Inert Gas Method and Pain?

[bov]

I know whole airplanes full of people have lost oxygen and reported no pain or discomfort afterwards, but they hadn't made it to the stage where the organs start shutting down. My understanding is that above all, the body protects the central nervous system. That would be the last thing to go. Being a NERVOUS system, wouldn't that suggest pain?

I plan on popping as many morphine pills as I can beforehand but there's a big difference between lack of consciousness and lack of sensation, right?

Something about the PPhb and Exit International folks.. they make it sound too easy.

Does anyone else feel that way?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

You don't need anesthesia, you don't feel anything with inert gas.

Absolutely nothing.

You will pass out in about 20-30 seconds with no prior symptoms. I have personal experience with it and have done it myself several times.

 

[rancho]

I have personal experience with it and have done it myself several times.

And, you're still alive?

 

[bov]

but surely you never made it so far that your organs began shutting down?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Of course, I only breathed inert gas until I passed out. Then normal air again.
That is absolutely no problem

 

[rancho]

Of course, I only breathed inert gas until I passed out. Then normal air again.
That is absolutely no problem

How were you able to switch it after you passed out?

 

[bov]

I just feel like 6-7 minutes in you're going to start feeling your organs shutting down. the body or the nervous system before all other systems so we can detect malfunction like this, right?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

The first organ to fail with this method is the brain. After 3-4 minutes of breathing inert gas, the damage to the brain is irreparable.
So you are brain dead before anything else in your body is damaged

How were you able to switch it after you passed out?

I used a diving mask, not a bag.
The mask is only pressed against the face by hand, not buckled.
This causes the mask to fall off when I pass out

 

[rancho]

The first organ to fail with this method is the brain. After 3-4 minutes of breathing inert gas, the damage to the brain is irreparable.
So you are brain dead before anything else in your body is damaged

I used a diving mask, not a bag.
The mask is only pressed against the face by hand, not buckled.
This causes the mask to fall off when I pass out

So, is this your way of testing things out? Could you spell out what should be tested?

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't think that protection of the nervous system is a priority over any other organ system as such, but we have certainly evolved plenty of measures in order to keep it from harm. It may not be the last system to stop functioning, for example, all nerve cells may die, but cells in other systems may still continue to operate for some time afterwards, if they don't vitally depend on input from neurons. I would say however, that the nervous system is the system which most strongly defines our lives, because it is the one which enables experience itself.

There is a difference between consciousness and sensation. Consciousness may be defined as your experience, while sensation may be defined as the feelings of pain and pleasure. You may lose all sensation yet remain conscious, but you need consciousness in order to experience sensation.

I haven't thoroughly read the PPH and have only investigated Exit's recommendations a small amount. My impression was that there is certainly room for more information, more discussion about the details. Personally I would never describe any suicide method as "easy", and I do agree that they need to express the risks and potential points of failure more emphatically.

I am personally convinced that inert gas asphyxiation is painless because I have never read anything to the contrary. But I acknowledge that this isn't robust enough proof, it won't be enough to convince many people and rightfully so. Also, I do think there needs to be some kind of authority, a trustworthy point of reference that people can rely on in order to be confident in their method, and how much pain they can expect. I use Wikipedia for the most part, but it fails to touch on many crucial issues, namely the pain level experienced for any given method of suicide.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

I will create a thread on this topic

I used it to assist suicide this week. So I was there

 

[Aap]

When you do, please ensure everyone knows the difference between a commercial diving regulator and a generic "mask"

 

[TheQ22]

Letzte - i used to work for a Swiss company based in Geneva, right next door to the Rolex factory. Beautiful country.

 

[bov]

Ugh, every vendor seems to sell only regulator/flowmeters that measure in PSI, and require you to enter a code proving you work for a company. Any tips?

 

[Bruces]

How many litres are required to make sure

 

[Greenberg]

How many litres are required to make sure

20 cubic feet should be ample.

 

[rancho]

Is there anyone who sells just the bags premade? I am not only not handy, but I have half a thumb - and I'm making a mess out of my bag. I think I'll be fine on the other end of the tube with the hook ups. I'm just having a hard time making the bag and don't want to mess it up.

