in the scuba mask looked pretty messed up and blotchy: is that what I should expect?

I wish there were a way to submit a request to the authorities that a certain person NOT be called on to identify my body regardless of how disturbing it looks.

I think it depends how long before you're found. Nitrogen death is supposedly hard to detect (if the tank etc were removed from the scene), apart from some small burst blood vessels on the skin.

 

[bov]

idk, this guy's arms look pretty fucked up!

 

[TheQ22]

idk, this guy's arms look pretty fucked up! View attachment 43577

1) you don't know how long he's been there
2) he might have had a skin condition / illness that means he already looked like that, like psoriasis
3) you don't know what gas he used
4) what does it matter? Blotchy skin is hardly an issue when you're dead.

 

[bov]

1) you don't know how long he's been there
2) he might have had a skin condition / illness that means he already looked like that, like psoriasis
3) you don't know what gas he used
4) what does it matter? Blotchy skin is hardly an issue when you're dead.

fair fair fair; re: 4) I want to minimize trauma for the people I leave behind to the extent that I can. Aside from the painlessness, one of the appeals of the inert gas method is that it (supposedly) doesn't leave quite as much of a horror show behind as certain other methods.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

@LetzteAusfahrt , @Diver_K_A
I will do a nitrogen scuba mask too. I will rig up a scuba mask (no leaks tested under water already) to a nitrogen tank . So this my method is just like scuba diving but instead of having an oxygen tank i switch the oxygen tank to a nitrogen tank and fool the brain stem. My method is to use it underwater since it is a scuba mask:
1. I hold my breath . 2. I put on the nitrogen scuba mask. 3 I submerge myself under the water still holding my breath

4. once under the water i'll clip on to a chain to weights so that i can't resurface.

5.once i'm locked under water then i breathe in nitrogen under water so i'll be unconscious in 20 seconds . i'll be locked underwater without the capability to resurface. so even if my survival instinct removes the mask then i'll drown anyway . so there is no chance of brain damage and no chance of survival. Do you think it will work?Do you see any thing that might make this fail ?

I was able to obtain several nitrogen tanks from a local welding shop so i'm pumped! They didn't even ask any questions just sold them to me . very nice people. so i have an unlimited nitrogen supply to do testing! This is going to work!

The slovak guy suceeded with a nitrogen suba mask in air though not underwater like my method:

Suicidal nitrogen inhalation by use of scuba full-face diving mask - PubMed

A 29-year-old man was found dead lying on the bed in a hotel room in a famous Slovak mountain resort. He had a full-face diving mask on his face, connected through a diving breath regulator to a valve of an industrial (nondiving) high-pressure tank containing pure 100% nitrogen. The breath...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This guy in India used a nose mask not a scuba nitrogen mask :

Nitrogen gas suicide can trigger more such cases: Experts

The news of a young techie who committed “easy and painless” suicide by inhaling nitrogen gas in Hyderabad has left the Indian health care providers worried. This may lead others suffering from chronic depression and having suicidal thoughts to follow suit, they fear.

www.hindustantimes.com

Cool, I love innovative ctb variants. Thanks for that.
Your method will definitely work, but in my opinion it is a bit too time-consuming and not absolutely necessary.

The SI of the body is hardly skilled enough to pull off a permanently attached diving mask from the face when the brain is already damaged. In the stupidest case, you just wake up with a headache and have to try again.

Nevertheless, your method is of course even safer.

The only thing that bothers me is stop breathing, because this is exactly what causes the CO2 level to rise, which may make the 20 seconds a little more exhausting.

But it will definitely be a 100% guaranteed successful ctb.

I already congratulate you.

 

[bov]

"condition" meaning death by hypoxia? when you assisted, did your person look like that?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Cool, I love innovative ctb variants. Thanks for that.
Your method will definitely work, but in my opinion it is a bit too time-consuming and not absolutely necessary.

The SI of the body is hardly skilled enough to pull off a permanently attached diving mask from the face when the brain is already damaged. In the stupidest case, you just wake up with a headache and have to try again.

Nevertheless, your method is of course even safer.

The only thing that bothers me is stop breathing, because this is exactly what causes the CO2 level to rise, which may make the 20 seconds a little more exhausting.

But it will definitely be a 100% guaranteed successful ctb.

I already congratulate you.

What do you think you will look like?

His arms look normal for his condition

Thanks @LetzteAusfahrt .
I'm still marvelling at your invention here how you managed to connect a nitrogen tank to a scuba mask.And you are also communicating expertly in English even though you are using Google Translate. You are a genius!.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/img_20200827_202700_3-jpg.43119/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-method-and-pain.46853/#post-847343

You @LetzteAusfahrt and @Diver_K_A are really great guys. I hope you 2 don't ctb soon. I would love to talk to both of you again. This is one of the few reasons for me not to ctb yet to meet such intelligent and great individuals like the both of you.

 

[bov]

I'm pretty set on the nonrebreather mask, but I haven't yet tested one to see if it'll fit my face. If the fit isn't perfect, are there any adjustments I can make? I'm told A) increasing the L/m to push out any intruding oxygen won't work because it'll be too tough on the lungs and B) duct tape won't work because.. "did you *really* think duct tape would work??"

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

"condition" meaning death by hypoxia? when you assisted, did your person look like that?

I mean primarily that he's dead. Every corpse begins to discolor after a few hours dead.

Thanks @LetzteAusfahrt .
I'm still marvelling at your invention here how you managed to connect a nitrogen tank to a scuba mask.And you are also communicating expertly in English even though you are using Google Translate. You are a genius!.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/attachments/img_20200827_202700_3-jpg.43119/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-method-and-pain.46853/#post-847343

You @LetzteAusfahrt and @Diver_K_A are really great guys. I hope you 2 don't ctb soon. I would love to talk to both of you again. This is one of the few reasons for me not to ctb yet to meet such intelligent and great individuals like the both of you.

Thank you thank you thank you. Too much honor and loving words.

To connect the nitrogen tank to the diving mask, all you need is a hose and a suitable adapter, if necessary.

But since not every system is the same, I have purposely not given any details here. You should understand your system, not just copy it.

By the way, my bus leaves on September 27th, I'll take the SN route.

 

[TheQ22]

I mean primarily that he's dead. Every corpse begins to discolor after a few hours dead.



Thank you thank you thank you. Too much honor and loving words.

To connect the nitrogen tank to the diving mask, all you need is a hose and a suitable adapter, if necessary.

But since not every system is the same, I have purposely not given any details here. You should understand your system, not just copy it.

By the way, my bus leaves on September 27th, I'll take the SN route.

I'm surprised, I thought you'd created your mask to use inert gas?

 

[bov]

I'm surprised, I thought you'd created your mask to use inert gas?

@LetzteAusfahrt I'm surprised as well! Please walk us through your reasoning.