Inert Gas Method and Pain?

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Is there anyone who sells just the bags premade? I am not only not handy, but I have half a thumb - and I'm making a mess out of my bag. I think I'll be fine on the other end of the tube with the hook ups. I'm just having a hard time making the bag and don't want to mess it up.

You can also use any plastic sack that already has built-in tape to tie it together.

You can also tie the string together over the bag after you've put it on. Or with an adhesive tape.

The string only serves to fasten the bag to something. Not to close the opening tightly

 

[rancho]

You can also use any plastic sack that already has built-in tape to tie it together.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SEEN THOSE

You can also tie the string together over the bag after you've put it on. Or with an adhesive tape.

DON'T YOU ONLY HAVE A MATTER OF SECONDS TO DO THAT?

The string only serves to fasten the bag to something. Not to close the opening tightly

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

is this all you need a divers mask and a bottle of inert gas?

Basically yes, but there are different types of masks, so I can't just answer your question for you.

The system must, however, be constructed in such a way that under no circumstances can room air be breathed. Just a little bit of air is enough and it won't work

 

[TheQ22]

What kind of mask is suitable? And what kind of regulator do you need? And what should the gas flow be set to?

Thanks. It seems the most peaceful method.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Letzte, what cylinder size do you have for your setup? In your photo, it looked very small.

It's a 5 liter bottle.

This is the minimum amount for an exit bag if the flow is set correctly.

With my system that's enough for several times ctb because I use a diving mask with a regulator. This means that a constant gas flow is not necessary. Just as much gas is used as you inhale while you are still breathing.

 

[Aap]

Basically just explain what the regulator does. I've seen posts asking about hooking the gas flow into a sealed system, which can create severe lung injury.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

@rancho
It takes about 20 seconds for you to pass out.

If you prepare an adhesive tape on the bag or sack beforehand, then you can still attach the adhesive tape correctly.

Just practice this step beforehand so that you can do it safely in peace and quiet without being hectic

Basically just explain what the regulator does. I've seen posts asking about hooking the gas flow into a sealed system, which can create severe lung injury.

@TheQ22
@Meditation guide
I now understand what you mean.

I'm sorry, but I'm writing here with Google Translate, which means that my explanations were incorrect.

Please read the following article before I explain again.

Diving regulator - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

My system consists of a gas cylinder with a directly connected pressure regulator, hose and a full face diving mask with an integrated demand valve

 

[Greenberg]

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I will create a thread on this topic

I used it to assist suicide this week. So I was there

For your setup in your photo, would the integrated regulator mask cost over $1000? Beautiful and compact system nonetheless!!

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

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I will create a thread on this topic

I used it to assist suicide this week. So I was there

Your nitrogen mask invention looks amazing @LetzteAusfahrt

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

For your setup in your photo, would the integrated regulator mask cost over $1000? Beautiful and compact system nonetheless!!

It is a beginner's level mask and costs around € 450

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Of course, I only breathed inert gas until I passed out. Then normal air again.
That is absolutely no problem

Is this perfectly safe? Or are there risks?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Is this perfectly safe? Or are there risks?

Only death is certain.

During this test, I do not bring any additional substance into my body. I'm just preventing my body from taking in the oxygen it needs.

A healthy person can go longer without an oxygen supply without being harmed.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Wow, if this can all be gotten under or around the cost of N, I am definitely considering it! Even just reading about it seems so comforting.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Wow, if this can all be gotten under or around the cost of N, I am definitely considering it! Even just reading about it seems so comforting.

It doesn't have to be an expensive mask with a demand valve. That is actually pure luxury.

The system also works with a mask and continuous gas flow, like an exit bag. But it has the great advantage of a more stable construction and better fastening when the body starts to cramp because of the lack of oxygen. This is normal, but different for each person and cannot be planned.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

I have seen a video of a hog being killed in a small room full of nitrogen.

That's awful. Why did somebody kill it and film it?

 

[OnlyTheWind]

It doesn't have to be an expensive mask with a demand valve. That is actually pure luxury.

The system also works with a mask and continuous gas flow, like an exit bag. But it has the great advantage of a more stable construction and better fastening when the body starts to cramp because of the lack of oxygen. This is normal, but different for each person and cannot be planned.