 

[Incorrigible77777]

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I will create a thread on this topic

I used it to assist suicide this week. So I was there

Look forward to the thread

 

[bov]

I second rancho's request. There's just no chance I'd be able to make a bag that doesn't let oxygen in through the hole the Nitrogen tube will enter. Or it'll just be way too lose around my skinny neck.

If I opt for the bag instead of the Scuba mask or Nonrebreather, I'd need an expert, like Sharlotte Hydorn.

The opening of the turkey bags I bought is way too big. I can pull the drawstring of a pair of XXL pants as tight as I want and they'll still fall down, you know? Plus, the plastic is so thin.

I'm considering cutting a hole out of a children's shower cap and duct taping that cap to a different, thicker kind of plastic. To form a kind of hot air balloon shape, that's tight around my neck.

 

[rancho]

like Sharlotte Hydorn.

Just read who she was. That's what I'm looking for - to be able to buy just what she was selling.

 

[Bruces]

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is this all you need a divers mask and a bottle of inert gas?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

So, is this your way of testing things out? Could you spell out what should be tested?

This is not my way of testing things.

But I had to know if the system worked with this mask. I had to try out how to set the breathing resistance so that breathing was comfortable

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

When you do, please ensure everyone knows the difference between a commercial diving regulator and a generic "mask"

I will do it, but what exactly do you mean by a "generic" mask

 

[Greenberg]

I will do it, but what exactly do you mean by a "generic" mask

I also wondered the same...

 

[TheQ22]

I will do it, but what exactly do you mean by a "generic" mask

I guess they're meaning a re-breather where it allows air in, like other forms of mask?

As you'll guess I'm no expert.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Letzte - i used to work for a Swiss company based in Geneva, right next door to the Rolex factory. Beautiful country.

I'm glad you enjoyed it in Switzerland.

Geneva is a beautiful city, but also incredibly expensive

 

[Greenberg]

I'm glad you enjoyed it in Switzerland.

Geneva is a beautiful city, but also incredibly expensive

Letzte, what cylinder size do you have for your setup? In your photo, it looked very small.

 

[TheQ22]

I'm glad you enjoyed it in Switzerland.

Geneva is a beautiful city, but also incredibly expensive

LoL you're not kidding, all of my colleagues who worked there lived over the border in France.

Also amazed me how everything was covered in graffiti.

The old part of Geneva is awesome, I remember eating in some cafe with a sign on the wall about how Bill Clinton had eaten there. It was the first place the kids went abroad to, I got to take them when I had a course to go on.

Got some lovely photos, happy memories.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

@rancho
I second rancho's request. There's just no chance I'd be able to make a bag that doesn't let oxygen in through the hole the Nitrogen tube will enter. Or it'll just be way too lose around my skinny neck.

If I opt for the bag instead of the Scuba mask or Nonrebreather, I'd need an expert, like Sharlotte Hydorn.

The opening of the turkey bags I bought is way too big. I can pull the drawstring of a pair of XXL pants as tight as I want and they'll still fall down, you know? Plus, the plastic is so thin.

I'm considering cutting a hole out of a children's shower cap and duct taping that cap to a different, thicker kind of plastic. To form a kind of hot air balloon shape, that's tight around my neck.

You don't understand the method propery.

If you continuously feed gas into the pot with the hose, then the bag MUST be open at the bottom.
If only because the exhaled CO2 has to be transported out of the bag.

You must not close the hole that is created by the tube that is inserted.

It is best to glue the hose in the bag so that the gas flows out at the top point.

You can also use any plastic sack that already has built-in tape to tie it together.

You can also tie the string together over the bag after you've put it on. Or with an adhesive tape.

The string only serves to fasten the bag to something. Not to close the opening tightly

 

[Meditation guide]

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It looks so simple. It looks like the mask is directly attached without a regulator? May I ask what type of gas you tried? Does the exhaled gas leave the mask, and if so how does it do this?