Sounds good. In the end, I guess all I'm after is a reliable procedure, and this sounds like it. Looking forward to your thread :)

 

[rancho]

It doesn't have to be an expensive mask with a demand valve. That is actually pure luxury.

The system also works with a mask and continuous gas flow, like an exit bag. But it has the great advantage of a more stable construction and better fastening when the body starts to cramp because of the lack of oxygen. This is normal, but different for each person and cannot be planned.

Can the body twitch etc. and ruin the whole thing, leaving you with brain damage?

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Adapter for connecting the tank to the 1st stage of the diving regulator is also needed.
For safety reasons, oxygen tanks have different threads than nitrogen or helium tanks. So you don't accidentally connect a diving regulator to a gas tank. Abroad they have a somewhat more relaxed view of this and so you can buy appropriate adapters that allow you to connect the gas tank to the regulator.
Before you order the adapter, you have to decide for helium or nitrogen because the tanks have different threads and therefore require different adapters.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Can the body twitch etc. and ruin the whole thing, leaving you with brain damage?

Theoretically possible, but there is always a risk with almost every method.

When the body is struggling, it can come to the face with the arms or hands even when unconscious. An exit bag is fragile and could potentially be damaged. A very tight mask hardly.

 

[Meditation guide]

better fastening when the body starts to cramp because of the lack of oxygen.

Would you first turn on the gas, then put the mask on? Otherwise it seems the mask will have room air in it if you put it on first.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Would you first turn on the gas, then put the mask on? Otherwise it seems the mask will have room air in it if you put it on first.

This amount of room air does not matter. You still have some air in your lungs.
The air in the mask is exchanged after the first breath.

 

[UterEntonaur]

It is a beginner's level mask and costs around € 450

Is there a cheaper way of doing this? I was thinking an exit bag cos it seemed the cheapest option.... but this all looks expensive :(

 

[TheQ22]

Is there a cheaper way of doing this? I was thinking an exit bag cos it seemed the cheapest option.... but this all looks expensive :(

I think most people use a bag.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I was very sceptical about the masks but this looked very robust so I have nothing against it I'm switching from bag to diving mask as well. It's very ironic I'm a deep diver and will have a diving mask on my face oh well ...

 

[TheQ22]

So you need a mask and some kind of adapter for the tank to the mask? And some kind of tubing? What about a regulator? Maybe a parts list would be helpful I'm confused I'm sure many others will be too.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

So you need a mask and some kind of adapter for the tank to the mask? And some kind of tubing? What about a regulator? Maybe a parts list would be helpful I'm confused I'm sure many others will be too.

This is slightly different. Previous phot showed a mask with an in-built regulator but this pdf shows a separate regulator attached to a full face mask.
I should say this is slightly complicated and a bit pricy. You have get all separate bits and pieces and put together.

 

[TheQ22]

This is slightly different. Previous phot showed a mask with an in-built regulator but this pdf shows a separate regulator attached to a full face mask.
I should say this is slightly complicated and a bit pricy. You have get all separate bits and pieces and put together.

That's brilliant thanks - so with that pdf you have a mouthpiece, so you breath in through the mouth?

 

[Bauhaus]

You don't need anesthesia, you don't feel anything with inert gas.

Absolutely nothing.

You will pass out in about 20-30 seconds with no prior symptoms. I have personal experience with it and have done it myself several times.

But won't you panic during those 20s ?
I mean, when you breath your body expects oxygen but there isn't any, so won't you get anxious ?

 

[Deleted-User-0]

That's brilliant thanks - so with that pdf you have a mouthpiece, so you breath in through the mouth?

Yeah the pipe that goes to the mouthpiece called stage 2. In the photo that @LetzteAusfahrt attached the mouthpiece is already built-in the full face mask. The other end of the hose has a DIN regulator that goes to the tank (gets attached using an adaptor).
Either way using the full face mask or the mouthpiece when one breathes the gas travels through the regulator to the second stage. Second stage (the mouthpiece) has a one way valve that only allows gas in.

 

[bov]

I was very sceptical about the masks but this looked very robust so I have nothing against it I'm switching from bag to diving mask as well. It's very ironic I'm a deep diver and will have a diving mask on my face oh well ...

I trust @ endergames's authority on this; they have respiratory expertise and they recommend a nonrebreather mask.